iPhone X iphone X sales not living up to expectations

[j800r]

Whatever your interpretation is it's up to you. As for me, it employs the same principle as Windows hello for laptops or Surface with Intel Realsense and Apple was the first one to cram the same hardware features to a smarphone that's all. To me that's not new technology, but an improvement on existing technology and definitely NOT revolutionary.

Why waste your time arguing with me? You know I’ll never agree with you and why should it bother you so much that you have to argue your point while completely missing the point in my original post. You’re arguing semantics. My point was that Android does NOT have FaceID or anything similar and that is fact.

Also, it’s worth mentioning innovation does not = invention.

 

[44267547]

I’m much happier with the 8, than I was with the X, for many reasons. The X’s killer feature is its screen, but at what price (pun intended)?

Apple’s four year old design satisfies the masses. A lot of people don’t have a need for the X or don’t agree with their design decisions. It should come as no surprise that sales will plummet over time, as their premium product has a few shortcomings that don’t justify its price.

We’ve hit a road where features have peaked and prices are going up. It’s a strange time in the smartphone world.

You make some valid points. The biggest drawback with the iPhone X is the price point. No matter how someone dissects it, it's still going to cost you $1100 just for the iPhone X alone without accessories. And even breaking that down into payments a month is almost $50, which is still considerable. With the phone of this price point, there are some consumers who will just appreciate the phone that they have and use it until it is no longer supported or useful, or upgrade to an iPhone under the iPhone X.

Then again, I think Apple knows the iPhone X is not going to be appealing to every consumer. Which is why they're iPhone lineup has expanded over the years.

 

[j800r]

You make some valid points. The biggest drawback with the iPhone X is the price point. No matter how someone dissects it, it's still going to cost you $1100 just for the iPhone X alone without accessories. And even breaking that down into payments a month is almost $50, which is still considerable. With the phone of this price point, there are some consumers who will just appreciate the phone that they have and use it until it is no longer supported or useful, or upgrade to an iPhone under the iPhone X.

Then again, I think Apple knows the iPhone X is not going to be appealing to every consumer. Which is why they're iPhone lineup has expanded over the years.

A video game can cost the same price as that monthly breakdown. Even more in fact. Nobody ever seems to complain about the price of video games. There’s a market.

Apple products are expensive. That’s no surprise. The price point isn’t the problem for the iPhone X. Its “problem” is that it isn’t for everyone. However, it’s a special edition. Apple didn’t expect it to be for everyone which is why the regular iPhone still exists.

 

[44267547]

A video game can cost the same price as that monthly breakdown. Even more in fact. Nobody ever seems to complain about the price of video games. There’s a market.

A substantial variance between the cost of an iPhone X and a video game that is not mutually exclusive, but I understand the example. Especially given that if somebody was paying $30 a month for a smart phone and then if you factor in they want the iPhone X, there will be an increase of month because of the added cost.

The price point isn’t the problem for the iPhone X. Its “problem” is that it isn’t for everyone. However, it’s a special edition.

Disagree. The price point is a problem for those who want the iPhone X that can't afford it or simply can't justify to spend that much more additionally for phone that essentially does the same thing as their other smart phone does, it just has some different features with Face ID or a newer display, but that's not enough for some to justify the price point. But the issue of the iPhone X cost, is that smart phones are so powerful today, that most consumers don't even utilize all of the capabilities it has. Thus which leads the consumer to question if they need a phone that expensive that they can achieve similar results with what they're currently using for an iPhone.

Which I also believe was a solid move by Apple to offer the iPhone 8 as a secondary option that shares almost the same internal specifications as the iPhone X with the exception of Face ID, OLED, gesture controls and form factor.

Also, it's not a special edition and Apple never labeled it as such. It's just a higher price tiered iPhone that Apple implemented their newer technology into. But it Doesn't make it a 'special edition' because of that alone. A More appropriate label of Special Edition would have been the iPhone SE, which usually means that it's a one time offering.

Apple didn’t expect it to be for everyone which is why the regular iPhone still exists.

That's basically what I stated below already:

Then again, I think Apple knows the iPhone X is not going to be appealing to every consumer. Which is why they're iPhone lineup has expanded over the years.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Was it as unnaturally bad? I mean its screen was so small and it was already irrelevant in the market by the time it was released as an old school 'smart' phone...

The first oled panels on Samsung phones were not great but by the S5 they had improved and they were good panels. The quality only improved year over year to the point where they were considered to have the best displays in the business.

 

[Martyimac]

Disagree. The price point is a problem for those who want the iPhone X that can't afford it or simply can't justify to spend that much more additionally for phone that essentially does the same thing as their other smart phone does, it just has some different features with Face ID or a newer display, but that's not enough for some to justify the price point. But the issue of the iPhone X cost, is that smart phones are so powerful today, that most consumers don't even utilize all of the capabilities it has. Thus which leads the consumer to question if they need a phone that expensive that they can achieve similar results with what they're currently using for an iPhone.

Which I also believe was a solid move by Apple to offer the iPhone 8 as a secondary option that shares almost the same internal specifications as the iPhone X with the exception of Face ID, OLED, gesture controls and form factor.

Also, it's not a special edition and Apple never labeled it as such. It's just a higher price tiered iPhone that Apple implemented their newer technology into. But it Doesn't make it a 'special edition' because of that alone. A More appropriate label of Special Edition would have been the iPhone SE, which usually means that it's a one time offering

Well stated. Your thoughts echo mine but you stated them better.

 

[boltjames]

Well stated. Your thoughts echo mine but you stated them better.

Agreed.

An iPhone that with AppleCare and tax comes to $1,456.00 is designed for the 1%. Apple did a smart thing in discovering a white space in a crowded sector and innovating the world’s first luxury smartphone. The iPhone X is for those who have multiple homes, drive BMW, wear Rolex, vacation at 5 star resorts, fly first class, and enjoy luxury in all their other aspects of life. iPhone now included.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

The first oled panels on Samsung phones were not great but by the S5 they had improved and they were good panels. The quality only improved year over year to the point where they were considered to have the best displays in the business.

Until now

I really didn’t like the one on my S7 Edge, it was oversatured and didn’t look natural to me. And when I toned it down it was flat and boring and also not good. But that is fine, different people like different things. I like mine to look natural, others like theirs to pop and entertain. Neither of us is wrong or right, it is just a preference.

 

[dogslobber]

People were offended by the notch. You can't insult people like that and try to pass it off as normal.

 

[boltjames]

People were offended by the notch. You can't insult people like that and try to pass it off as normal.

This is where you need a better understanding of luxury goods and how they are marketed through design.

At a glance at 70 MPH, in that blur of a few brief seconds, the only thing differentiating a BMW from a Kia is bodywork and badges. See those twin kidneys making up front grill, see that blue/white propeller badge on the wheels, see that distinctive Hofmeister kink on the C pillar, everyone knows it's a luxury car.

Same for the iPhone X. The vertical camera and the notch are the two deliberate and powerful design elements that differentiate Apple's flagship iPhone from the old style iPhone and the riff-raff Androids out there. One on the front, one on the back, there's no mistaking the X for any other smartphone. And those of us into luxury products and status symbols don't like them to look like everything else.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Until now

I really didn’t like the one on my S7 Edge, it was oversatured and didn’t look natural to me. And when I toned it down it was flat and boring and also not good. But that is fine, different people like different things. I like mine to look natural, others like theirs to pop and entertain. Neither of us is wrong or right, it is just a preference.

Yes I agree until now.

 

[Glideslope]

It doesn't change how facts work and how that applies to what was posted.

It most certainly demonstrates how facts and truths are manipulated and positioned for nefarious reasons.

Thankfully consumers are finally smelling the rank odor from the current Executive Team.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

At a glance at 70 MPH, in that blur of a few brief seconds, the only thing differentiating a BMW from a Kia is bodywork and badges. See those twin kidneys making up front grill, see that blue/white propeller badge on the wheels, see that distinctive Hofmeister kink on the C pillar, everyone knows it's a luxury car.

You’ll never see a BMW driver doing 70mph that’s far too slow and the driver is usually a tosser sales rep late for an appointment. They are semi luxury cars aimed at the mass market which is why every other car on the road these days is a Beemer. I know in North America they are less popular and a lot more expensive due to how they are imported but over here in Europe they are common as muck and very affordable secondhand. A secondhand 5 Series with a new price of £35k will drop as much as £17k in just 12 months despite having under 30k on the clock. Even then it’s still essentially a brand new car.

 

[Martyimac]

You’ll never see a BMW driver doing 70mph that’s far too slow and the driver is usually a tosser sales rep late for an appointment. They are semi luxury cars aimed at the mass market which is why every other car on the road these days is a Beemer. I know in North America they are less popular and a lot more expensive due to how they are imported but over here in Europe they are common as muck and very affordable secondhand. A secondhand 5 Series with a new price of £35k will drop as much as £17k in just 12 months despite having under 30k on the clock. Even then it’s still essentially a brand new car.

Considering that the "kink"was used as far back as 1951 on a Kaiser, he may be a little out of touch. Granted the modern BMW's use it but it doesn't indicate that the car is necessarily a luxury car. It's thought, and this is from BMW, that it indicates a rear wheel drive car.
As an FYI the cars, in the BMW faithfuls mind, is the bimmer. The motorcycles are beemers but beemer is now used to describe both in common usage.
Best cars BMW made were the E36 3 series and the E39 5 series. I owned both at one time and they truly were "The Ultimate Driving Machine" back then. I left the fold for various issue as BMW started to lose their way. I hear they have righted the ship and are back to being truly great cars again.
Now back to the iPhone discussion.

 

[boltjames]

You’ll never see a BMW driver doing 70mph that’s far too slow and the driver is usually a tosser sales rep late for an appointment. They are semi luxury cars aimed at the mass market which is why every other car on the road these days is a Beemer. I know in North America they are less popular and a lot more expensive due to how they are imported but over here in Europe they are common as muck and very affordable secondhand. A secondhand 5 Series with a new price of £35k will drop as much as £17k in just 12 months despite having under 30k on the clock. Even then it’s still essentially a brand new car.

I have 3 BMW's and enjoy their luxury and prestige every minute I drive them here in the United States.

Same for the iPhone X.

Apple is a luxury brand. While they have entry level models like the SE and 7, the 8 and especially the X are a luxe experience for luxe clientele.

 

[C DM]

It most certainly demonstrates how facts and truths are manipulated and positioned for nefarious reasons.

Thankfully consumers are finally smelling the rank odor from the current Executive Team.

And none of that changes anything about the X.

 

[dogslobber]

This is where you need a better understanding of luxury goods and how they are marketed through design.

At a glance at 70 MPH, in that blur of a few brief seconds, the only thing differentiating a BMW from a Kia is bodywork and badges. See those twin kidneys making up front grill, see that blue/white propeller badge on the wheels, see that distinctive Hofmeister kink on the C pillar, everyone knows it's a luxury car.

A Kia? I took you for a Chrysler man, myself, but we learn new things each day.

Same for the iPhone X. The vertical camera and the notch are the two deliberate and powerful design elements that differentiate Apple's flagship iPhone from the old style iPhone and the riff-raff Androids out there. One on the front, one on the back, there's no mistaking the X for any other smartphone. And those of us into luxury products and status symbols don't like them to look like everything else.

The last thing I want other people to see when I'm waiting on a bus is the type of cellphone I have. Safety first, last, always. Perhaps that's why you drive a Kia?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I have 3 BMW's and enjoy their luxury and prestige every minute I drive them here in the United States.

Same for the iPhone X.

Apple is a luxury brand. While they have entry level models like the SE and 7, the 8 and especially the X are a luxe experience for luxe clientele.

I enjoyed driving my 5 Series apart from sensor issues. I had a 3 Series as a company car briefly 10 years ago and they are a nice drive. I wouldn’t class the 3 Series as luxury though, it’s a bit like the iPhone SE of the range. The 7 Series is the only luxury model really.

Apple isn’t a luxury brand either. It’s a high end consumer brand but still affordable to the average joe. They’ve never marketed themselves as a luxury brand and even Apple don’t believe the X is an unaffordable product despite it costing a grand. A truly luxury smartphone brand was ‘Vertu’ where a device cost anything from £4K up. The iPhone appeals to most demographics and you’ll see an iPhone X in the hands of anybody from a factory worker to the likes of top celebrities. It all depends on spending priorities and the desire to own one. I’m sure most people here could afford an iPhone X if they prioritised their budgets. Whether they can justify it and want one is another story.

Every smartphone is a luxury to a degree, but none of the big brands specialise purely for the luxury market, they just appeal to a wide range of consumer.

 

[pl1984]

I have 3 BMW's and enjoy their luxury and prestige every minute I drive them here in the United States.

Same for the iPhone X.

Apple is a luxury brand. While they have entry level models like the SE and 7, the 8 and especially the X are a luxe experience for luxe clientele.

A BMW 3 series is not a luxury car. In fact many non-luxury cars can be had a BMW 3 series pricing. Many pickup trucks easily exceed the cost of a 3 series. A BMW 3 series is a luxury car in name only.

 

[Closingracer]

A BMW 3 series is not a luxury car. In fact many non-luxury cars can be had a BMW 3 series pricing. Many pickup trucks easily exceed the cost of a 3 series. A BMW 3 series is a luxury car in name only.

He said 3 BMW's not 3 series. He could have a 3 series, 4 series and a 7 series, a X3, 3 series and a 5 series or whatever other combo.

 

[Martyimac]

He said 3 BMW's not 3 series. He could have a 3 series, 4 series and a 7 series, a X3, 3 series and a 5 series or whatever other combo.

Actually, somewhere here in MR I think he said he drove a 3 as his daily driver. But he also has others also, again I think.

 

[boltjames]

A BMW 3 series is not a luxury car. In fact many non-luxury cars can be had a BMW 3 series pricing. Many pickup trucks easily exceed the cost of a 3 series. A BMW 3 series is a luxury car in name only.

I said I own 3 BMW's. As in 3 different BMW's. Like 3 of them.

 

[inhalexhale1]

https://www.thestreet.com/story/14393748/1/apple-could-be-worth-one-trillion-by-2018.html
Many analysts are surprised that the 8 series outsold the X in November. There was never going to be any supercycle. Hilarious that these wall street nuts thought that consumers would by phones that cost a grand.
“Citing the iPhone X's super-high $1,000 price and confusing features, a Sinolink Securities analyst predicted that Apple will ship just 35 million iPhone X devices in the first three months of 2018, roughly 10 million fewer than previously expected.”

Confusing features, lol. Control center from the right hand corner?!?! I can’t understand!!!!

 

[boltjames]

He said 3 BMW's not 3 series. He could have a 3 series, 4 series and a 7 series, a X3, 3 series and a 5 series or whatever other combo.

Thank you for clarifying, though a 3 Series is every bit a luxury car in the right configuration with the right features. All luxury car makers have strippers for $30,000. BMW has the 320i, Mercedes has the CLA. A true 3 Series, optioned properly with the right luxury features, a 330i or 340i, M-Sport package, and sport suspension options is a $48,000+ car. They look the same on the exterior to the ignorant. People who are into cars know what's what.

My daily driver is a 2018 4 Series Gran Coupe MSRP $54,000. On weekends my wife and I drive a 2017 X5 MSRP $62,000. Bought a low mileage E46 330ci for my son on his 17th birthday cost $10,000 cash which is pretty good money for a 15 year old car. It's fun, I drive it once a week while he's at school.

Not sure how this relates to the fact that Apple's new iPhone X is a luxe product from a luxury brand, but if people need to know what cars I drive there you go.

 

[boltjames]

Many analysts are surprised that the 8 series outsold the X in November. There was never going to be any supercycle. Hilarious that these wall street nuts thought that consumers would by phones that cost a grand.

“Citing the iPhone X's super-high $1,000 price and confusing features, a Sinolink Securities analyst predicted that Apple will ship just 35 million iPhone X devices in the first three months of 2018, roughly 10 million fewer than previously expected.”

Confusing features, lol. Control center from the right hand corner?!?! I can’t understand!!!!

This is one of my favorite exchanges, ever, on MR.

Read that quote again. "just 35 million iPhone X devices" 35 MILLION iPhone X's would equate to around $43 BILLION dollars in revenue. To give you an idea of what $43 BILLION in revenue looks like, these are the companies you'd know around that level:

$40 BILLION - Coca Cola
$39 BILLION - Delta Airlines
$39 BILLION - Best Buy
$38 BILLION - Caterpillar
$38 BILLION - Morgan Stanley
$37 BILLION - Goldman Sachs
$35 BILLION - Volvo Motor Cars
$35 BILLION - Lufthansa
$34 BILLION - American Express
$32 BILLION - Nike
$31 BILLION - Subaru
$30 BILLION - Mazda

Oh, and those are annual revenues. The "disappointing" iPhone X will have produced more revenue than these massive companies in only 3 months. Pick any 3 companies on the list, that's what iPhone X would be bigger than in a full calendar year. How about Coca-Cola + Delta Airlines + Nike. What a failure! It's surely "not living up to expectations!"