What I also don’t get is the rumors of canceling the X. Of course they will and produce the successor of it .
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What I also don’t get is the rumors of canceling the X. Of course they will and produce the successor of it .
Some were renders and fan made art, which many seemingly believed would have already happened, and...it didn’t. And case makers are about as reliable as a “screen protector” surfacing as a possible “Leak”, Which is kind of comical making news, but I digress. The reader has to make an informed decision on what they choose to believe, most of it is fiction.
However, Its obvious whoever purchases the iPhone SE, understands they’re simply buying it not to have the latest technology, but because it’s a one a handed phone that they want for portability and the ease of use without toting a large smart phone around.
I don’t think anyone’s debating that, I think others are saying that it’s been debunked how many times already that they’re not conforming to updating the SE at all. It won’t be in 2018, and I don’t think the SE will be refreshed. As I already mentioned before, there might be some consideration who would might appreciate an updated SE, but the market says otherwise where the trend is. I see the SE to further exist (Kind of like the iPod Touch), but won’t see much of an update until it’s discontinued from the iPhone lineup.
We know anything can happen, because it’s Apple, but they’re also so unpredictable. But to try to speculate 15 months Ahead is like rather meaningless. For example, even if they have an SE possibly in the making, so many things could change between now and then where it may never be a reality.
I also want to iterate that interestingly enough, Ming Kuo quickly mentioned the three iPhones (5.8/6.1/6.5) in another report right before WWDC and there was absolutely no mention of an iPhone SE, which to me, is enough to warrant the SE’s future existence is bleak.
This is where I think you’re completely wrong (Or maybe you’re not seeing the full concept behind the SE to begin with). It may not have much value to those who don’t want a 4 inch iPhone [Hence my comment about the market for demand for large phones] when they are considering to upgrade, but as a _global_ iPhone, it’s still very much relevant in being offered in countries {China/India} the option of having an iPhone which is affordable Over models like the iPhone X or even the iPhone 8, where they are considerably overpriced in those countries.
I think Apple realizes the SE is selling well globally, which I think they will continue to sell through 2019 before it’s discontinued all together.
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It does though. If you’re looking for a phone to last a while specially in emerging markets you want it to last as long as possible and adding an A10 would be helpful
Apple has taken to the car industry to age MacBooks and other Mac products, it’s the “2018 MacBook Pro” etc.
iPads have now gone down a similar route.
There’s no reason we can’t apply the same logic to iPhones.
I genuinely don’t under you’re post, more or less, you are insinuating a relation to the car industry to age MacBooks compared to the Pro moniker? Not following your logic here.
Anyone can apply whatever logic they want to believe, but that doesn’t make it a reality. There won’t be an iPhone name “Pro”, It’s really poor marketing and severe conflation over other products, let alone a Phone is a commodity, not a ‘Pro’ device. That’s been proven so many times before year after year with this being addressed.
Which means there hasn't been any substantial rumors of a 4" iPhone with Face ID. I mean case makers saying an SE sized device with full screen isn't exactly hugely substantial either but I haven't even seen a rumor suggesting a 4" SE Face ID device. Fan art is irrelevant.
I think meaningless is a bit much. We are discussing the possibility of an SE sized phone and when Apple would release it. A lot of us talk about when Apple would released future products on this forum.
How can I be wrong when I just remarked the appeal of the SE is the price?
Plenty of “Pros” use phones, just look at the stores with mobile checkouts etc. but that is irrelevant.
Pro could mean better cameras and people who want the best of the best.
You didn’t answer the question from your previous post, that said; and to be honest again, this also doesn’t make any sense. The “Pro” moniker refers to the title of the phone, not the user.
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I literally just said that, twice.
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I gather that. What I said was:
“But to try to speculate 15 months Ahead is like rather meaningless. For example, even if they have an SE possibly in the making, so many things could change between now and then where it may never be a reality.”
15 months in the tech world is like an eternity, and we don’t know what manufacturer plans Apple might have in place that can be altered or changed at any moment. That’s the nature of tech in general. So I think it’s *meaningless* to necessarily discuss what will release that far in advance, but in the sense of the SE is stagnant at this point and they’re not updating it after over two years, which by that time, would be 3 1/2 years from the time it was updated based you said “Fall 2019.”
Right, but in the sense of six months or under a year, not typically 15 months or longer. And, there’s nothing wrong with discussing something that far in adance, but I already iterated that the amount of changes that could occur are far greater than what would happen something from three months from now releasing for example.
To clarify, this is actually what you said:
Again, this is incorrect. You Didn’t just remark the price of the SE with the price, you said doesn’t have much value at this point”, as it certainly does. Its been iterated the SE is priced cheaper in countries like India. The SE will remain the way it is for reasons as such. Rather it conforms to what others want in the sense of the iPhone X style in a smaller form factor, I think it’s fictional. That’s just my opinion on the matter.
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No doubt it would get better benchmark scores with an A10, but would a simple spec update help sell enough additional phones to justify the costs to update the current SE? Only Tim & Co know that answer, but with upcoming software improvements giving performance boosts to older phones, I could see them keeping the A9 and dropping the price to $299 US or maybe even $249. That would certainly generate additional sales too. Or they could take the idiotic iPad Mini 4 approach and keep it $349 but bump base storage to 128GB to kill it off even faster. Who knows...
Most consumers in emerging markets like India can’t even afford SE at the current price. Most of them can’t afford to buy a $1,000 scooter for basic transportation.
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It makes sense the SE, which was designed for emerging markets, hasn’t been refreshed in over 2 years. The focus is on cutting costs so it can reach more customers, not updating it with A10 to satisfy niche customers looking for a small phone.
A minor spec bump would be cheaper and looks good as well. Apple will keep the iPhone 7 for a while longer and probably dump the 6s . Having the 7 and a rumored se2 both using the A10 would mean they can stop producing more A9 chips for new production. One less chip to make en mass and even if they keep the same body it would be at least beneficial to make an SE2 with the A10.
It would cost Apple more to keep it even longer now. When they refresh the phones in September assuming the trend it would be the 7 (A10), 8 , 8 Plus and X(?) (A11) and the new phones with the A12. That means the 6s and the A9 will be gone. By simply putting in an A10 which is already being made to make new 7’s you can simply keep the SE as the same body with new internals being the A10. You can say we have a new SE2 with the A10 and keep costs low.
Apple just started testing production of the 6s+ in India to reduce costs from import taxes, fees, etc. The A9 is still adequate and will benefit from iOS 12 efficiencies. It’s likely more flexible in that Apple can source it from secondary suppliers or even shift manufacturing of it to India to further avoid component import taxes. Sure, A10 for everything looks more streamlined on paper, but there are a lot of other factors globally that Apple has to consider.
It doesn't work that way. The die size of A9 is about 20% smaller than A10 which makes A9 far less expensive to manufacture at TSMC.
Today, Apple manufactures brand new HomePod, iPhone 6, and iPod Touch devices for sale. They are all based on A8. If it were less expensive to consolidate and use newer processors, Apple would have done that.
Do you folks think there is definitely going to be new iPhones announced later in the year?
I'm still working away with my iPhone 4 & iOS 7 but I have been saving up for a new iOS device and want to know if I should wait.
I don't need a new phone but I've fallen behind on many games as the get updated so trying to decide between an iPad and an iPhone. I'm assuming there won't be more iPads announced this year.
I'm still working away with my iPhone 4 & iOS 7 but I have been saving up for a new iOS device and want to know if I should wait.
I don't need a new phone but I've fallen behind on many games as the get updated so trying to decide between an iPad and an iPhone. I'm assuming there won't be more iPads announced this year.
Sorry but I feel like you are really nitpicking here and taking this convo into really unnecessary territory.
No need to apologize.
The discussion was evident of two things:
1.) Nothing was unnecessary, I was discussing strictly about the SE from reality versus distortion of what others are envisioning. It’s just you didn’t agree with my points, you replied with general irrelevant retorts, nor did you answer the questions. I tend to be more complete in technicalities, where you seem to want to just keep referring to “2019.”
2.) Also, its evident you don’t have an understanding the purpose of the current SE in it’s market as it is now. That’s been a sign of clearly how Apple is valuing the future of the SE, but is still serves it’s purpose for other markets/segments of how it was originally intended. Either way, everything I said was all relative, its just you chose to not respond accordingly.
Thanks for the discussion, though.
Thanks for unnecessary condensending reply. I suggest you treat fellow forum members with more respect.
Just to correct you, we have had a substantial rumour of a new SE phone iPhone X design, I posted it earlier in here.
It’s a case design and confirmation from a case maker who has been 100% accurate on leaks of other phones. So I think that’s a substantial ‘leak’ not rumour even regardless of it’s posted on the front page or not.
Their is still hope yet, even it’s fading a little now
I think he’s saying all the X-style SE2 rumors imply the screen size will grow beyond 4”. A full screen device with a footprint of the current SE would obviously have a screen larger than 4”, but he had to spell that out for someone.Just to correct you, we have had a substantial rumour of a new SE phone iPhone X design, I posted it earlier in here.
It’s a case design and confirmation from a case maker who has been 100% accurate on leaks of other phones. So I think that’s a substantial ‘leak’ not rumour even regardless of it’s posted on the front page or not.
Their is still hope yet, even it’s fading a little now