Why do you say that? AFAIK Safari is one of, if not the most standard's compliant browser out there and I've not heard of any 'extentions'? Each browser, by standard, can have different graphics for the standard elements, like drop downs, etc. I greatly prefer Safari's over, say, Firefox but that's not a violation or extension of a standard.
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Why do you say that? AFAIK Safari is one of, if not the most standard's compliant browser out there and I've not heard of any 'extentions'? Each browser, by standard, can have different graphics for the standard elements, like drop downs, etc. I greatly prefer Safari's over, say, Firefox but that's not a violation or extension of a standard.
Remember that from where? A temp cache folder that you wont even be able to view?
I have a really bad feeling that they'll be bookmarks and require a connection, I just don't understand how they plan to organize apps.... it has to be bookmarks. If there was a touch finder with coverflow we would've heard by now.
oh.... i forgot about the "manage widgets" app, theres your 12th icon. No, really the 12th icon is "Games"..... and why does everybody refer to that as "the 1 missing icon" I see 5 slots.... and only 1 will be there release day, and you can be sure as hell apple wont let a 3rd party icon on the home screen.... they didnt even let google put one, maps is an Apple app.
Also, I'd be willing to say that the reason theres no flash is because Adobe wouldn't release the source to Apple and Apple wont release to Adobe.
I have a really bad feeling that they'll be bookmarks and require a connection, I just don't understand how they plan to organize apps.... it has to be bookmarks. If there was a touch finder with coverflow we would've heard by now.
oh.... i forgot about the "manage widgets" app, theres your 12th icon. No, really the 12th icon is "Games"..... and why does everybody refer to that as "the 1 missing icon" I see 5 slots.... and only 1 will be there release day, and you can be sure as hell apple wont let a 3rd party icon on the home screen.... they didnt even let google put one, maps is an Apple app.
Also, I'd be willing to say that the reason theres no flash is because Adobe wouldn't release the source to Apple and Apple wont release to Adobe.
Forgive me if someone has already said this in the 157,649 other iPhone threads...
It really makes me sad. It seems there is an inverse relationship between iPhone details and my interest in the device. Similarly, there is certainly an inverse relationship between iPhone details and Apple, Inc stock prices.
Hmmmm, maybe Steve and them stopped listening too soon.
It really makes me sad. It seems there is an inverse relationship between iPhone details and my interest in the device. Similarly, there is certainly an inverse relationship between iPhone details and Apple, Inc stock prices.
Hmmmm, maybe Steve and them stopped listening too soon.
Don't you know that both 'Nokia Internet Browser with MiniMapâ¢' and 'Apple iPhone Safari' are both Konqueror-based, so sometimes (during first versions of both) they even had very similar bugs.
He chose to make it Safari only by choice, not by a limitation. Since the iPhone (target audience) is a WebKit engine, Safari is a second best choice for accurate layout and function testing. Once iPhones are in the wild better apps will be designed to test these apps. For now, Safari is the best choice.
It would likely function in any browser, since CSS and JS are internet standards, but he chose to stick with Webkit since Firefox (mozilla) doesn't run on the iPhone.
I started testing OneTrip using the beta release of Safari 3 yesterday. The latest update I uploaded resulted in that ^ behavior in Safari 2. I'll look into it...
iPhone will almost certainly be running the same engine as Safari 3, so the app should hopefully look fine there. I guess my disclaimer at this point is weird - OneTrip runs best on unreleased hardware I don't own and have never used
I think he was refering to me and the fact that I have to have at least 3 different web browsers to do my job. IE for WUpdate, Safari for iPhone, Firefox for everything else, I could go on.... like online schools requiring IE on Win just to be able to goto class.
I'd like to see everything on the web work on everything, is that too much to ask? IMHO any web-browser should display the page the same.
IDK, I guess you could argue its the webmasters' fault, or the browsers lack of(insert here) but I think it's deeper than that....
I'd like to see everything on the web work on everything, is that too much to ask? IMHO any web-browser should display the page the same.
IDK, I guess you could argue its the webmasters' fault, or the browsers lack of(insert here) but I think it's deeper than that....
All I'm saying is don't confuse standards with implementation. IE and other MS products, and other products have extended open standards with proprietary standards, which in MS case become defacto standards due to market share.
If the standards bodies want to further define look and feel, great. Just don't think its going to happen.
What is theres no internet connection
SO does that mean that 3rd party app cannot be used without internet?
If they can be downloaded and stored localy then it will ge ok, but i was hoping they would allow widgets to be developed
SO does that mean that 3rd party app cannot be used without internet?
If they can be downloaded and stored localy then it will ge ok, but i was hoping they would allow widgets to be developed
No, WebKit is basked on KHTML. Konqueror is simply the main KDE browser based on KHTML (which was also used in the KDE Explorer and various other things).
Pages like OneTrip can hopefully be saved to local memory and read as such. There's really no need for a web-server to serve up simple html and javascript pages. The file system can do just as well.
However, pages that use AJAX to actually reach out to the Internet for data/storage, Internet connections will obviously be required.
Hmmm...
Anybody else thinking Windows Mobile is more like windows than iPhone is to OSX? I think Steve was extreamly misleading when he mentioned OSX in the same sentence as iPhone. I haven't seen anything beside core image/audio... Safari and iTunes don't count they're Win32 apps now, and last time I checked iphoto was sold seperatly. That being said, I'm goin to miss alot of things when my verizon contract ends the 30th. Granted, the things I use now on WM crash my phone 60% of the time...... touch TI83 Calc emu, PocketNES, WMV player to name a few, but they still will be missed.
Flip4mac might be nice on iPhone, at least then I could watch some streaming video(insert Edge joke here).... but that would require quicktime which iPhone doesn't reallly have.
It seems like Apple was like "Lets make a widescreen touch iPod w/ wifi" and the phone and browser were just tossed in, this should be called "iPod - Phone" not iPhone, certainly not a PDA or SmartPhone or even based on OSX, its based on itunes, thats it, period.
Anybody else thinking Windows Mobile is more like windows than iPhone is to OSX? I think Steve was extreamly misleading when he mentioned OSX in the same sentence as iPhone. I haven't seen anything beside core image/audio... Safari and iTunes don't count they're Win32 apps now, and last time I checked iphoto was sold seperatly
. That being said, I'm goin to miss alot of things when my verizon contract ends the 30th. Granted, the things I use now on WM crash my phone 60% of the time...... touch TI83 Calc emu, PocketNES, WMV player to name a few, but they still will be missed.Flip4mac might be nice on iPhone, at least then I could watch some streaming video(insert Edge joke here).... but that would require quicktime which iPhone doesn't reallly have.
It seems like Apple was like "Lets make a widescreen touch iPod w/ wifi" and the phone and browser were just tossed in, this should be called "iPod - Phone" not iPhone, certainly not a PDA or SmartPhone or even based on OSX, its based on itunes, thats it, period.
Anything will be better than the Windows Mobile
I had a windows mobile device (Ipaq) and it was horrible. Although I have a samsung blackjack now and it rocks. If they can get Ajax to run and run well and get some dev peeps really interested, the iphone will blow windows mobile devices out of the water.
I had a windows mobile device (Ipaq) and it was horrible. Although I have a samsung blackjack now and it rocks. If they can get Ajax to run and run well and get some dev peeps really interested, the iphone will blow windows mobile devices out of the water.
Absolutely
At this point yes. Windows Mobile allows directory searches and has just as bad of an attitude, but it WORKS and it's customizeable and allows 3rd party apps. There never was any guarantee that they would work perfectly, but the innovation remains.
As far down as I bow to Neven, it's remains a sincere attempt at rationalizing something that is obviously lacking--painfully--into something with some promise.
Here's to hoping that the iPhone's OS is something that will grow and evolve as Mac OS has done in the past. No guarantees.
Anybody else thinking Windows Mobile is more like windows than iPhone is to OSX? I havent seen anything beside core image/audio yet... Safari and iTunes don't count they're Win32 apps now, and last time I checked iphoto was sold seperatly
Flip4mac might be nice on iPhone, at least then I could watch some streaming video(insert Edge joke here).... but that would require quicktime which iPhone doesn't reallly have.
At this point yes. Windows Mobile allows directory searches and has just as bad of an attitude, but it WORKS and it's customizeable and allows 3rd party apps. There never was any guarantee that they would work perfectly, but the innovation remains.
As far down as I bow to Neven, it's remains a sincere attempt at rationalizing something that is obviously lacking--painfully--into something with some promise.
Here's to hoping that the iPhone's OS is something that will grow and evolve as Mac OS has done in the past. No guarantees.
Spot-on. the mystery app could very well be a finder like app, that contains bookmarks or customizable folders with bookmarks much like we have in Safari. That could integrate the cover flow too. So open the finder and select the app you want, which is really just a link to the webpage. Two to three clicks at the most!
On a side note, would it be possible to store the app off-line (and have it always run in Safari browser, so that other apps are not affected or so) and talk to internet only when desired, thus preventing excessive data calls.
I just wanted to clarify something:
I'm primarily a light web developer - this is why I made a web app. My hunch was that there would be no SDK and no allowance for Dashboard Widgets on iPhone in June, so I did the "next best thing" to solve a problem I knew I'd have - I've always wanted a simple shopping list on my phone. I also guessed (correctly, it seems) that Apple would recommend using web apps, so I had a reasonable hope that things like OneTrip wouldn't be just cutesy nerd toys.
Yes, it would have been better if Apple had announced a real SDK for iPhone. Not for me as a developer, but for me as a customer, and for most iPhone users and developers out there.
That said, we're stuck with what we're stuck with... And I'm doing what I can
I started testing OneTrip using the beta release of Safari 3 yesterday. The latest update I uploaded resulted in that ^ behavior in Safari 2. I'll look into it...
iPhone will almost certainly be running the same engine as Safari 3, so the app should hopefully look fine there. I guess my disclaimer at this point is weird - OneTrip runs best on unreleased hardware I don't own and have never used
Just finished reading through the thread. So my Safari 2 isn't crazy!
I also couldn't get it to work with that online emulator that someone produced a screenshot with. I got your blocking page for non-Safari browsers. Still loads fine with Nokia smartphones. Here's why:
It's even better than Nokia basing their open source Web Browser for S60 on KTHML and K-javascript-thing. The S60 browser is actually based on Webkit!
http://webkit.org/
Your shopping list would've worked fine on my Nokia E60 (like someone earlier reported with the E70) except for your Safari 3.0 update that causes the first item column to appear on the right side of the initial screen, making the application too wide for comfort. (E60 screen is 352x416 resolution, or 416x352 when rotating everything 90 degrees.)
I know you said you'll target only the iPhone, which is ok if you want to do so, but at least I'm going to try making something that works just as well on both the iPhone and the most common smartphone browser in the World.
My E60 is using Symbian S60 3rd Edition. Whatever it is that's making Safari 3 (and presumably the iPhone) behave differently may be included in the 3rd Edition Feature Pack 1 firmware release which I really should update to... Maybe someone who has already updated, or is using N95 or N93, can test the app. I know FP1 has other browser updates like showing Flash Lite 2 content within the browser.
Web is meant to be resolution independent so it shouldn't be too hard to make applications scale to window size. Differently sized iPhone screens will come sooner or later anyway.
If you'd like screenshots of your app from a Nokia E60, mail me. (golly at suomi24 dot fi)
Hopefully you get something lasting out of this sudden fame.
YES! this is my biggest question about this whole webkit app thing. do we need to be connected to the hosting server to use any kind of non-apple/non-core iphone app???!!? that would be ludicrous. the webkit idea for apps is nice and simple and secure and everything else steve said, but... not if it is also totally inconvenient and hobbling.
and it sort of sucks not to have icons/pages of icons for 3rd party apps, only bookmarks..? that's weak. the widget-maker he demo'd is fantastic, about time, well done, all that... we should have widgets on the iphone, yes. i agree. i guess they feel that compromised security too much...? perhaps they will change their minds.
Great Job!
Hi, not only is this a great application, this begins to shine light on what can be done with the iphone. Like others have said, I think it was great idea to allow developers to develop programs in this manner. I see this as being the way things will be done in the future. It allows for ur programs to be with you everywhere on any medium. Again, good job and I'm excited to see what else you can put together.
One suggestion: When you go to edit the list on the main screen, it would be nice if you can still see what was checked off so you can delete those items.
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Anthony
Hi, not only is this a great application, this begins to shine light on what can be done with the iphone. Like others have said, I think it was great idea to allow developers to develop programs in this manner. I see this as being the way things will be done in the future. It allows for ur programs to be with you everywhere on any medium. Again, good job and I'm excited to see what else you can put together.
One suggestion: When you go to edit the list on the main screen, it would be nice if you can still see what was checked off so you can delete those items.
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Anthony
Just wanted to let everyone know that OneTrip is now located at
OneTrip.org
Many, many, many thanks to Ambitious Lemon for hosting it!
OneTrip.org
Many, many, many thanks to Ambitious Lemon for hosting it!
