Perhaps the iPhone 6.1 will be known as the iPhone SE plus
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Is this rhetorical? Either way, You Seem to not accept criticism very well in your posts, but I will say it again, they are *not* going to name the iPhone with some asinine term with the moniker “Pro” behind it. There is literally _nothing_ Pro about a phone, at all. It Doesn’t matter how much tech is inside of it, the comparison that you used with other Apple products were inappropriately taken out of context that you can’t relate to the iPhone, because they all have different terminology (iPad, MacBook). So if that’s my argument, then clearly Apple seems to be sharing that same values considering the same points you were discussing never seems to happen on an annual basis.
This doesn’t make any sense. My point was, for at least the last XYZ years, it’s brought up that the iPhone should be named “Pro”, and it’s literally never happened.
An iPhone Pro may sound good, but it's [horrible] from a marketing perspective. I Mentioned it before, but to show the newest phones, Apple ages the oldest models by the numbering scheme. If that method change the future or not, is debatable, but it won’t be “Pro”. To sell new phones, Apple needs to age the old phones.
This is a prime example that you are severely conflating two different products that serve different purposes. The term “Pro” makes more sense in the iPad and Macbook, because those products don’t nearly upgrade as often annually, in which Apple doesn’t age those products like the iPhone, hence the numbering scheme specific to the iPhone that has always been prevalent. I think you’re taking your comparisons out of context and they’re not used appropriately.
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I don't agree regarding the 4" screen. It's inevitable that Apple will move away from the 4" screen sooner than later. However a lot of people, myself included, want something as small as the SE footprint. Hence why they will keep the size of the SE and eventually add Face ID and no bezels.Thats not the point of the SE - Its meant to be a) low cost and b) for those who want a 4 inch screen.
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Most people I know seem to think its the 5SE - like an enhanced 5S
They can keep the SE in the lineup and simply give it a spec update if the price point is truly important to them. At the same time they can also redesign the SE (Face ID, etc.) and call it something else entirely.
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No chance.
I think there is space for a premium smaller phone (iPhone X Mini or whatever) and the continuation of the current SE design for a while. I like my bezels, Touch ID and honestly find the X to be the worst iPhone ever, and the SE is literally the complete opposite.
Well with no hardware announced today, I’m sceptical if they will update th SE at all this year. Because Apple don’t hold hardware events throughout the year, just the one in September. And the rumours are only the three bigger phones coming then....
I agree - maybe September 2019. I guess that it depends on which countries the SE sells the largest amount to and how much the customer is will to pay. A beautiful X design with Face ID is not going to be cheap - £530-599 I reckon which may not appeal to its market. Plus many SE's are assembled in India, maybe the equipment/machinary isn't installed there yet/invested for the X style design!
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/29/kuo-casts-doubt-on-iphone-se-2/
Back to square one...
Ming-Chi Kuo Casts Doubt on iPhone SE 2, Expects Few Changes Should New Model Launch
The SE2 rumors (especially the notch design) make so little sense, it feels like bait designed to identify leakers.
Why would it be called iPhone X2? X is pronounced ten, so calling it X2 would mean its "Ten Two"...I NEVER understood the whole X2 rumor that has been passing around! Because there would NEVER be a grammatically incorrect "iPhone TEN TWO", if anything it'd be 11.
Agreed...why is it so hard for people to just read a roman numeral?
Maybe it will be iPhone XI......or maybe they’ll be cheeky and call it iPhone X.1 as the beginning of a new long term nai scheme...
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Hey, they did it with OS X for YEARS! Still doing it, actually. macOS 10.14? I wonder what macOS 11.0 will be like when it finally releases!!!
Why does it make little sense? Apple obviously wants ALL its devices to have Face ID, and what’s so wrong with that or a small all screen device with a 5” ish screen? I wouldn’t believe the pricing Min or whatever his name is has come out with wants pure guesswork.
Because:
1. The SE is intended to capture the emerging markets like India, SE Asia, and Africa. Last year, over 160 million "dumb" feature phones were sold in India. In other words, the majority of the customers there haven't even purchased their first smartphone. Apple isn't about to create a $500 smartphone with Face ID which is too small for U.S. and Chinese customers and too expensive for emerging markets.
2. The notch on a 4-5" device would be too big to have any usable space beside the notch. Apple can't magically shrink the size of the notch and still include the Face ID components. In other words, there would be engineering challenges putting the Face ID module in a small phone while retaining overall volume and battery life.
It would make far more sense for Apple to invest its engineering resources on developing 2 versions of the 6.1" model (single and dual-SIM), as Kuo has suggested.
124m smartphones were sold in India in 2017 alone. And most people upgrade their smartphones every 2-3 yrs in India.
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Considering you were so confident in the below post:
And the fact that again today Ming Kuo predicted that three new iPhones will launch in the fall with *No* mention of an iPhone SE at all, I think it’s fairly obvious that an SE is not going to be an option for 2018 at all. I don’t think the SE will be updated ever again, I think it was a one time offering, but if it is updated, highly unlikely until 2019.
Addrionally, I think some have become to immersed in all these conflicting iPhone SE rumors including face ID, an OLED panel, etc. And I think a lot of rumors are just a fan made art and renders that are completely fictional.
Point 1 is based on nothing more then your personal opinion. Has Apple officially stated publicly that the SE is built for developing markets first and foremost? And China was a developing market when it launched the iPhone not that long ago and it did so with its top of the range models.
Also I think you’ll find that the 4.7” iPhone is sell by more then we’ll enough in Europe and the US, if as you claim it isn’t why would Apple have updated it for a fourth time last year? Because an SE with bezelless screen will be bigger then 4.7”, and that’s not taking into account the SE has been sold in all major markets and still is since launch!
Point 2 is also an opinion and nothing more and assumes Apple are incapable of engineering the FaceTime components to take less space, and that’s despite the rumours we’ve had claiming they will be doing exactly that and reducing the notch size.
So I don’t find your argument to be valid at all. And also if the SE was meant as a cheap device for developing markets then they wouldn’t sell it in developed ones.
They actually have. On stage. But I want the smaller iPhone X mini too!
Fixed that.
We don’t need to get all worked up about speculations..neither of you can prove each other wrong about what may or may not come in the future. If anything, Apple has become less and less predictable about which product lines they will continue to support.
I have no idea what it will be called. It's simply easy for me to identify it as X2.
Also Apple should have simply called it 'X' not 'ten' and called the next X the X2.
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If the SE with Face ID doesn't come this fall I do believe it will become a reality in fall of 2019.
Tim Cook publicly said the SE strategy worked and Apple added millions of first-time smartphone users. The SE is being built in India. The SE is priced cheaper in India than in the U.S.
It’s about as clear as it gets the SE was designed for emerging markets. China was miles ahead of India even two decades ago.
Apple is capable of building a smaller TrueDepth module. Just not for 2018. Perhaps 2019. So Apple will launch their 6.5” iPhone with a regular notch and “SE2” with a mini-notch? No way.
Its just like Mac OS X was, and that was "ten" as well before they dropped the "ten" altogether.
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Probably when we finally get our PowerBook G5 next Tuesday
I think it’s a complete fantasy that others are believing that Apple will implement a notch into a 4 inch display. Even by mathematics, I’m not seeing much possibility with this. The SE’s future is very bleak at this point for 2018, maybe 2019, but I still think was a one time offering and Apple is going to continue to sell the iPhone SE until they decide to remove it from their lineup all together.
Notice how Ming Kuo didn’t even mention the SE at all yesterdays prediction with the focus on the three iPhones that are expected to launch in the fall. I think that’s another sign of the fate of the SE’s future.
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I don’t think anyone is implying that Face ID would be added to a 4” screen. If anything we get an SE sized device with Face ID, meaning it’s all screen sans notch like the X. Bumping the screen to roughly 5”.
Even if we don’t see this phone I’m describing this year I do believe it will come in fall of 2019.
Just selling a device in an emerging market in no way implies it is being built just for emerging markets. And I don’t think Apple has said that, they are nit advertising the SE as something for emerging markets only. Also I see in othe website news new case maker renders have appeared of the new 11 and it has a smaller notch. And the case makes and screen protector companies are still claiming their will be a new SE with a notch and X style design.
So whilst opinions can varie, currently the no X style SE ones are not backed up by the case makers, some of whom have a track record of being accurate with their leaks!
And their is absolutely nothing stopping Apple making the SE exclusively for those emerging markets eventually and then having a new SE priced higher for everyone else. This is the most likely outcome, I mean they like to sell 3 generation old iPhones!
Multiple rumors have indicated a notch with a 4 inch display. More so, then you have someone believing these ridiculous rumors that that Apple would consider this, given that it’s hardly feasible with all the hardware components to implement a notch on a 4 inch display. I understand others may not be entirely tech savvy, but throughout various SE threads, it’s evident conflicting rumors have others not understanding reality from fan made art.
Fall 2019? That’s so far off, the amount of changes that could occur from now until then could be substantial.
This is my overall prediction:
The SE was a one time device that was brought back simply for two things, to be affordable and a simple 4 inch iPhone. I Can’t tell you how many times I have read others are under the impression that “Apple should have updated SE by now”, “Why isn’t there an OLED iPhone SE with Face ID”, the ”SE should be an updated phone annually”, etc. I Think there are a lot of false assumptions, because there are those who don’t understand the smart phone market. And smart phone market is vastly minimal when it comes to the popularity of 4 inch iPhone, where the trend has clearly and exponentially grown towards larger smart phones, because they can include more technology and battery power.
I think Apple offering SE back in 2016 was great, but nothing says they have to bring this phone back, and I think they will continue to sell this phone until they decide to discontinue it in their lineup sometime in 2019, which at that point, I don’t believe the SE will be updated in the sense of what others are expecting.
Of course it will happen, we still have rumours and leaks from he case manifactures, some with proven track records on leaks, and screen protector manufactures it is happening! I believe them a hell of a lot more then some certain posters on here! Not ones I’ve replied to BTW.
I don't recall reading a single rumor that Face ID would come to a 4" screen. I also don't think the 4" screen is the main attraction when it comes to the SE. I think it's the footprint of the SE itself. Most current SE users IMO would be perfectly happy with an SE sized iPhone that is all screen.
I do believe such a device will be a reality. I simply can't say when. Ideally this fall. However at the latest fall of 2019. I would be shocked and disappointed if such a device never exists.
I don't think the SE has much value at this point in the iPhone lineup beyond being a cheap option for consumers. Perhaps one last refresh this fall with wireless charging and a spec update. But even that is not guarantee.
This. Footprint equals outer dimensions, not current screen size. I also believe there is sufficient demand for an X-style phone with around a 5” screen. I’d be similarly shocked and disappointed if Apple doesn’t eventually make it, but to be clear, I’m not confusing this potential future device with a refresh of the current SE. Different phone, different price point, different everything.
With the performance gains being reported on older devices running early iOS 12 builds, it’s even more believable to me that the current SE doesn’t need a spec update to A10 to stay in the lineup for another year. I wasn’t ready to accept that a month ago.