My guess is Verizon will get an iPhone when Qualcomm can produce 20 million quad-band LTE/GSM/HSDPA/CDMA2000 chipsets per quarter, and not before.
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Apple tends to sell its products globally, not regional. Then again, there is precident for a country-specific iPhone. From what I remember, China's iPhone is lacking Wifi (or something).
Still, say that Verizon has 70 million customers. Optimistically, let's say that 1% of Verizon's customers buy the iPhone. That's less than 1 million sales of the phone. And compared to the iPhone's
That hasn't been confirmed by either Verizon or Apple.
Companies generally don't "warn" competitors of their advertising plans. Why would Verizon give AT&T and Apple any sort of strategic marketing advantage like that? As for the tablet, I wouldn't be surprised to see that on Verizon as well as other carriers since it presumably would only be a data device, not a voice device.
Available sure. But how widespread will it be? I'm pretty sure AT&T has plans to roll out their 4G network in roughly the same timeframe - no later than 2012.
Nothing more than posturing on the part of the Verizon CEO to make people feel more confident about sticking with them instead of switching.
Name one.
Which, if true, makes it even less likely for Apple to release a CDMA specific device that will be obsolete by the time the two-year contract is over.
I just don't buy Apple releasing the phone on a non-GSM network until the next generation of phone technology is in place and well established.
No sir, if anything it would be the opposite of that, as Verizon has some fiber anyway and a partially IP based backend.
LTE requires new radios (OFDMA etc) and antennae (for 700MHz band).
Especially since Apple seems to like to use the same engineers between several projects... and tablet work could delay phone work.
Note that FCC certification is done this way: you pay an outside lab to test your device. When you know it'll pass, you submit those results to the FCC along with a request for privacy if you wish, and the FCC more or less rubber stamps the tests within a few weeks.
So the story Jobs gave about not letting the FCC give the iPhone away was pretty much BS. The main reasons he revealed it ahead of time, were
1) to let people plan on getting out of their phone contracts
2) get months of free hype, and
3) to jump ahead of the announcements of other all touch phones that were coming out at that time... so he could be the "first".
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I stopped paying attention when they said Apple would be announcing the next gen iPhone.
I stopped paying attention when they said Apple would be announcing the next gen iPhone.
Just thought I would highlight this...
And I never said anything about a release at the end of the month.
It was also because Apple didn't have an existing product like it on the market. If Apple were to announce a new iPHone this month that wouldn't be released until a later date (i.e. more than a week), it would make a dent in current phone sales. Apple isn't stupid.
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Ahem.
As of last July, Admob claims there were over 13 million ATT iPhones being used, out of ATT's own total count of over 16 million sales... which was 50% of all world iPhones ever at the time.
Most analysts think that Verizon would sell at least 7-8 million iPhones.
That's for a quarter, not monthly. By the end of 2009, figure 21 million 3GS phones sold. Seven or eight million more would not be chickenfeed.
Even Palm is making both CDMA and GSM. It's not rocket science, and it's not expensive.
Many/most of the recent Verizon smartphones (HTC, Samsung, RIM) have been dual CDMA+GSM.
Nope. The OS doesn't need rewriting. The original iPhone model couldn't do that, and current models can't either without 3G access.
They can't even get 3G fully rolled out. Paying for LTE radios would be another huge strain on their budget, which is why they're upgrading their current 3G network instead.
A true and brilliant point. We've already seen that iPhone sales drop off a cliff each Spring.
Yes, but that's taken 3 years to attain? And in three years, Verizon will have long since begun to roll out the 4G network.
It that quarterly or annually?
My mistake. You're right. It's quarterly. I've edited my post to reflect that change. Good catch.
I agree that's it's not super difficult. Bu tI don't think it's as simple as many would believe, either. I think the point I was trying to make (and didn't) was that the R&D required - no matter how minimal - wouldn't be worth it to roll out a CDMA-only phone.
Stupid AT&T
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Apple exploring other carriers in the US. But I still think it would be T-Mobile before Verizon - at least with the current generation of phone.
I didnt read through the whole thread so maybe this was mentioned but:
this supposed leak is very flawed, why would Apple announce a new iphone on January 27th? and kill sales of their current 3Gs iphone until they release the new one in June or so? that makes absolutely no sense at all.
the only time Apple announced an iphone early was for the very first one since there was no iphone currently on the market to step on. I call false and an attempt to drive traffic to their website.
this supposed leak is very flawed, why would Apple announce a new iphone on January 27th? and kill sales of their current 3Gs iphone until they release the new one in June or so? that makes absolutely no sense at all.
the only time Apple announced an iphone early was for the very first one since there was no iphone currently on the market to step on. I call false and an attempt to drive traffic to their website.
Odd, my EDGE iPhone can't do voice and data at the same time, maybe Apple can make a phone that can't do both at the same time...
The first iPhone wasn't marketed to do data and phone simultaneously, genius. Their iPhone 3G and 3GS models are now marketed to be able to do both, that's WHY they made the 3G iPhone in the US... it was one of their main selling points. So why would they market their 3G phone to say "with Apple's iPhone, you can call your friends and tell them to meet you at the sushi restaurant. While on the call you can provide directions and even the phone number" and then turn around and give the phone to an inferior technology that can't even do what the phone was marketed to do? Makes no sense. It's like trying to sell a $100,000 sports car in a country who has no roads.
Apple only made those commercials as a sticking point for one tech, notice they never showed that in any of the commercials until recently. As a matter of a fact all iPhones (except the China model) can be on WiFi and be on a phone call at the same time.
I remember when the original iPhone came out, with no 3G. The excuse then was no one needed it cause WiFi was everywhere, or that it was too new of tech and Apple isn't on the cutting edge like that. Now all of a sudden if you can't talk and surf the web at the same time (which if any one owned the original iPhone they could only do that on WiFi) the underlying radio tech is garbage.
Thoughts?
So what would people suggest? I have been longing for an iPhone since the first one was released and have finally reached the end of my current contract. Should I go a head and buy the iPhone now on ATT? Or wait until the 27th? Or convince myself that after 2 years of waiting another 6 months is worth it, and wait until July? I am open to any and all suggestions!
So what would people suggest? I have been longing for an iPhone since the first one was released and have finally reached the end of my current contract. Should I go a head and buy the iPhone now on ATT? Or wait until the 27th? Or convince myself that after 2 years of waiting another 6 months is worth it, and wait until July? I am open to any and all suggestions!
The front page of this forum under the iphone forums says that iPhone is coming to Verizon. The article on this site says that Apple made a deal with Qualacom to buy the chips for EVDO based iPhones ie Verizon. Please take a look at the article and report back. See if I am reading this right.
If I were you, I'd wait another 6 months. If you buy a 3GS now, you'll love it. However, you will hate it even more come June 2010. Trust me.
Ahem.
Okay.
Guess I should've made it more clear that I wasn't calling for a January release. I was just highlighting the fact that everybody believes Apple's release schedule is set in stone.
Apple no longer makes an EDGE phone. I find it unlikely they'd regress to a phone that can't do data and voice simultaneously when they have been promoting that feature in their commercials lately.
Which, ironically, was in response to Verizon's map campaign.
Yes, you're reading it correctly. But you have to realize that is pure unsubstantiated rumor, and no one knows if this actually happened or if it was simply Qualcom releasing some BS in order to placate their customers.
Maybe you could also read the name of this site while you're at it. It's called MacRUMORS.
Predictable with phones maybe. If you've ever waited for the PowerBook G4 and the G5 which never came,they were anything but predictable
So you're saying either it will come in june as predicted or not at all. So either way it WON'T be announced in two weeks. Which still makes this article BS.
It makes sense if you are trying to stem the tide of Google related phones and buzz. How many sales are they losing already to the Android platform? I've seen quite a few post from people getting Droids, and Nexus ones. If the number is predicted to be higher then the number of 3GS sales that you would lose, then it makes perfect sense. Would you rather have a customer 6 months from now, or not at all?
Although even this 6 month logic is flawed. The marketplace is dynamic. What was done in the past isn't necessarily the correct action for the future. Android wasn't much of a threat when this summer release cycle was put into place. It is starting to be one now. That changes things. I could easily see things getting bumped up to May, April or even March.
I think there's a little bit of confusion here. Current iPhone models support WCDMA, also known as UMTS. They also support GSM. WCDMA is not compatible with Verizon's CDMA2000 network, but is compatible with non-GSM networks such as XT (NZ) and NextG (Australia).
UMTS is a broad set of standards that encompasses EDGE, 3G Voice, HSDPA and, soon, LTE. It is a successor technology to 2G technology like GSM and CDMA2000 and, yes, it does utilize a form of code-division multiple-access technology...but it has nothing to do with what most people think of as CDMA. And most importantly, it is not an example of Apple making a different iPhone to accomodate a carrier; this is the same 3G technology used by AT&T and every other carrier that uses the iPhone.
I'd wager that most non-technical people, if they've heard that Verizon uses CDMA, would think that WCDMA phones would work too. That's what I was trying to get at, and I myself am well aware that they're different technologies.
I'm also aware that WCDMA and UMTS are different, but from the perspective of "normal" phone spec sheets they mean the same thing (eg. some phone makers list UMTS on the spec sheets and some list WCDMA. They're both talking about the same thing in that context).
I'm also aware that WCDMA and UMTS are different, but from the perspective of "normal" phone spec sheets they mean the same thing (eg. some phone makers list UMTS on the spec sheets and some list WCDMA. They're both talking about the same thing in that context).