iPhone on Verizon Killed

[MonkeyET]

Verizon has to tote the Droid as better than the competition. In viewing the commercial they talk about what the droid has. From the rumors I have heard, several of the issues may be addressed with the new iPhone version. Also, companies do this all the time. They deny a new product or talk about the competition up until the day they announce the new product. What about the new news about the new Qualcomm chip?

Think about Verizon as well. Would you not run a commercial that highlights how you new product (which exists) is better than a competitor's version that has a chance of coming to your network (does not yet exist)? There is no way the company would adjust a "maybe" for an "in the books product"...

This being said, I cannot wait for a Verizon version. Somehow all the excitement about the Android system is not enough to get me to stray from the possibility of an Apple product on my carrier. Of course I have until Oct. til my contract runs out. At that point I will have to get a new phone of some sort...

 

[Gix1k]

Gosh I hope a new phone is announced. I am getting new phone itchy I'm the worst way. HTCs are killing me.

 

[AHDuke99]

The only way the new iPhone is announced in January is if the FCC has to approve something and they don't want the FCC being the ones to break it.

It would be surprising if Verizon didn't get the iPhone. I mean, they attacked it during Christmas and such, so it didn't mean likely that Apple was in talks with them during that time. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

 

[Hmac]

I call BS.

 

[macfan881]

i found the link here:

http://geeksmack.net/index.php/appl...one-4g-alongside-tablet-on-january-27th-event

who is geeksmack anyway? i wouldnt count anything out till engadget or one of the more bigger name sites report it anyway this is probaly just random reporting just to get Hits..

 

[DakotaGuy]

Oh I bet Google is just licking their chops with this tidbit of information if true. No Apple competition on the nation's largest carrier. That's how you get your foot in the door and build market share.

According to this the Droid has sold a better then expected 1.2 million units since launch in November.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-biz-motorola-ces-sanjay-jha-jan07,0,3802572.story

Now the Nexus One is being launched and who knows what other Android phones will show up on Verizon (or T-Mobile, Sprint, and AT&T) and Apple is going to stay exclusive to AT&T.

I know that 1.2 million units since November doesn't sound like much compared to the iPhone, but it's a good start with a lot of other good Android phones coming out this year.

 

[Markisss88]

who is geeksmack anyway? i wouldnt count anything out till engadget or one of the more bigger name sites report it anyway this is probaly just random reporting just to get Hits..

agreed, this link is BS

 

[thegoldenmackid]

Perhaps I shall just make the Verizon rule. If it has anything to do with the iPhone going to Verizon - it's not true.

 

[topherg]

BS... I hope! ATT sucks balls in los angeles! I'm so close to going to verizon but holding out in hopes of a verizon iphone

 

[Musicmaniac101]

Lol ya right

I'm pretty sure that Verizon is going to go with it for a couple of reasons. Number one, Verizon has the most users in the nation, Apple couldn't pass that up. Two, Verizon executives met with Apple 3 times within the last 6 months. Three, rumors have it that the tablet will run on Verizon as well. As for the ad campaigns, well you can't expect Verizon to wait until July to try to get their smartphone sales up. It wouldn't surprise me if Verizon warned Apple that they were going to do it, so that they wouldn't mess up their deal. Oh and another reason, At&t still doesn't have a viable 4G network in plans, Verizon does. Verizon's 4G network is set to be available mid 2011. And one last reason, is recently CEO of Verizon made a statement saying that they specifically beefed up their network now just in case iPhone came to Verizon. As for the bit about Apple not making a CDMA iPhone, they already do. They have CDMA versions for other countries than the us who don't yet use GSM networks. The only thing that Apple tried to do was use a dual chip that could read both types, but that recently fell through due to an inability of Qualcom to produce enough in time for the release of the new iPhone. No sorry to say this article is bogus. Way to many reasons for Apple to go Verizon. They after all have the best customer service ratings, I bet you they want good ratings on their networks too.

 

[thelatinist]

Oh and another reason, At&t still doesn't have a viable 4G network in plans, Verizon does. Verizon's 4G network is set to be available mid 2011.

Not true. AT&T is upgrading their backhaul to implement HSDPA 7.2 as we speak, and are doing so with fiber-optics with the expressed intention of rolling out LTE starting in 2011. They may be slightly behind Verizon when it comes to 4G, but not by much.

As for the bit about Apple not making a CDMA iPhone, they already do. They have CDMA versions for other countries than the us who don't yet use GSM networks.

No, this also is simply not true. Apple has never sold a CDMA phone. All iPhones are GSM-only.

 

[thetexan]

Why would Apple want to go to Verizon? Its a CDMA is a dying technology.

So is GSM. What's your point?

 

[Markisss88]

lets just all hope that it does come to Verizon

 

[VenusianSky]

So is GSM. What's your point?

I believe 4G and LTE is built on GSM technology, so more accurately, GSM is dying term. In addition, I believe LTE is backwards compatible with GSM, so 3G/EDGE phones will work on that network. I may be wrong though.

 

[ob81]

Very close call. It could go either way I guess. The Verizon commercials did seem weird, only if they were talking to Apple prior to the campaign though.

We will have to see.

 

[schwell]

I doubt Jobs ever visited Verizon, and it certainly wasn't a quick decision.

According to the WSJ and other histories, Apple reps tried off and on for almost a year to get Verizon to make a deal for their phone project.

Of course, Apple never showed it to them (it didn't even exist for most of that time), so the only example Verizon could go from was the last so-called iPod phone: the ROKR. Not exactly a glowing example. Even Jobs hated that one.

Yeah it would have been totally ridiculous for Verizon to have condidered the iPhone from Apple without seeing the final product. I mean Apple is just some fly by night company without a track record of producing any worthwhile or profitable devices.

I bet Verizon moved off their fat butts and were a bit more receptive when Google approached them after the iPhone's success.

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Exactly, do you think they will announce a new iPhone 6 months after the 3gS was released?

I don't get why this is so hard to fathom. Why is Apple locked into a 1 year cycle?

They're not.

You think Apple cares that people are locked into 2 year contracts? Obviously not since they have up until now been releasing iPhones on an annual cycle. Releasing the next iPhone at the end of the month would greatly increase their sales. I can only imagine the number of 3GS owners that would be scrambling to sell their phones to get the latest and greatest. Plus there's quite a few 1st generation adopters that have been waiting for the next iteration to upgrade. This is no secret.

I'm not saying that I think it's going to happen. I'm just tired of seeing everybody preach the "iPhones come out in summer" bit. You really think Apple likes being labeled as "predictable"?

 

[patdesignsinc]

Let's stop the back and forth on this Verizon issue right here. This is why Verizon will NOT get the iphone this year or next... 3G. You cannot use data and phone simultaneously on Verizon's 3G network like you can with AT&T. Granted, the pretty little red map compared to the blue map speaks volumes in terms of overall US coverage, but do you really think Apple will sell the iPhone to a company who can't even use the phone for what they advertise it to do? Apple glorifies their phone as an internet browser phone and they tout the fact that you can talk to somebody on the phone while looking up directions on maps or a phone number on an app. You can NOT do this on Verizon. So why would Apple want to put a strangle hold on one of their best selling products? It will not happen anytime in the near future and I seriously doubt it will happen at all.

 

[carlgo]

I thought they agreed to drop the commercials attacking each other's networks? The Verizon coverage map commercials are a lot better than whatever AT&T is talking about. Game show contestants calling so you can talk and simultaneously get a Google answer in 1.5 seconds...nobody believes that.

It just doesn't seem wise to disregard the vast Verizon network. Nobody cares about chips and tower technology. They only want to make phone calls and be able to surf and text and twitter or whatever. It is up to the networks to keep the teats on their cash cows clean and healthy so that the money will keep flowing.

 

[APPLEFAN8]

It's weird I looked up Verizon Iphone on google and the article came up last night but now I looked it up and it's gone. From what I see, looks like they took it off google news. Weird.

 

[kdarling]

I believe 4G and LTE is built on GSM technology, so more accurately, GSM is dying term. In addition, I believe LTE is backwards compatible with GSM, so 3G/EDGE phones will work on that network. I may be wrong though.

Despite common marketing hype and fanboy myths, LTE is not GSM based.

LTE is a new 4G standard. While it can be used alongside older GSM and CDMA2000 networks, it is not natively backward compatible with either one. It uses totally different radios and an all-IP backend. Basically, it'll coexist beside the older networks.

In order to fall back from LTE to either CDMA or GSM, a device would need to also have those older radios.

Very close call. It could go either way I guess. The Verizon commercials did seem weird, only if they were talking to Apple prior to the campaign though.

As pointed out elsewhere, Verizon's map ads never dissed the iPhone. And Apple's voice+data ad never mentioned Verizon by name. Only Motorola's Droid ads brought up the "i Don't" phrase.

Yeah it would have been totally ridiculous for Verizon to have condidered the iPhone from Apple without seeing the final product. I mean Apple is just some fly by night company without a track record of producing any worthwhile or profitable devices.

Hindsight is nice, but Apple has had failures, and certainly had bad luck with the only iPod phone Verizon knew about in 2005.

Combine that with Apple's desire to not allow a subsidy, not sell through other stores, not have GPS or 3G in the first model, not allow insurance, and it's understandable why Verizon declined such a bad sounding deal. But note that most of those dealbreakers have disappeared over the years.

Let's stop the back and forth on this Verizon issue right here. This is why Verizon will NOT get the iphone this year or next... 3G. You cannot use data and phone simultaneously on Verizon's 3G network like you can with AT&T.

That didn't stop Apple with its first EDGE only model. And it didn't stop them selling later models sold to areas without 3G.

I thought they agreed to drop the commercials attacking each other's networks?

They only agree to drop their suits. ATT realized that all it was doing was giving bad publicity about how limited their 3G coverage was.

 

[alent1234]

Despite common marketing hype and fanboy myths, LTE is not GSM based.

LTE is a new 4G standard. While it can be used alongside older GSM and CDMA2000 networks, it is not natively backward compatible with either one. It uses totally different radios and an all-IP backend.

In order to fall back from LTE to either CDMA or GSM, a device would need to also have those older radios.



As pointed out elsewhere, Verizon's map ads never dissed the iPhone. And Apple's network ad never mentioned Verizon by name. Only Motorola's Droid ads brought up the "i Don't" phrase.



Hindsight is nice, but Apple has had failures, and certainly had bad luck with the only iPod phone Verizon knew about in 2005.

Combine that with Apple's desire to not allow a subsidy, not sell through other stores, not have GPS or 3G in the first model, not allow insurance, and it's understandable why Verizon declined such a bad sounding deal. But note that most of those dealbreakers have disappeared over the years.



That didn't stop Apple with its first EDGE only model. And it didn't stop them selling later models sold to areas without 3G.



They only agree to drop their suits. ATT realized that all it was doing was giving bad publicity about how limited their 3G coverage was.

i read telecom newsletters and they said that for VZW to go to LTE all they have to do is change to fiber on the back haul and add some other backend equipment. the towers and radios stay the same

 

[beamer8912]

I call BS.

The iPhone 4G won't launch until June/July-ish and that is backed up by three years worth of launches. And the fact that Apple always updates on a very predictable, very regulated basis.

Thus, if Apple did announce a 4G iPhone in 2 weeks they would KILL any 3GS sales from now until the 4G came out.

So no. Apple will not be announcing the iPhone 4G in 2 weeks.

This article reeks of BS.

I don't get why this is so hard to fathom. Why is Apple locked into a 1 year cycle?

They're not.

You think Apple cares that people are locked into 2 year contracts? Obviously not since they have up until now been releasing iPhones on an annual cycle. Releasing the next iPhone at the end of the month would greatly increase their sales. I can only imagine the number of 3GS owners that would be scrambling to sell their phones to get the latest and greatest. Plus there's quite a few 1st generation adopters that have been waiting for the next iteration to upgrade. This is no secret.

I'm not saying that I think it's going to happen. I'm just tired of seeing everybody preach the "iPhones come out in summer" bit. You really think Apple likes being labeled as "predictable"?

Yes, in fact, I do think they like being labeled as predictable. If you haven't noticed THIS WEBSITE has a section called "BUYER'S GUIDE". It says exactly when to and when not to upgrade based on Apple's tendencies to update their products on a very regular basis.

Well come to Apple my friend. Things don't change.

 

[alent1234]

I don't get why this is so hard to fathom. Why is Apple locked into a 1 year cycle?

They're not.

You think Apple cares that people are locked into 2 year contracts? Obviously not since they have up until now been releasing iPhones on an annual cycle. Releasing the next iPhone at the end of the month would greatly increase their sales. I can only imagine the number of 3GS owners that would be scrambling to sell their phones to get the latest and greatest. Plus there's quite a few 1st generation adopters that have been waiting for the next iteration to upgrade. This is no secret.

I'm not saying that I think it's going to happen. I'm just tired of seeing everybody preach the "iPhones come out in summer" bit. You really think Apple likes being labeled as "predictable"?

little details like
coding and testing the OS

coding the new SDK which is like 2GB

dev previews of the iphone OS and SDK to get them familiar with the new functions and features. not like programmers just automatically know everything. they have to learn the new functions.

Toshiba is still sampling the new NAND tech they have. unless Apple wants to keep the storage the same

FCC certification of the new device

working with Foxconn to set up the assembly line, order parts, work out the financials, and a million other details.

work out a contract with AT&T on price and subsidy

make sure suppliers can actually supply all the parts that Apple orders. you don't just wish 10 million ARM CPU's into existence. and you can't just make an extra 10 million a quarter because Apple wants it. read up on Intel's Fabs and what it takes to make CPU's and expand a production facility

 

[AMessy]

I call BS.

The iPhone 4G won't launch until June/July-ish and that is backed up by three years worth of launches. And the fact that Apple always updates on a very predictable, very regulated basis.

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Predictable with phones maybe. If you've ever waited for the PowerBook G4 and the G5 which never came,they were anything but predictable