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Link: iPhone LCD better than Nexus AMOLED


Yeah go read the updates on that from other websites. It turns out the problem is software not hardware. Those problems that are listed in those test do not appear in some of the 3rd party browsers. It appeared only in the native browser.

This shows it is software not a hardware issues. Thank you and please come again.
 
Yeah go read the updates on that from other websites. It turns out the problem is software not hardware. Those problems that are listed in those test do not appear in some of the 3rd party browsers. It appeared only in the native browser.

This shows it is software not a hardware issues. Thank you and please come again.

most of what is reported by that article simply can't be software related.
It's not only a browser issue, it' s about the screen, as the stated in the update:

Color Depth and Granularity Update: People using the browser on the Nexus One report that they don’t see the banding shown in Figure 1 for the NASA Photo “Sunset on Mars” from within the browser, but Gizmodo shows screen shots of Intensity Scale Ramps using the Nexus One Browser that duplicates and confirms the 16-bit color depth and banding shown in Figure 1. This definitively establishes that the Nexus One has a 16-bit display interface. It sounds like the Nexus One browser is using its own internal scaling together with a dithering algorithm that seems to be able to smooth over false contouring in some cases. But it’s clear that the Nexus One display system is using only 16-bit color and that is absolutely shocking!

It remains to be seen whether the 16-bit color is a hardware limitation or a software configuration that can be upgraded and fixed. My guess is that it looks like a hardware limitation because it is possible to see image flicker in dark test patterns, which means that the display is using low frequency Pulse Width Modulation. High frequency PWM is needed to produce the 256 levels needed for 24-bit color.

These also are HARDWARE LIMITATIONS:


Peak Brightness: 229 cd/m2 – Poor, insufficient brightness for a mobile display

Screen Reflectance: 15.5 Percent – Bad, Relatively High

High Ambient Light Contrast Rating: 15 – Bad, Relatively Low

Color Temperature and Chromaticity: 8870 degrees Kelvin – Whites are Too Blue

Color Gamut: Much Larger than the Standard Gamut – Colors are Inaccurate and Over Saturated

Intensity Scale and Gamma: Poor, Too Steep, Too Irregular, and Non-Standard
 
Soneira's discovery that the Nexus One screen is inferior to the iPhone is interesting, because many who spent time with both handsets said they found the Nexus One OLED display to be superior. But Soneira said eyeballing the screens isn't enough.

"Many" people find the OLED display to be better with their own eyes, but that's not good enough? For whom, robots?
 
"Many" people find the OLED display to be better with their own eyes, but that's not good enough? For whom, robots?

So tech specs count only when against iPhone ? Interesting point of view ... :rolleyes:

They analized the N1's display and decided that the iPhone's display, with all its limitations, was better.
But I can understand, that's not enough for you because .... well ... bashing iPhone is so cool .... :rolleyes:
 
So tech specs count only when against iPhone ? Interesting point of view ... :rolleyes:

They analized the N1's display and decided that the iPhone's display, with all its limitations, was better.
But I can understand, that's not enough for you because .... well ... bashing iPhone is so cool .... :rolleyes:

It's not about bashing the iPhone. I have both phones and the nexuses one screen is better, just as my iPhones screen is better that my treos screen.
 
This is what gets me about all you iPhone users. It frustrates me to ****. You want to do all these things on your phone, which are perfectly reasonable requests, but cant.

Why?

Because Apple wants to 'control their users experience.' Please read about closed platforms before buying one....its really quite simple.

As for the Nexus One - why is it a far superior phone? Ill tell you...actually. Ill invite anyone to point out any feature on the iphone and ill happily tell you why its inferior to the N1. Please, just try me!!

First question please....

Use a few Googling skillz and you will see this is totally not the case. N1 has been out for a few months, VS iPhone 3 years - iPhone beats it hands down. Period.

AMOLED is a total and utter disaster right now. Anyone telling me that AMOLED beats LCD - a proven technology for many years, I'm sorry but that is just not the case. I haven't the time to debate right now, but my first EVER AMOLED device got screen burn after five, yes FIVE hours. People get sucked into AMOLED because it is new and shiny, and all the colours seem to "pop" and are hyper-saturated. Bottom line is that AMOLED is a very very immature display technology, which has many issues to resolve before it reaches anywhere near the integration of LCDs.

Want more evidence?... why have Apple still not used AMOLED, even in iPad?. Speaks volumes.

LCD: 1
AMOLED: 0

Fail.
 
Use a few Googling skillz and you will see this is totally not the case. N1 has been out for a few months, VS iPhone 3 years - iPhone beats it hands down. Period.

AMOLED is a total and utter disaster right now. Anyone telling me that AMOLED beats LCD - a proven technology for many years, I'm sorry but that is just not the case. I haven't the time to debate right now, but my first EVER AMOLED device got screen burn after five, yes FIVE hours. People get sucked into AMOLED because it is new and shiny, and all the colours seem to "pop" and are hyper-saturated. Bottom line is that AMOLED is a very very immature display technology, which has many issues to resolve before it reaches anywhere near the integration of LCDs.

Want more evidence?... why have Apple still not used AMOLED, even in iPad?. Speaks volumes.

LCD: 1
AMOLED: 0

Fail.

You fail. I have both phones and the nexus one screen is superior.
 
You fail. I have both phones and the nexus one screen is superior.

Okay then, if you think so. To be honest, I am only giving my opinion here, I don't expect you to agree... but LCD has been tried and tested for years, whereas AMOLED is very immature, but whatever hey. :)
 
It's not about bashing the iPhone. I have both phones and the nexuses one screen is better, just as my iPhones screen is better that my treos screen.

That's your view, not mine.

The whole point is that the user experience should be the deciding matter, not raw specs. The difference is exactly what has made the iPhone popular.

not at all.
It's not a matter of "raw specs".
I have quoted PROFESSIONAL tests that actually show how the iPhone screen is better, whatever you are saying ....
 
not at all.
It's not a matter of "raw specs".
I have quoted PROFESSIONAL tests that actually show how the iPhone screen is better, whatever you are saying ....

I think the point they are making is that people look at their phones with their naked eyes, not through some colour calibration device. This is a handheld screen, not some 24" desingners monitor. Surely real world opinions are what we shoul be taking note of, not some scientific analyst whose results are being taken out of context. Colour and artifact issues will be lost on a screen this size, especially when it has a better resolution than the iPhones.
 
I think the point they are making is that people look at their phones with their naked eyes, not through some colour calibration device. This is a handheld screen, not some 24" desingners monitor. Surely real world opinions are what we shoul be taking note of, not some scientific analyst whose results are being taken out of context. Colour and artifact issues will be lost on a screen this size, especially when it has a better resolution than the iPhones.

The colour rendition of a display on iPhone is actually very important when you consider that it is the only gauge you have, by which to judge the composition of photos and videos you capture. Okay, so iPhone is not a professional camera, but I would rather have near-real colour accuracy than visual "sugar" just to keep my eyes entertained, thanks. If an over-saturated and inaccurate display is all it takes to amuse people, then society is becoming awfully stupid.

I have a friend who moved from the terrible Nexus One to iPhone, and says he finds it a much better display, even though the resolution is much less!. I saw the N1, and it was like a multi-coloured torch, and abysmal to be honest. Who cares for the resolution?. As you have just pointed out, it isn't a graphic design tool!. The inescapable fact of the matter is that Apple have yet to adopt AMOLED, if ever, and why do you think this is?... they are not known to integrate bleeding edge or poorly performing parts into their products, which is just one of the reasons they are so well respected, and why every handset seems to aspire to be the next "iPhone killer" (I hate that ridiculous phrase!!).

AMOLED fail (again I say this).
 
I've placed these three devices side by side, iPhone, iPhone 3G S, Nexus One.

iPhone screen was good (My own);
iPhone 3GS was just too warm;
Nexus One screen actually surprised me. I found it to be the best.

So far, the iPhone hasn't tempted me to upgrade.

As far as platform goes, Android has the slight winning edge. As a business user, I absolutely despise that I have to quit an app, to do something else, then relaunch it. Some apps, such as, IM + take quite a while to load up again.

This year, if I am not dying for the iPhone, I may be switching to HTC HD2/mini or Nexus One.

As a Windows User, Apple iTunes is a complete pain. I've stumbled across a killing bug in an unlocked iPhone, which is now forcing me to restore andset up as new.
 
The colour rendition of a display on iPhone is actually very important when you consider that it is the only gauge you have, by which to judge the composition of photos and videos you capture. Okay, so iPhone is not a professional camera, but I would rather have near-real colour accuracy than visual "sugar" just to keep my eyes entertained, thanks. If an over-saturated and inaccurate display is all it takes to amuse people, then society is becoming awfully stupid.

I have a friend who moved from the terrible Nexus One to iPhone, and says he finds it a much better display, even though the resolution is much less!. I saw the N1, and it was like a multi-coloured torch, and abysmal to be honest. Who cares for the resolution?. As you have just pointed out, it isn't a graphic design tool!. The inescapable fact of the matter is that Apple have yet to adopt AMOLED, if ever, and why do you think this is?... they are not known to integrate bleeding edge or poorly performing parts into their products, which is just one of the reasons they are so well respected, and why every handset seems to aspire to be the next "iPhone killer" (I hate that ridiculous phrase!!).

AMOLED fail (again I say this).

Photo display? That's a weak argument. Are you telling me that pro photographers judge their photos purely on the LCD display of their digital slr? No? Didn't think so.

I wonder what you will be saying if the next iPhone has an amoled display, because at the moment you're just arguing that the N1 doesn't have an apple logo on it.

As for resolution, just look at the crisper icons of the n1's interface. You certainly wouldn't be upset if apple introduced this, I'm sure.

I really don't get why some people are so offended by competition.
 
you are quite amazing.
When is time to bash iPhone, it' all about tech specs (resolution, AMOLED, Ghz ... ).
Now it's all about what you see .... :rolleyes:
 
you are quite amazing.
When is time to bash iPhone, it' all about tech specs (resolution, AMOLED, Ghz ... ).
Now it's all about what you see .... :rolleyes:

Where did I bash the iPhone? I have the 3gs and am quite happy with it when jailbroken. IMO it has bigger issues than the screen though if we want to point out it's weaknesses.

Oops, nearly forgot the :rolleyes: since this seems to make my
post have more relevence.
 
I never fail to be amazed by the venom with which hard core iphone fans defend their "holy grail" device: it is a phone, it has good points, it has not so good points, it is greater than some in some ways, it is less than others in other ways, like all such things, it is trivial, it has no meaning, it is a tool, as a saw is a tool, to invest so much emotion in it ( and things like it) is to de-value what it is to be human and is a symptom of a broken society....

Flame at your leisure - I know you will...........................
 
I never fail to be amazed by the venom with which hard core iphone fans defend their "holy grail" device: it is a phone, it has good points, it has not so good points, it is greater than some in some ways, it is less than others in other ways, like all such things, it is trivial, it has no meaning, it is a tool, as a saw is a tool, to invest so much emotion in it ( and things like it) is to de-value what it is to be human and is a symptom of a broken society....

Flame at your leisure - I know you will...........................
no it is not "just a phone". It is THE phone that changed the whole market. And all the competitors are trying to imitate ..... just like the N1 is doing right now.
 
no it is not "just a phone". It is THE phone that changed the whole market. And all the competitors are trying to imitate ..... just like the N1 is doing right now.

Granted it changed the market, but not all other phones are trying to copy and mega locked down device which has some issues.
 
Okay then, if you think so. To be honest, I am only giving my opinion here, I don't expect you to agree... but LCD has been tried and tested for years, whereas AMOLED is very immature, but whatever hey. :)

Oh just like the early days of LCD.... Back when apple completely dumped CRT LCD were still fairly young had had not been tried and true. Lets see back then if you could get a 20ms response time monitor it was considered top of the line (now middle of the road is 4ms)

AMOLED are going to replace LCD due on average less power usage. LCD use about the same amount of power weather the screen is black or white. AMOLED when it is black is used a lot less power than when it is white. AMOLED can do true black (no light). LCD can not.

I am also willing to bet the 2nd apple started using AMOLED you and many others will be screaming how much better AMOLED than LCD. I can point to time after time that this happened in apples past that people bash it until the 2nd their god (SJ) announces the change then it is praise the object they used to bash and bash the one they used to praise.
 
Oh just like the early days of LCD.... Back when apple completely dumped CRT LCD were still fairly young had had not been tried and true. Lets see back then if you could get a 20ms response time monitor it was considered top of the line (now middle of the road is 4ms)

AMOLED are going to replace LCD due on average less power usage. LCD use about the same amount of power weather the screen is black or white. AMOLED when it is black is used a lot less power than when it is white. AMOLED can do true black (no light). LCD can not.

I am also willing to bet the 2nd apple started using AMOLED you and many others will be screaming how much better AMOLED than LCD. I can point to time after time that this happened in apples past that people bash it until the 2nd their god (SJ) announces the change then it is praise the object they used to bash and bash the one they used to praise.

Yes they are going to replace LCDs, in the future possibly. They are still very immature, which is prob why Apple are waiting (sensibly) to see how it all pans out for everyone else, before they adopt them. See my point? - this is being rational, not a "fanboy" dude. Also you are being naive - WHEN AMOLED eventually supersede LCDs (a long way off imho) then yes, I will probably admit they are better, but saying I will "bash" LCDs is just childish.

Apple are never going to stake their hard-earned and well respected reputation, just on some new fandangled tech, just to keep the easily excitable and early adopters happy, right. LCD has been perfectly acceptable until now, so why is it suddenly second best?. You are being extremely naive, and I bet Steve Jobs would tell you exactly the same as I am if you asked. Just because AMOLED is new, doesn't mean LCD is suddenly rubbish, and AMOLED can take over instantly - it just doesn't work like that.
 
I really don't get why you're saying that AMOLED techology is immature, there have been a lot of phones with AMOLED displays for more than a year now, and I've never heard about any problems apart from sunlight legibility :confused: ? All these issue you're talking about are fairly new to me. The fact that you once experienced a burn in problem doesn't make the whole technology immature :rolleyes: . Also, Apple not using AMOLED displays isn't really an argument against the technology. Bluetooth, LED flash, stereo speakers, camera, MMS and copy/paste aren't immature technologies either, yet still Apple waited an awful long time to use these technologies (or still hasn't used them). The iPhone has always been lagging in terms of hardware specifications. Not a big deal, but it's true.
 
I enjoy my iPhone 3GS screen. I've played with a nexus 1 and the screen quality was great but I had no urge to even care if my iPhone had that screen. That does not make the screen to me at all.
Me looking at the iPhone screen right now and everything looks great in color to me. I see what I see, true colors. Not richer, not more saturation or contrast then the N1. As long as it shows the true colors of what supposed to be shown I'm not worried at all and that's why my 3GS screen does.

Regardless if apple keeps using LCD or The newer technology I'm sure it will do it's job just fine as LCD does for apple products.
 
I really don't get why you're saying that AMOLED techology is immature, there have been a lot of phones with AMOLED displays for more than a year now, and I've never heard about any problems apart from sunlight legibility :confused: ? All these issue you're talking about are fairly new to me. The fact that you once experienced a burn in problem doesn't make the whole technology immature :rolleyes: . Also, Apple not using AMOLED displays isn't really an argument against the technology. Bluetooth, LED flash, stereo speakers, camera, MMS and copy/paste aren't immature technologies either, yet still Apple waited an awful long time to use these technologies (or still hasn't used them). The iPhone has always been lagging in terms of hardware specifications. Not a big deal, but it's true.

More than a year is not mature. Apple have a reason I am sure, they just don't wish to justify it to anyone, nor should they need to. They are the ones doing the innovating, not the copying. You or I may not understand or know why Apple do or do not do things, but so what - they do enough to make every other copycat hardware and software vendor imitate them, so they are obviously doing something (a LOT of things) right.

You can debate it until you're blue in the face, but AMOLED is a very new and immature technology - it is only very recently that reasonable sized panels have been produced for a low enough price to warrant inclusion in consumer devices. Like it or dislike it, Apple are gonna go with the tried and tested route - they watch and wait to see how others fail, and how various bleeding edge tech either takes off or flops, and THEN they adopt the winners, not the newest, just for the sake of it being new or "better".

Let the other companies toy with the fandangled new technologies, and in time, Apple may or may not adopt the successful and reliable ones, based upon needs not just wants because the brainwashed public think because it's new and shiny, it is a MUST have.

It never fails to amaze me how people often completely miss (or ignore) the point regarding how Apple work. It is not all about the latest hardware specs, it is about how they can innovate and simplify the devices they conceive, whilst keeping the prices as aligned as possible with relation to the previous generation of said device.

This is SO much akin to the whole willy-waggling "my CPU is bigger than yours" that those ghastly PC gamer fanboys seem to think is important. You use an iPhone because you have made a concise purchase decision - beauty, simplicity and a staggering wealth of software available with just a couple of taps, almost anywhere you are, all in your pocket. If you want AMOLED then you can buy the rather awful Nexus One, but if you want the very best then you will buy iPhone. It's as simple as that, it really is.

There is perfect logic to this, but if you cannot see the logic, then I cannot explain any further without wasting my effort in doing so. Anyone with a designer's mind who truly and completely "get" what Apple is all about, know that it is something which you cannot completely explain to other people... something which is either simply understood, or learned through gradual usage of their products and services. Emotional connections to objects is the key with Apple products, and believe me, they know every trick in the book to help you enjoy using them. If you don't "get Apple", then no amount of explaining or forum posts are going to change that for you - you're just going to be looking at cold hard numbers and component specs, comparing them to other devices, regardless of manufacturer and software/features.

The best designs are the ones that appear "undesigned" - in other words, the designer has worked and worked, refining the product until absolutely everything that is unnecessary has been removed and trimmed down until only the absolute essential components are left. For instance, look at the sleep indicator on the iBook/MacBook Pro - you wouldn't expect that to be noted as a "feature" which tells how clever Apple were to think of it, it is just conveying a message when the message needs to be conveyed, and at any other time it simply vanishes. You don't think of the hands on a clock as "clever", they simply point to numbers and tell you the time - they do what they need to and no more, but also no less.

Something that is to work well and without fuss and frustration on the owner's part, has to be "undesigned", so when thinking about it, your emotions tell you "why would it be ANY other way", by simple instinct. I am struggling to carry across what I am trying to say here, because it is something you just feel without consciously considering it most of the time. If you really don't "get it" then you can't have it explained easily.
 
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