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iPhone on Verizon Killed
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Or perhaps Apple also made the wrong original move, and now there's no excuse for them to continue to ignore 2/3 of the US market by staying exclusive.
Interestingly, while Apple went to Cingular about doing a phone back at the start of 2005, Cingular didn't sign a contract with Apple for it until summer 2006... eighteen months later... and just six months before it was publicly revealed.
It's one thing to ask a company to trust Jobs and make a contract to gamble with a vague concept that wouldn't be ready for years even after design started... a gamble which no one took... and quite another to do so for a device that was well along in development.
Totally agreed.
What if iPhone failed? Many phones fail each year. Was it really a 'big' gamble?
A nice idea, but not practical even for a company like Apple. It takes YEARS and YEARS to build out a cell phone network. You have to get city approval to erect towers and in some places that is quite difficult to do. If Apple had gone that route, we STILL wouldn't have the iPhone anywhere except perhaps confined to certain cities.
You think people complain about coverage now? AT&T would look wonderful compared to a coverage map for "Apple Cell" at this point in time.
We need a new term. Talking in 1G, 2G and 3G terms was great when confined to the iPod line. But not for discussions about cell phones as it gets too confusing with the 3G and 4G terms of the networks themselves. We need some different descriptions for the different phones. Otherwise we will have 6G phones running on 4G networks and how confusing will that be?
And now that I think about it, I am wondering just what Apples name of the next iPhone will be. Even they seem to have a hard time naming the thing. 3GS? Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue or mean anything to anyone at first glance. Perhaps they should start naming them like versions of OSX!!
A friend that works at Apple headquarters told me that they're releasing a Sprint iPhone with Wimax and should be released around June or July. I don't believe him one bit, but we shall see. Maybe they'll release some info at the upcoming Apple event.
I hate it when people say verizon attacked apple and the iPhone with those adds!!!
Not once did verizon ever say anything bad about the iPhone! They actually said that the iPhone was a nice device and that it could do all these new things and that the toys were wondering why such a great device would be on the "island of misfit toys" then it showed at&t's map.... I encourage you all to look at the adds again and really look and show me where they take a stab at apple..
Not once did verizon ever say anything bad about the iPhone! They actually said that the iPhone was a nice device and that it could do all these new things and that the toys were wondering why such a great device would be on the "island of misfit toys" then it showed at&t's map.... I encourage you all to look at the adds again and really look and show me where they take a stab at apple..
I don't think they necessarily did. They are #2 next to RIM who have many business orders for those phones in bulk. The iPhone is a success and has hurt Verizon more by not carrying the iPhone albeit more in mindshare than in profits.
This was also their first step into this industry and was probably best for them to develop a phone under what is a worldwide standard in GSM. If their contract is up they have to take that next step and be carrier agnostic. They're currently projected to sell more iPhones worldwide this year than in the US.
From what I understood from the Wired article, which was the only one that had an in-depth regarding this, it was further along than being just a concept when Jobs had gone to the carriers. He just refused to show it until a deal was in place.
In tech, the one person I would never bet against is Jobs. From various reports he took Apple, from a month away of being out of business, to what it is now. He built Apple twice, Next (which eventually became OSX) and Pixar. Those are the rare kind of people you follow blindly. Verizon may have thought they were doing the right thing, but in retrospect, it clearly was the wrong move.
I can guarantee you that when Apple went to these publishers without mentioning the tablet that they were more than eager to sign up.
true but apple responded bashing verizon for not being able to do data and voice at the same time.
You really couldn't be more wrong. LTE does use some of the GSM core network regarding authentication and the like but it's a totally new thing. Not backward/forward compatible at all.
Also, LTE isn't the outright replacement most people seem to think. There are things GSM/UMTS/CDMA support that LTE doesn't. Like making phone calls. LTE doesn't support circuit-switched voice and there's still no agreement on a standardized way to do VoIP (packet voice) over it.
UMTS has a LONG future, and with HSPA7.2 and HSPA+ can provide more than enough bandwidth for handsets, including smartphones for years into the future. Telus and Bell in Canada just overlaid their whole CDMA network with HSPA+ recognizing this fact.
HSPA+ is as fast as a good home cable connection. LTE's main benefit is efficiency, not speed. It'll be great to have LTE in places like New York and San Francisco to reduce network load - but hurrying up and getting HSPA+ rolled out would be the better choice for the rest of the country.
don't let the truth get in the way of a good story eh..?
second to RIM? so Nokia's marketshare is irrelevant?
maybe you think the world starts in Cali and ends in Maine? If you do remember the iPhone will sell more outside the US than within it this year.
with regards to Steve Jobs I will say you should get a copy of iCon.... the book he tried to ban. Very revealing and telling that having failed to get it banned he has never disputed its' content.
http://www.amazon.com/iCon-Steve-Jo...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263204201&sr=8-1
who invented Mac, who invented iPod etc...
check it out.
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Nokia's large cellphone market share comes from selling throwaway phones. Their market share for smartphones has been on a steep downward trajectory for 4 years now. In fact it's now being said that RIM and Apple are consuming 70% of all smartphone profits.
As to your second paragraph, is this supposed to mean I'm biased towards the US? I mentioned RIM as the marketplace smartphone leader and they're a Canadian company. I guess my sight extends a little further than the area between California and Maine.
It doesn't matter who specifically invented these products. That's not the job of a CEO. The job of the CEO is to have a vision, properly apply it and to hire the right people. He is the best at it. I've never said Jobs was a great guy. Most geniuses aren't. All evidence has pointed to the fact that he is not an approachable person.
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i just purchased an iphone and still within the 30 contract. after hearing about a possible 4g update should i opt out and wait for the next one to come out. if it's the 27th and doesn't go on sale till later i will be out of the 30 day window and have to wait 2 years.
advise please those of you who are with at&t. what should i do. i would really rather have the updated iphone. i was expecting a july release.
advise please those of you who are with at&t. what should i do. i would really rather have the updated iphone. i was expecting a july release.
Why are you confusing Apple and AT&T?
There is also a big difference between pointing out a weakness and bashing.
You are the one that bashing people and act like a know-it-all.
No, this is why they didnt agree and thats what they were shown and they thought its going to be like that.
Its all assumptions, noone knows the deals and negotiations that went on behind closed doors. Your assumption is no better than anyone elses out there.
The only thing is for sure is that Verizon is kicking themselves in the ass for turning Apple down and will do anything get a 2nd chance.
The battle
no offense but i would love the iphone to come to verizon but its not going to happen. this is the battle between android/google vs. apple ... apple is not going to give up i predict they are going to renew there conrtact with AT&T
however if what this thread say is true they would probably announce that apple a contract with verizon but again the chances of that happening are...zip
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no offense but i would love the iphone to come to verizon but its not going to happen. this is the battle between android/google vs. apple ... apple is not going to give up i predict they are going to renew there conrtact with AT&T
however if what this thread say is true they would probably announce that apple a contract with verizon but again the chances of that happening are...zip
i-cno offense but i would love the iphone to come to verizon but its not going to happen. this is the battle between android/google vs. apple ... apple is not going to give up i predict they are going to renew there conrtact with AT&T
however if what this thread say is true they would probably announce that apple a contract with verizon but again the chances of that happening are...zip
not sure i follow your argument. seeing as how ATT will have Android based phones as well. whether the iPhone makes it onto Verizon or any other carrier has nothing to do with any other phones, it has everything to do with Apple getting the deal they want.
wanna check those 'worldwide' Nokia smartphone figures
once more for luck?
here's a clue.. Apple has increase 1% since then...
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what deal? moving to verizon? I doubt that is in there interest... they have the what they want .. what was trying to say is that the Android phones are iphone competiton .. every smart phone wants to be better than the iphone .. if apple went to verizon their would be competiton.. Apple is going to stay with at&t
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what deal? moving to verizon? I doubt that is in there interest... they have the what they want .. what was trying to say is that the Android phones are iphone competiton .. every smart phone wants to be better than the iphone .. if apple went to verizon their would be competiton.. Apple is going to stay with at&t
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Considering you should know better, I'm a little confused. When you say "request for privacy", doesn't this request only cover CERTAIN confidential details of the device, but not ALL of the details? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I remember checking into this.
For instance, wouldn't the request only be able to block "photographs", "specifications" and certain "descriptions", but that people would see the general description of the submission still publicly posted?
I felt clear Steve Jobs' original statement referred to having ANY details tipped off by the FCC, rather than making an official announcement themselves. --Unlike a patent application, an FCC certification is about the intent to offer a product on the market... so, if ANY details appear in public notices... they're tantamount to an official announcement. At least that's been my understanding.
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This rumor seems unnaturally crappy in terms of quality. The whole "4G" chatter seems highly premature regarding any network rollout status (whether Verizon or not). Why is this even entertained?
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what deal? moving to verizon? I doubt that is in there interest... they have the what they want .. what was trying to say is that the Android phones are iphone competiton .. every smart phone wants to be better than the iphone .. if apple went to verizon their would be competiton.. Apple is going to stay with at&t
of course Apple wants to be on Verizon, it opens up an entirely new market of phone users to them. but they aren't going to just put it on the Verizon network, they will try to get the best deal from Verizon possible, just like they did with AT&T. if Verizon wants to play ball this time around you can be sure the iPhone makes it onto that network regardless of what other phones they may sell.
this notion competition preventing the iPhone from Verizon makes no sense, every carrier has mutiple branded phones all looking to out do each other, so what's the big deal about the iPhone being one of them, just as it already is currently on AT&T (last time i checked AT&T has plenty of other phones, and will have Android phones too). if anything the fact that Verizon now has some desirable phones that people are considering as an alternative to an iPhone would make Apple want to get into that market and give people who want to stay on Verizon the alternative of taking an iPhone but didn't want to switch carriers. otherwise Apple takes the risk of indirectly helping to build the Android user base because within that user base are potential iPhone users.
but like i said Apple isn't that desparate just to allow the iPhone onto Verizon's network, Verizon will need to be willing to give Apple the deal they want.
There are several pieces to the privacy options for an FCC application:
1) You can ask that the approval process be put off until a certain day (such as the week before you put a device on sale)... although that is risky, since approval could take more time than you expected. But it keeps your submittal secret until then.
2a) The approval itself, once completed, cannot be kept secret. It will be posted on the FCC site. So will the test results, and a drawing of where the FCC label will go. (Which usually gives away the device shape.)
2b) However, you can ask that photographs, user manuals, etc be kept secret for a short period after approval to give you time to get ready for sale. After that, those manuals and photographs become public.
3) Yet even then, you can ask that schematics and tuning manuals be kept secret forever.
PS: If you want to be really secretive, you hire an FCC certified third party approval agency. They are authorized to review your submittal and grant you approval. This lets you guarantee a certain date... even the day you start selling if you wish. I'm not sure if this can be done for cell phones, though. I've only ever submitted non-radio computers to the FCC.