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iPhone SE (2016) iPhone se has iPhone 8 not XR camera

The size of the camera isn’t determinative. We need a tear down to really know.

Edit: Apple has repeatedly called the camera the best single lens camera every in an iPhone. I know some of that is subjective or marketing fluff, but it would be a very misleading thing to say if it's the camera from the 8, as they touted the improvements in the Xr camera when it replaced the 8.
 
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Pelea said:
Confirmed both on apples site and via twitter post.
on apple’s site when u compare the cameras of iPhone 8 and iPhone se they’re exactly the same size.
a twitter post also confirmed this.
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I can't see why anyone is surprised.

This essentially is just an iPhone 8 with a new processor.
 
... this true ?
 

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johny328i said:
Well to be fair, if u put a larger sensor, u need bigger lens, or u will get vignetting.
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Thank you.

With the XS, the camera bump became larger by 1.5mm to accommodate the larger sensor. I've done a pixel by pixel comparison of the SE2 and 8 and the lens appears to be the same size.
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QCassidy352 said:
Edit: Apple has repeatedly called the camera the best single lens camera every in an iPhone. I know some of that is subjective or marketing fluff, but it would be a very misleading thing to say if it's the camera from the 8, as they touted the improvements in the Xr camera when it replaced the 8.
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That's why Apple says "Best Single-Camera System in an iPhone." The A13 is part of the system. It doesn't necessarily mean the camera itself is the best.
 
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IT Troll said:
Ooh, that is some sneaky marketing.
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Plenty of other examples. For example, Apple doesn’t list the XR as having a sapphire lens even though it does and scratches at the same Mohs 6 scale as iPhone XS. Imagine how many reviewers have already been seeded with the belief the SE2 has the best single camera.
 
Plutonius said:
I can't see why anyone is surprised.

This essentially is just an iPhone 8 with a new processor.
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This is what people are saying and it’s wrong.

The camera will not just be that the 8, in terms of picture quality anyway! It will have all the latest computational photography advancements (Next Gen HDR) that the 8, X, XS, XR did not get. That’s massive!
 
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JPack said:
iPhone sensor size has been lagging for years. It wasn't until iPhone XR/XS that the pixel sized moved up to 1.4µm. Many Androids have been using large sensors for years, which is why Pixel can enable Night Sight all the way back to first Pixel (2016).
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And this is what some apple zealots dont get... apple is being cheap on ram, camera sensors and then, 2 years after release iphone is getting sw updated but with limited features, with needed agresive ram management that cripples usability... what is a13 good in se if they give you only 3gigs of ram, not sufficient today, what about 2-3 years from now??? Hate the way apple artificially cripples good product...
 
majkom said:
And this is what some apple zealots dont get... apple is being cheap on ram, camera sensors and then, 2 years after release iphone is getting sw updated but with limited features, with needed agresive ram management that cripples usability... what is a13 good in se if they give you only 3gigs of ram, not sufficient today, what about 2-3 years from now??? Hate the way apple artificially cripples good product...
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I’ve got an original SE on the latest software update with 2GB RAM and it’s faultless. Smooth, fast, no lag, all apps work, connects to anything I need it to etc. And that’s an A9 chip. In 2-3 years the new SE will be running fine, same as pretty much all the old iPhones still are.

The ram management issues on SOME devices are software issues not a lack of RAM. Throwing RAM at a device is Android’s thing, and they still all fall short!

Going back to my original SE, it’s actually been given more features than when it was released not crippled at all. It runs as the latest phone does, and that’s impressive!

I get Haptic Touch (without the haptics), better camera features, more settings, dark mode etc...

You say they are being cheap with RAM and camera sensors - it's a budget priced device (for Apple). They cannot fill it with everything from an 11 Pro or no one would buy the Pro models as they wouldn't justify their price. But they also have to make it future proof as this is a device that will be sold for the next 3 years minimum.
 
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It doesn’t matter. The camera has been good enough since the 3GS or something like that
 
oVerboost said:
I’ve got an original SE on the latest software update with 2GB RAM and it’s faultless. Smooth, fast, no lag, all apps work, connects to anything I need it to etc. And that’s an A9 chip. In 2-3 years the new SE will be running fine, same as pretty much all the old iPhones still are.

The ram management issues on SOME devices are software issues not a lack of RAM. Throwing RAM at a device is Android’s thing, and they still all fall short!

Going back to my original SE, it’s actually been given more features than when it was released not crippled at all. It runs as the latest phone does, and that’s impressive!

I get Haptic Touch (without the haptics), better camera features, more settings, dark mode etc...
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Sure😂😂😂 i got ip7, aggresive ram management is visible everywhere, constant app refresh, safari pahes refresh, mail unable to send big attachments.... but sure, adding more ram would definitely ruin apple great experience cause it is android thing... jesus
 
majkom said:
Sure😂😂😂 i got ip7, aggresive ram management is visible everywhere, constant app refresh, safari pahes refresh, mail unable to send big attachments.... but sure, adding more ram would definitely ruin apple great experience cause it is android thing... jesus
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That's not what I am saying. But the Pro has 4GB RAM, and I have zero issues with mine (I sold it recently).
If it was as widespread as some are saying, it would be a daily topic on these forums. It isn't.
Genuinely, the problems you listed there I have zero issues on a much older device, and on my Pro I sold. And I cannot be the only one. The iPhone 7 isn't really the best base to use as an example, as it's had numerous issues since launch and is probably the worst out of the 6s/7/8 devices.

RAM obviously would help, however it's quite well known Apple manage RAM better than anyone else. I said throwing more RAM at a problem is Android's thing, rather than sorting the management from a software perspective which I am sure will happen with iOS14, much like iOS12 sorted out the numerous issues with iOS11.
 
Cmon,you telling me thah apple is not imposing rather harsh ram management? So now, 7 was not that perfect iphone and others were/are? Lol... ok, what about 6 plus with 1 gig of ram? Another masterpiece by apple, crashing apps, constant reloads cause of it... etc etc etc...
 
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Cmon,you telling me thah apple is not imposing rather harsh ram management? So now, 7 was not that perfect iphone and others were/are? Lol... ok, what about 6 plus with 1 gig of ram? Another masterpiece by apple, crashing apps, constant reloads cause of it... etc etc etc...
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Start a poll then if your so sure...
 
majkom said:
Cmon,you telling me thah apple is not imposing rather harsh ram management? So now, 7 was not that perfect iphone and others were/are? Lol... ok, what about 6 plus with 1 gig of ram? Another masterpiece by apple, crashing apps, constant reloads cause of it... etc etc etc...
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And that 6/6+ series was probably the best selling iPhone ever.
 
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majkom said:
Sure, people were waiting for big displays few years...
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If everyone had a bad experience it would have flopped. People buy throughout the year and not on launch day, that’s just for nerds.
 
From the MacRumors comparison article:

While both the new iPhone SE and the iPhone XR are equipped with a single 12-megapixel wide-angle rear camera with an f/1.8 aperture, the iPhone XR has a newer sensor with 1.4µm pixels and larger Focus Pixels, whereas the iPhone SE has the same sensor as the iPhone 8. However, the new iPhone SE benefits from the A13 chip's improved image signal processor, so the gap between the cameras is likely minimal.
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IT Troll said:
From the MacRumors comparison article:
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MacRumours know as much as anyone else outside of Apple. Which is nothing at the stage.
They say the gap is likely minimal, yet Apple are stating it's the best single camera. Even with the old lens, with the A13 and next gen HDR it's going to be better, not minimal (implying it's nearly as good as the XR).
 
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