You should read again carefully and try some objectivity. The comparison was hardware, not the success of the device.
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You should read again carefully and try some objectivity. The comparison was hardware, not the success of the device.
Yes, granted, but had the hardware been any good, it would not have flopped quite so much. Hardware & success are still connected. I used the Pre, and the keyboard was diabolically bad, and feels cheap and plasticky to boot.
I'm just talking about specs like processor, RAM, etc. The initial point that I was replying to was a poster than said the iPhone didn't update their hardware to be similar in specs to the rest of the competition. The Pre, which at the time was considered by tech pundits as their main competition, pretty much had the same specs.
Unlike others, I don't see the need for the OLED screens as I've seen Nokia OLED's in the sunlight and am unimpressed. Someone previously said that the N1's screen is just a little darker but that is enough to make it unenjoyable. I'd settle for just a higher resolution
What amuses me about the likes of the Droid etc, is what they lack in brains (OS, simplicity etc) they try to whitewash over in brawn (high MP cameras, flash, 1Ghz CPU, high-res screens). It doesn't matter what car you drive, if the engine doesn't work properly.
No fuss, does it's job, very beautiful, like this:
No fuss, does it's job, very beautiful, like this:
Most of what he said it' s not fanboyism: it's matter of fact.
At this time the whole experience of using Nexus One it's not comparable with iPhone. In the future ... I don't know
How can people say Android is hard to use? I think it has a great UI, it's as easy to use as an iPhone and has multitasking, albeit a bit basic. Android excels with the widget system, easy access to programs, bookmarks, settings (Bluetooth on/off, Wifi on/of) where as you have to go through the menu system on the iPhone. The iPhone trounces Android with the App Store as well as iTunes where you can easily sync everything from. Android is all drag and drop which I find tiresome.
They each have strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately, right now, Android has many more weaknesses. I am speaking from personal experience, after having used four different Android handsets.
I wouldn't say Android is hard, just messy and fiddly. The WiFi app often needs a kick up the backside to connect to my WPA network, I often get "application not responding" alerts, multitouch is fragmented across apps - some have it, some don't. Not hard, just a mess - a fine example of "too many cooks, spoil the broth" I'm afraid.
So I'm confused. You keep singing the praises of the iPhone. Yet you mention all these other Android phones you have owned or used and even threw a Pre in there now. So then the real question becomes, if you are so happy with the iPhone platform, why all the other phones?
Would you prefer that I give strong criticism of products and OS' I have never even used or tried, like many other people on this forum?. No, I am not so foolish, and I'd likely get panned for that too!. Regardless, iPhone still wins, no matter what you say, imho. You make the assumption that I am only allowed to use one handset in my life - for all you know, I could be a reviewer on any number of tech websites - this is just plain ignorance you exhibit - I am only expressing my opinion, is that so hard to grasp?.
iPad anyone?
Seriously though glossy, your full of it
And of course you know the iPad is all hype, because you've actually used one I'm sure, right?. Apple have developed a product which none of us are yet qualified to criticise properly, having not even used, let alone OWNED one, and yet people talk about it as if they've had one for years... and you deride me for biased opinions, when mine are based upon ownership and daily usage of said handsets?. Wonderful!.
Seriously jimmer-uk, you would never know, as you don't know me
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And of course you know the iPad is all hype, because you've actually used one I'm sure, right?. Apple have developed a product which none of us are yet qualified to criticise properly, having not even used, let alone OWNED one, and yet people talk about it as if they've had one for years... and you deride me for biased opinions, when mine are based upon ownership and daily usage of said handsets?. Wonderful!.
Seriously jimmer-uk, you would never know, as you don't know me
So you have been presumptive in thinking I have never used or seen such device hey? Wonderful
for all you know, I could be a reviewer on any number of tech websites - this is just plain ignorance you exhibit - you may like to ask
Really?... great, then I'm a fanboy then (according to one person who is a total stranger, and who's opinion is worthless to me).
Aside from your clearly pointless and nonsensical comment, you may wish to provide further reasoning to this "argument" that me saying I have faith in Apple, makes me a fanboy. I am sure many people on MR and many, many more outside of it, have faith in Apple, so I would put it to you that you should seek them out and brand them as "fanboys" also, hmm?. Why are Apple events the centre of such excitement and sheer anticipation, time after time, for many years, if they were reputed to be a company who fail to deliver?. Were you just bored, and wanted an equally childish reaction?. I have faith in Apple because they, on the whole, look after their customers - a trait that is absolutely lacking in most modern, multi billion dollar corporations. Okay, so there are instances of this not being the case, and things going wrong - what do you expect, absolute perfection 100% of the time, from every single Apple employee and department?. I may hasten to remind you that we are all humans, and there are bad Apples (groan) on every tree (employees) - your comment in no way offends me, it just reinforces my view that comments like yours, reflect sheer arrogance and attempted insults, through ignorance and the failure to process thoughts, before committing them to text.
So you have been presumptive in thinking I have never used or seen such device hey? Wonderful
for all you know, I could be a reviewer on any number of tech websites - this is just plain ignorance you exhibit - you may like to ask
"Such device" would infer the type of device - a tablet, not the iPad, and I can pretty much guarantee 110% that you will not have owned one of these, OR have been sent one to review. I may be wrong, in which case please post a "leaked" video of you using one... thought not. You may have held, and briefly used one @ the Apple event, but even so, this would constitute a brief and inconclusive encounter with iPad, and one upon which you would be highly foolish to base concrete and conclusive judgements, in my opinion. For all you know, the device may grow on you after having used/owned it for a few weeks/months.
This is evidence of a sheer lack of foresight, and pre-judgemental disposition. However, I respect your opinion, even though it seems completely illogical to me, I cannot tell you what to think.
I love the iphone, but i am not stupid enough to not want more, I will stick with the iphone at least until the next model is released and if the next model has no multitasking I am off, I hate using the sat nav <co-pilot> and my phone rings only to lose where the bloody hell I was going, I do have a seperate sat nav system but really want to just use my phone
My 3 yr old Nokia N95 can multitask so why not the iphone, my nokia can also use the full functions of my A2DP car stereo but my iphone can't, why can't I change a damn track using my stereo rather than having to click the screen.
While I am on one I will also say since the 3GS has come out lots of my apps seem to be getting worse, take BeeJive for example, this used to be fine logging into MSN and FACEBOOK chat but now it just lags horriblely between screens and sometimes just closes down altogether.
But i can record SkyTV and login to my natwest bank account, check the news and watch live TV, all at the press of a button so the iphone has me by the balls it's a proper love hate relationship haha.
My 3 yr old Nokia N95 can multitask so why not the iphone, my nokia can also use the full functions of my A2DP car stereo but my iphone can't, why can't I change a damn track using my stereo rather than having to click the screen.
While I am on one I will also say since the 3GS has come out lots of my apps seem to be getting worse, take BeeJive for example, this used to be fine logging into MSN and FACEBOOK chat but now it just lags horriblely between screens and sometimes just closes down altogether.
But i can record SkyTV and login to my natwest bank account, check the news and watch live TV, all at the press of a button so the iphone has me by the balls
it's a proper love hate relationship haha.
I love the iphone, but i am not stupid enough to not want more, I will stick with the iphone at least until the next model is released and if the next model has no multitasking I am off, I hate using the sat nav <co-pilot> and my phone rings only to lose where the bloody hell I was going, I do have a seperate sat nav system but really want to just use my phone
My 3 yr old Nokia N95 can multitask so why not the iphone, my nokia can also use the full functions of my A2DP car stereo but my iphone can't, why can't I change a damn track using my stereo rather than having to click the screen.
While I am on one I will also say since the 3GS has come out lots of my apps seem to be getting worse, take BeeJive for example, this used to be fine logging into MSN and FACEBOOK chat but now it just lags horriblely between screens and sometimes just closes down altogether.
But i can record SkyTV and login to my natwest bank account, check the news and watch live TV, all at the press of a button so the iphone has me by the balls
The issues you mention regarding losing where you were on Co-pilot and lagging on Beejive are issues you need to take up with the vendor of the apps - you cannot blame Apple or the iPhone, unless you can prove that these issues re-occur with all apps on the 3GS.
Comparing iPhone to any Nokia N series handset is, quite frankly, laughable, sorry. Modern Nokia handsets have enough trouble completing single tasks without crashing, let alone multi-tasking. This whole multi-tasking argument is just nonsense. Until mobile handsets come with 1-2Gb ram onboard, you will continue to experience lagging and UI problems.
iPhone may only have single-tasking, but at least it doesn't profess to multi-task smoothly like Google say Android can (and it can't). I am not sure whether you know about iPhone SDK or not, but once the user presses the home button, your app (looking at it from a developer's viewpoint) has 5 seconds to save data/state and quit - if it doesn't, iPhone OS kills the app!.
The state of the app which is quit in order to launch another app, is saved (as long as the vendor has coded it correctly). If it re-launches and you have to start over, then I am afraid the issue lies with the vendor - you cannot blame Apple for poorly written third-party apps.
As for bluetooth A2DP, I don't have an answer for that.
I take it that when you refer to your "stereo", you are referring to an iPhone compatible docking stereo system?. In which case there should be zero problem skipping forward/back ffwd/rwd, unless your stereo does not support it?. Again, this is a vendor issue. However, if you simply pipe the audio output from the headphone socket to your stereo system, how exactly are you expecting the stereo to be able to control the transport controls, when it is simply connected via an audio cable?.
If app developers that want to cash in from selling iPhone OS apps, are not willing to invest properly in training for their coders to learn how iPhone OS works, and how best to take advantage of the rich feature set, then I'm afraid they deserve everything they get, including bad ratings & lost sales.
I have no faith, I made a choice, and I must say a good one so far.
And millions of people like me ...
Now I have a software background, so my next phone will probably be a next generation iPhone.
Matter of fact ...
I'm not comparing the n95 to the iphone, i just said a 3 yr old phone is capable of answering a call while using the GPS, something the iphone should and is not able to do.
If you knew what A2DP was then you may know that it's a method of streaming music over a bluetooth connection, the iphone is able to do this after version 3.0 but it still has not been implemented properly hence why you cannot change tracks or skip, fast forward etc.
Oh and i had no problems multitasking on a Nokia N95, why the hell does apple put a GPS reciever in a phone and not allow it to work independently, how about I want to copy and past an address or postcode into co pilot, i have to close co pilot, open the email copy the address re open co pilot, let it get a new lock as it doesn't remember the last satellite's it was on like the N95 used too, then paste the address in.
Not to be nitpicky, but millions more people use Windows than Mac, so does that make Windows better? The amount of people using your product doesn't make said product better.
No, I never said you had to use one handset in your life. NOW who's assuming? My question was to ask you why you were using other ones in the first place if you are so happy with the iPhone platform. Which you failed to answer. I don't know why you can't just be honest about it. A person truly happy with something doesn't try out other things for size. So either you aren't as happy with the iPhone as you claim to be and continue to look for something that meets your needs more, OR you are a reviewer on a website like you raised the possibility of. But I highly doubt that last choice given the limited number of phones you have listed. "Trying a friend's" doesn't exactly scream "reviewer" to me.
And you wonder why people label you a fanboy? Hmmmm. Well....if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are....it's a duck!
I'm not going to continue a discussion with someone speaking about the crap N95 in the iPhone board, sorry
If that wasn't sarcasm, then you are correct... N95 is a diabolical mess, as is Nokia's whole design ethos, if the last few year's handsets are any yardstick!.
No, but it is established fact that Apple products are many orders of magnitude higher in quality, design & reliability that anything Microsoft could dream of designing & selling. Half the people that use windows don't know (or care) how terribly bad it is, because they don't know any different. Apple survive on a reputation held in extremely high regard, whereas Microsoft survive on the comfort factor of people being "used to" their products, and sheer numbers, all washed down with a cold glass of sheer ignorance.
I hope I conveyed that properly, only had 4.5hrs sleep
Please would you define "better" in a slightly more scientific or technically detailed way. I cannot imagine the CEO of Samsung asking his R&D dept for a spec sheet for an AMOLED, and having them send a PDF, saying "coz it's better".
I don't know how anyone can say that a bleeding edge technology is categorically "vastly superior", when LCD tech has been around since the 1990's, and has just improved and improved, and AMOLED has been used as LCD replacements in consumer tech for, oh, 2-4 years, and even then, in very small numbers.
Okay
well if you can only see things in such narrow minded, pigeon-holed black and white terms, then feel free to brand me as a fanboy if it helps you sleep better.I am not going to sit here and waste my time explaining to ears that cannot hear; I test the competitors products for my own personal reasons, so I can inform others, and keep an open mind. You cannot criticise something you've never tried... can you not see this?...
it's really rather obvious why I did/do it. How can you keep up to date with tech, if you don't play with the devices against which the iPhone is being compared?.PS: calm down; you really don't need to get so excited.
Does anyone else understand what I am saying regarding this?.
No, but it is established fact that Apple products are many orders of magnitude higher in quality, design & reliability that anything Microsoft could dream of designing & selling. Half the people that use windows don't know (or care) how terribly bad it is, because they don't know any different. Apple survive on a reputation held in extremely high regard, whereas Microsoft survive on the comfort factor of people being "used to" their products, and sheer numbers, all washed down with a cold glass of sheer ignorance.
I hope I conveyed that properly, only had 4.5hrs sleep
Please would you define "better" in a slightly more scientific or technically detailed way. I cannot imagine the CEO of Samsung asking his R&D dept for a spec sheet for an AMOLED, and having them send a PDF, saying "coz it's better".
I don't know how anyone can say that a bleeding edge technology is categorically "vastly superior", when LCD tech has been around since the 1990's, and has just improved and improved, and AMOLED has been used as LCD replacements in consumer tech for, oh, 2-4 years, and even then, in very small numbers.
I don't think you get it. Just your fact of bashing Windows shows your fanboyism towards Apple. So high quality products like the 27" iMac? The point is, millions of people use Windows, and millions of people use iPhones.
AMOLED allows for improved battery life because on a dark screen the pixels don't have to even turn on. The resolution of the Nexus One is higher than the iPhone and the colors are more vibrant. These are all givens. Yes, AMOLED is a newer technology. Blu-ray is a new technology to DVD, yet DVD has been around for a while, so DVDs are better because they've been around longer? I don't get your logic here. Probably the minute the iPhone came out you jumped on it (like I did). Using your arguments, the iPhone when it first came out could in NO WAY be better than Windows Mobile which has been around for years, or Palm devices which have been around for years.
You keep using your arguments to prove your points, but neglect to realize they prove other points as well.
*Sigh*... okay, whatever, you "win".
The foolish companies are the early adopters, which is rarely Apple. Yes, that sounds like a fanboy statement, but think about it for longer than it takes to simply hammer out a critical and uninformed reply, and it might make sense to you then - why would Apple adopt a display which is:
A/ Still in it's infancy
B/ Going to push the price prohibitively higher, than tried and tested LCDs
C/ Prone to other defects such as screen burn, over-saturation & green pixel death
You either understand how this works or you don't - simple. I have no more time to spend on explaining this simple logic.
At the risk of being called a fanboy, it is not at all a given that an AMOLED will provide better battery life in all applications. AMOLED displays are also more subject to materials degredation, have shorter lifespans, and may be subject to burn-in. Most importantly, they are much dimmer than LCDs in sunlight.
In the end, the decision of which is better is a judgment call: a more durable, brighter, longer lived, less vibrant and lower resolution LCD may be preferable in some situations and to some people to a less durable, dimmer, shorter-lived, more vibrant and higher resolution screen. Something like superiority of a screen technology is not as black and white as you'd like to suggest.