iPhone on Verizon Killed

[Cleverboy]

with regards to Steve Jobs I will say you should get a copy of iCon.... the book he tried to ban. Very revealing and telling that having failed to get it banned he has never disputed its' content.

He didn't "try" to get it banned. He HAD it banned. He "tried" to have it not published.

who invented Mac, who invented iPod etc...
check it out.

I agree with the other poster. It's a skewed view to think Steve Jobs invented anything at Apple that did not explicitly bare his name on it, unless you're referring to business practices. He's a CEO. --He's not Steve Wozniak.

~ CB

 

[Cleverboy]

There are several pieces to the privacy surround an FCC application:

1) Before approval, you can ask that nothing be posted until the day of approval.

Furthermore, you can ask that the approval process be put off until a certain day (such as the week before you put a device on sale)... although that is risky, since approval could take more time than you expected.

2) The approval itself, once completed, cannot be kept secret. It will be posted on the FCC site. So will the test results, and a drawing of where the FCC label will go. (Which usually gives away the device shape.)

3) However, you can ask that photographs, user manuals, etc be kept secret for up to a few months after approval to give you time to get ready for sale. After that, those manuals and photographs become public.

4) Yet even then, you can ask that schematics and tuning manuals be kept secret forever.

Interesting. I'm thinking Apple doesn't like surprises. I'd imagine they'd want a clear approval with more than enough lead time for such a special product such as the iPhone... or the forthcoming tablet. I see your point though. Lots of flexibility... but in a chess game like this, everything has consequences and risk.

~ CB

 

[str1f3]

wanna check those 'worldwide' Nokia smartphone figures

once more for luck?

here's a clue.. Apple has increase 1% since then...

Oops my mistake. I actually saw that chart by Gartner before. I must have confused it with this:

Earnings: Nokia Keeps Looking To Internet As Profit Crashes

While Rivals Jockey For Market Share, Apple Bathes In Profits

"According to the report, Apple made $1.6 billion in operating profit off of the iPhone in Q3. Nokia, meanwhile, made $1.1 billion. Let’s put this in perspective. Recent numbers suggest Nokia controls roughly 35% of the worldwide handset market. Apple? About 2.5%.

Not 25%. Two point five percent."

Nokia's net profit falls 90 percent

Mobile app developers fire back: Nokia sucks!

More Nokia Cuts: 330 R&D Jobs Axed In Scandinavia

Nokia Cutting 220 R&D Jobs In Japan

Nokia cuts production, closes R&D facility

Nokia vs. Apple: A Sign of Weakness?

"Today's action, along with the last complaint, are two red flags Nokia shareholders should consider when it comes time to consider their actual position in the Finnish company. Add to that the lack of innovation in the high end market.."
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Clearly Nokia has nothing but blue skies headed their way and I'm sure that cutting R&D could only help them in developing the innovative phones of tomorrow.

 

[ichrisers]

i like your way of thinking

of course Apple wants to be on Verizon, it opens up an entirely new market of phone users to them. but they aren't going to just put it on the Verizon network, they will try to get the best deal from Verizon possible, just like they did with AT&T. if Verizon wants to play ball this time around you can be sure the iPhone makes it onto that network regardless of what other phones they may sell.

this notion competition preventing the iPhone from Verizon makes no sense, every carrier has mutiple branded phones all looking to out do each other, so what's the big deal about the iPhone being one of them, just as it already is currently on AT&T (last time i checked AT&T has plenty of other phones, and will have Android phones too). if anything the fact that Verizon now has some desirable phones that people are considering as an alternative to an iPhone would make Apple want to get into that market and give people who want to stay on Verizon the alternative of taking an iPhone but didn't want to switch carriers. otherwise Apple takes the risk of indirectly helping to build the Android user base because within that user base are potential iPhone users.

but like i said Apple isn't that desparate just to allow the iPhone onto Verizon's network, Verizon will need to be willing to give Apple the deal they want.

you are right .. i see what your trying to say i would LOVE if the iphone came to verizon however im a firm believer that .. that contract that you speak of will NOT happen this time around .. i think that apple will extend their contract with at&t maybe in the future
i-c

 

[tritonj]

you are right .. i see what your trying to say i would LOVE if the iphone came to verizon however im a firm believer that .. that contract that you speak of will NOT happen this time around .. i think that apple will extend their contract with at&t maybe in the future
i-c

there is nothing to stop Apple from signing with both, so while i'm sure they will continue to offer the iPhone through AT&T they will expand into Verizon. the question is how bad does Verizon want the iPhone and will they be willing to meet the demands of Apple to get it.

 

[ichrisers]

Ditto

there is nothing to stop Apple from signing with both, so while i'm sure they will continue to offer the iPhone through AT&T they will expand into Verizon. the question is how bad does Verizon want the iPhone and will they be willing to meet the demands of Apple to get it.

i agree and its debatable verizon might want the iphone but i think they are feeling very condifent right now... but i guess we wont know will we... did your read the rumor about apple annocing the iphone on the (26 or 27) i think that if they will sign a contract with verizon they will annoce it then

i-c

 

[ToroidalZeus]

there is nothing to stop Apple from signing with both

Depends. First is when is the exclusive agreement actually over? Second does that agreement says Apple will not develop a CDMA verizon of the iphone even after the exclusivity is over?

Third what if AT&T says 'we will increase the subsidy for the iphone if you keep it exclusive" or " will lower the subsidy if the iphone goes to Verizon." After all apple can not cut off at&t because it would piss off all the current iphone owners and create huge negative publicity.

 

[NathanA]

Second does that agreement says Apple will not develop a CDMA verizon of the iphone even after the exclusivity is over?

What an odd speculation. Why on earth would it be in the interest of EITHER party (Apple or AT&T) to have such a clause in their "U.S. Only" exclusivity agreement?

Once the iPhone is no longer exclusive to AT&T in the United States, why would AT&T care if Apple makes a CDMA2K version or not? Just to keep it from coming to Verizon? And why would Apple continue to allow themselves to be bound to a contract like that which is expired in every other sense of the word? Once a contract is over, it should be over. And why would they agree to this especially when CDMA2K+EVDO systems are under operation outside of this country and this would impede Apple's ability to bring iPhones to those providers in other countries? (This is, of course, assuming that Apple has any intention to commit resources to building an EVDO version of their phone.)

I personally do not think Apple is going to waste time with an EVDO version, but I think this is because they have a long-term vision of how to best commit their engineering resources, not because of any such theoretical clause in their exclusivity agreement with 1 provider in 1 country they are contracted with out of many providers worldwide that carry the iPhone.

-- Nathan

 

[schwell]

Verizon pricing changes....

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100115/new-verizon-wireless-plans-available-monday/

 

[ToroidalZeus]

You rewrote your ideas like 20 times, lol

And why would Apple continue to allow themselves to be bound to a contract like that which is expired in every other sense of the word? Once a contract is over, it should be over.

Depends on what it says. If the contract states that AT&T will be the exclusive iphone carrier for 5 years then thats what the contract says. But that does not mean it also can not say that apple will not develop a CDMA version of the cell phone for 7 years.

Once the iPhone is no longer exclusive to AT&T in the United States, why would AT&T care if Apple makes a CDMA2K version or not?

If the iPhone came out on T-Moble, how many people would care? Unless T-moble dropped the required data plan on smart phones, very few people would bother switching to them.

And why would they agree to this especially when CDMA2K+EVDO systems are under operation outside of this country and this would impede Apple's ability to bring iPhones to those providers in other countries?

Most countries, actually i think all countries, that have CDMA also have GSM.

I personally do not think Apple is going to waste time with an EVDO version

Creating a CDMA iPhone is DAMN EASY. Considering Verizon was going to be the original iPhone carrier, it would not surprise me if apple has CDMA only or CDMA/GSM 'world phone' beta iPhones.

With that said apple is not like most companies. They don't do EVERYTHING in their power to make the most sales. That's why we still do not see a sub 500 dollar macbook. If anything apple would not make a CDMA iPhone simply because they do not want to confuse customers. I mean imagine how many people would go bitching at the genius bar for not being able to use their current iPhone in Verizon or Sprint.

 

[AHDuke99]

I hope Verizon does get the iPhone so AT&T's network will lose some of the data hungry iPhones, and we can watch verizon's network sputter a little.

 

[alm99]

Verizon iPhone confirmed for late 2nd quarter, early 3rd quarter release. Data solutions manager for VZW out the northeast area confirmed it. Someone I know personally.

 

[Applejuiced]

Verizon iPhone confirmed for late 2nd quarter, early 3rd quarter release. Data solutions manager for VZW out the northeast area confirmed it. Someone I know personally.

 

[azsprty]

Someone you know personally? Whew!!! guess thats settled then

 

[JUSTQUAN]

no disrespect to anyone, but who is really going to drop their iphones to run to verizon to get another iphone?? that would not make any sense. i could see if it was tmobile cause of the gsm. so verizon gets the phone, you are going to come up off another $250 - $350 maybe jus to switch a carrier??

 

[kdarling]

no disrespect to anyone, but who is really going to drop their iphones to run to verizon to get another iphone??

AT&T wouldn't lose the iPhone.

Those who need Verizon for in-calling relatives, and/or simply need the network coverage / stability in their area, would be the ones to switch from AT&T.

However, most of the Verizon sales would likely be to current Verizon customers.