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iPhone / Nexus One and OLED

Eallan said:
Dang, that is some ridiculous company worship. You are a silly person, they're just a consumer electronics company bud.
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Your opinion, so why are you interested in this discussion?. Leave if you like, noone is forcing you to stay, at gunpoint. Obsessive designers are people who appreciate Apple, vs people who say "dang" and scoff at people's opinion, needlessly and without any real thought.

I am passionate about Apple, I don't need someone recently enlightened to my existence to waltz in and throw "fanboy" at me - I have heard that crap 1,000 times, and it still doesn't bother me one iota. :)

If they were JUST what you say they are, why does everyone copy them?.
 
glossywhite said:
More than a year is not mature. Apple have a reason I am sure, they just don't wish to justify it to anyone, nor should they need to. They are the ones doing the innovating, not the copying. You or I may not understand or know why Apple do or do not do things, but so what - they do enough to make every other copycat hardware and software vendor imitate them, so they are obviously doing something (a LOT of things) right.

You can debate it until you're blue in the face, but AMOLED is a very new and immature technology - it is only very recently that reasonable sized panels have been produced for a low enough price to warrant inclusion in consumer devices. Like it or dislike it, Apple are gonna go with the tried and tested route - they watch and wait to see how others fail, and how various bleeding edge tech either takes off or flops, and THEN they adopt the winners, not the newest, just for the sake of it being new or "better".

Let the other companies toy with the fandangled new technologies, and in time, Apple may or may not adopt the successful and reliable ones, based upon needs not just wants because the brainwashed public think because it's new and shiny, it is a MUST have.

It never fails to amaze me how people often completely miss (or ignore) the point regarding how Apple work. It is not all about the latest hardware specs, it is about how they can innovate and simplify the devices they conceive, whilst keeping the prices as aligned as possible with relation to the previous generation of said device.

This is SO much akin to the whole willy-waggling "my CPU is bigger than yours" that those ghastly PC gamer fanboys seem to think is important. You use an iPhone because you have made a concise purchase decision - beauty, simplicity and a staggering wealth of software available with just a couple of taps, almost anywhere you are, all in your pocket. If you want AMOLED then you can buy the rather awful Nexus One, but if you want the very best then you will buy iPhone. It's as simple as that, it really is.

There is perfect logic to this, but if you cannot see the logic, then I cannot explain any further without wasting my effort in doing so. Anyone with a designer's mind who truly and completely "get" what Apple is all about, know that it is something which you cannot completely explain to other people... something which is either simply understood, or learned through gradual usage of their products and services. Emotional connections to objects is the key with Apple products, and believe me, they know every trick in the book to help you enjoy using them. If you don't "get Apple", then no amount of explaining or forum posts are going to change that for you - you're just going to be looking at cold hard numbers and component specs, comparing them to other devices, regardless of manufacturer and software/features.

The best designs are the ones that appear "undesigned" - in other words, the designer has worked and worked, refining the product until absolutely everything that is unnecessary has been removed and trimmed down until only the absolute essential components are left. For instance, look at the sleep indicator on the iBook/MacBook Pro - you wouldn't expect that to be noted as a "feature" which tells how clever Apple were to think of it, it is just conveying a message when the message needs to be conveyed, and at any other time it simply vanishes. You don't think of the hands on a clock as "clever", they simply point to numbers and tell you the time - they do what they need to and no more, but also no less.

Something that is to work well and without fuss and frustration on the owner's part, has to be "undesigned", so when thinking about it, your emotions tell you "why would it be ANY other way", by simple instinct. I am struggling to carry across what I am trying to say here, because it is something you just feel without consciously considering it most of the time. If you really don't "get it" then you can't have it explained easily.
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I get how Apple works. It's just irrelevant, since AMOLED displays have been available in great number of phones for more than a year now. These are not experimental phones. It's just that AMOLED displays have received praise, and apart from sunlight legibility, there's nothing wrong with the AMOLED technology. Nobody's failing with the AMOLED displays, the only one who's failing is Apple since people are considering moving away from the iPhone because it's lagging in aspects such as the display quality.

By the way, how about the capactive multitouch displays? Wasn't that a new and immature technology when Apple adopted it? I'm going to answer this for you: yes it was. And despite being immature and fairly new, it's one of the reasons the iPhone became a huge success. Innovation goes hand in hand with the adoption of new technologies. Apple isn't innovating phones anymore, they stopped doing that after January 2007. All the updates have been incremental and minor at best.

I'm going to speculate that the only reason Apple didn't update the display with the 3GS is because there was no need since the iPhone was already doing very well. No need to innovate.

PS. You're "you get it or or you don't get it; it can't be explained" philosophy is weak, the only thing it does is hide that you're unable to explain Apple's success. I really don't understand why since it's fairly easy.
 
glossywhite said:
They are the ones doing the innovating, not the copying.

...they watch and wait to see how others fail, and how various bleeding edge tech either takes off or flops, and THEN they adopt the winners...
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Right...

Apple doesn't copy. They just wait and see how other companies do and then "adopt" the successful tech.
 
Eso said:
Right...

Apple doesn't copy. They just wait and see how other companies do and then "adopt" the successful tech.
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Omg ... And now Apple is the company that copies the other ...
Biggest BS ever seen on the net
 
I know once I switch to the Nexus I am going to want my iPhone back..
 
ajohnson253 said:
I enjoy my iPhone 3GS screen. I've played with a nexus 1 and the screen quality was great but I had no urge to even care if my iPhone had that screen. That does not make the screen to me at all.
Me looking at the iPhone screen right now and everything looks great in color to me. I see what I see, true colors. Not richer, not more saturation or contrast then the N1. As long as it shows the true colors of what supposed to be shown I'm not worried at all and that's why my 3GS screen does.

Regardless if apple keeps using LCD or The newer technology I'm sure it will do it's job just fine as LCD does for apple products.
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QFT!!!!!!
 
Gix1k said:
I know once I switch to the Nexus I am going to want my iPhone back..
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I just switched. The nexus one does so much more than my iPhone. It's smarter and faster. My 3gs is going on eBay asap. Going back to my iPhone would be really going backwards.
 
All of these opinions...Who has actually tried both phones side by side. Specs are great, on paper! What really matters is hands on, it can completely change the opinion. So my question is all these people bitching about what is better, WHO has actually tried both and which do they prefer? They are the only one's I'm listening to.

I've had both and the Nexus is much better. Oh, and whoever said something about it being a pure hardware problem, with respect, you're wrong. Hardware is an influencing factor obviously, but it is how the software utilises the equipment it runs on.

I think you'll find a lot of the negativity towards the iPhone is the reaction back to iPhone users mentality that the iPhone is the be all and end all and quite frankly, it's funny to winde Apple fanboys up because it's so easy. The Nexus is a great phone, so is the iPhone, they're just different! Stop arguing and be a bit more open minded.
 
Dan14 said:
All of these opinions...Who has actually tried both phones side by side. Specs are great, on paper! What really matters is hands on, it can completely change the opinion. So my question is all these people bitching about what is better, WHO has actually tried both and which do they prefer? They are the only one's I'm listening to.

I've had both and the Nexus is much better. Oh, and whoever said something about it being a pure hardware problem, with respect, you're wrong. Hardware is an influencing factor obviously, but it is how the software utilises the equipment it runs on.

I think you'll find a lot of the negativity towards the iPhone is the reaction back to iPhone users mentality that the iPhone is the be all and end all and quite frankly, it's funny to winde Apple fanboys up because it's so easy. The Nexus is a great phone, so is the iPhone, they're just different! Stop arguing and be a bit more open minded.
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Uhm yes I agree, except that the N1 is a design failure, in that in wishes to the open-source iPhone, without directly copying it, and with the "open-source" smokescreen to deter the critics commenting that it is a copycat. Imho (my OPINION alone) N1 is a huge failure, adopted by those who think that Android can steal the trophy from Apple overnight by adding some cutting edge hardware and throwing the "open-source" idealism into the mix for hope that it will magically fix everything wrong with Apple's closed-source approach.

As for the Android "Marketplace" - too little, too late. I appreciate it is difficult to better the App store business model, but to run alongside it in parallel, hoping that open-source will save the day is simply blindness.

The only handset that I realistically think is going to push the 3GS off it's throne, is the next iPhone. The reason that you feel Apple "fanboys" are so easily wound up, is because it is very clear for us to see that the answers are very obvious, and sit in front of us and in the palms of our hands, and yet there is always someone out there who feels the need to taunt and antagonize people, by pretending they have missed something, and are somehow brainwashed(?).

You be anti-fanboy all you like, and I'll stand firm in my admiration of Apple, because that is precisely what it is, but brand it what you wish :).
 
It has been pointed out for about 1000 times now that the color banding is caused by image compression used in the gallery app. When you look at the same picture using the browser it looks just fine. So the Nexus One screen is better. Simple as that.

I don't get why it's such a big deal to recognize that the competitor has a better screen. The Nexus One screen is more pleasing to the eyes, and that's what counts. You're not doing professional Photoshop work on it, so color authenticity doesn't really matter. Besides that, I wonder how on earth it's possible that the person who wrote that article came to the conclusion that the "iPhone screen" (there's no such thing!) has more authentic colors. Apple uses a lot of different screens, and I've seen screens that look completely different in terms of black levels, contrast, white balance and color tone. They have one thing in common though, they're not on par with the competition, all of them.
 
Merkie said:
It has been pointed out for about 1000 times now that the color banding is caused by image compression used in the gallery app. When you look at the same picture using the browser it looks just fine. So the Nexus One screen is better. Simple as that.

I don't get why it's such a big deal to recognize that the competitor has a better screen. The Nexus One screen is more pleasing to the eyes, and that's what counts. You're not doing professional Photoshop work on it, so color authenticity doesn't really matter. Besides that, I wonder how on earth it's possible that the person who wrote that article came to the conclusion that the "iPhone screen" (there's no such thing!) has more authentic colors. Apple uses a lot of different screens, and I've seen screens that look completely different in terms of black levels, contrast, white balance and color tone. They have one thing in common though, they're not on par with the competition, all of them.
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Of course colour authenticity matters!. So, you want to take a photograph and have it come out on your computer with a colour cast that is *completely* different to when you composed the shot?. So, basically, you are saying that because the LCD isn't an _exact_ representation of how the original scene looked, then we should just throw all caution to the wind, and turn it into a cartoon by using something that it totally inaccurate?. You have a wonderful designer's mind - Apple should recruit you without delay. :D

So, just to please you and HTC, we are all to pretend to agree that AMOLED is a better technology, just to keep you smiling?. What you're essentially saying is that customers are idiots, and lots of over-saturated "cartoonified" visual sugar is what makes a better display?. AMOLED is brand new technology, and LCD has been around for many more years. We'll see who has the preverbial egg on their faces, soon enough. Maybe I am wrong, I am not saying I am never wrong.


darngooddesign said:
Unless you are in bright light or outside, that is.
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Nexus 1 ad: "Enjoy the myriad benefits of cutting-edge AMOLED display technology, integrated into the Nexus One. Just remember, for the best possible viewing experience, only ever use the Nexus One inside, or in the dark" :D

AMOLED fail, I repeat (and will continue to do so) - look here:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/02/22/n1.shows.low.brightness.artifacts/
 
glossywhite said:
Of course colour authenticity matters!. So, you want to take a photograph and have it come out on your computer with a colour cast that is *completely* different to when you composed the shot?. So, basically, you are saying that because the LCD isn't an _exact_ representation of how the original scene looked, then we should just throw all caution to the wind, and turn it into a cartoon by using something that it totally inaccurate?. You have a wonderful designer's mind - Apple should recruit you without delay. :D

So, just to please you and HTC, we are all to pretend to agree that AMOLED is a better technology, just to keep you smiling?. What you're essentially saying is that customers are idiots, and lots of over-saturated "cartoonified" visual sugar is what makes a better display?. AMOLED is brand new technology, and LCD has been around for many more years. We'll see who has the preverbial egg on their faces, soon enough. Maybe I am wrong, I am not saying I am never wrong.
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First of all, it will never look "completely different". No one at home (generalizing here) has a calibrated display, so differences between the colors on the phone and on the computer will always be there. Furthermore, I still wonder how the iPhone's LCD can be so "authentic" when the same picture viewed on four different iPhones can look completely different on every phone. Because that's the reality. Cell phones displays are NEVER color authentic. So yes, to an extent authenticity isn't really important as long green is green, red is red and blue is still blue.
glossywhite said:
Nexus 1 ad: "Enjoy the myriad benefits of cutting-edge AMOLED display technology, integrated into the Nexus One. Just remember, for the best possible viewing experience, only ever use the Nexus One inside, or in the dark" :D

AMOLED fail, I repeat (and will continue to do so) - look here:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/02/22/n1.shows.low.brightness.artifacts/
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This has been debunked so many times now that it's starting to get pathetic. The gallery app in Android compresses images. If you look at the same picture in the browser it's fine - no color banding at all.
 
Merkie said:
It has been pointed out for about 1000 times now that the color banding is caused by image compression used in the gallery app. When you look at the same picture using the browser it looks just fine. So the Nexus One screen is better. Simple as that.
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wrong. Simple as that.
And if you care to actually read the article, you could find all the answers.
But I know, you and the other iPhone bashers don't really want to read an article like that ...

I don't get why it's such a big deal to recognize that the competitor has a better screen. The Nexus One screen is more pleasing to the eyes, and that's what counts. You're not doing professional Photoshop work on it, so color authenticity doesn't really matter. Besides that, I wonder how on earth it's possible that the person who wrote that article came to the conclusion that the "iPhone screen" (there's no such thing!) has more authentic colors. Apple uses a lot of different screens, and I've seen screens that look completely different in terms of black levels, contrast, white balance and color tone. They have one thing in common though, they're not on par with the competition, all of them.
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because it is FALSE: and it is not only related to colors...
 
You people are still b1tching about all of this? Wow, seriously people....
This is better
No, this is better
Nope, this is better

WHO CARES?

What do you get if you prove them wrong? Exactly, nothing. Stop wasting a portion of your lives on something so ignorant. Sheesh.

If you like it, fine. Like it and shut up about it. You're sounding like a bunch of 2nd graders
My dad can beat up your dad.
Nuh uh..my dad is bigger than yours so he can beat your dad up.

Here's an independent test between the two screens.
Agree or disagree. I don't care.

Wired.com article
DisplayMate blog Nexus One vs iPhone
 
Before this, who had heard of DisplayMate Technologies Corp. ?

Dr. Raymond Soneira has an interesting history to him, since he gained his PhD in Physics and Computer Sciences behind him, the only slightly relative course he could be affiliated with in this sitation is his Physics degree.

It'd be interesting to find out more about him. Personally, having used both for an hour, I find the AMOLED to be more refreshing.

Unfortunately, I was unable to reproduce his experiments, and I would welcome a full report on what he did.
 
Eso said:
Right...

Apple doesn't copy. They just wait and see how other companies do and then "adopt" the successful tech.
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not the case with the 27" iMac, I guess.. everyone is ready to bash Apple, either they're an early or a late adopter.
Successful tech? AM OLED? Maybe Samsung's super amoled, but no the one I've seen on samsung omnia HD, the galaxy or the HTC. LCD is poor enough under direct sunlight, no need for even poorer tech in those regards..
 
Does anyone know a side by side comparison of the iPhone and Nexus One screen? That way everyone can judge for themselves.
 
well

Well for one thing i think the Nexus one is amazing the little features are the things that set it apart from the iphone .. you have to give google some credit they are trying to draw there own crowd and not just rivial against the iphone .. for those who havent touched the phone shouldnt even commenet because the Nexus is .. well an orgasim in your hands :]


i-c :apple:
 
Merkie said:
It has been pointed out for about 1000 times now that the color banding is caused by image compression used in the gallery app. When you look at the same picture using the browser it looks just fine. So the Nexus One screen is better. Simple as that.
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This is the undisputed fact.

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