Iphone X vs Android - I know I know..

[LIVEFRMNYC]

That is precisely the point. Now, people try to leave the iPhone, but then they have to get their iPhone friends to use a different app such as WhatsApp, FB Messenger, etc. to communicate with them and send pictures/videos. If what I described was in place, then you could use any messaging app to communicate with iPhone users and be able to exchange pictures/videos. The could keep using iMessage and you could use whatever you wanted on another platform. Or, if you wanted to use something else on the iPhone you could do that too.

I never really understood this logic. I have no problem getting someone to install a message app on their phone if they what to message me, especially family and close friends. And the popular messenger apps make it easy, as they use your number and search your contacts that are also using the messenger app.

If someone refuses to message me unless I'm on iMessage, then they are not important enough to message.

The premise that it's too cumbersome to simply install a message app is ridiculous. I've had people I barely know start to use Whatsapp, and it wasn't a problem for me at all to install Telegram when several people I know requested so.

 

[5105973]

I never really understood this logic. I have no problem getting someone to install a message app on their phone if they what to message me, especially family and close friends. And the popular messenger apps make it easy, as they use your number and search your contacts that are also using the messenger app.

If someone refuses to message me unless I'm on iMessage, then they are not important enough to message.

The premise that it's too cumbersome to simply install a message app is ridiculous. I've had people I barely know start to use Whatsapp, and it wasn't a problem for me at all to install Telegram when several people I know requested so.

The people I have to be in iMessage with aren’t quite in my comfort zone of requesting they download any messaging apps. One is my husband’s family who definitely would take offense as well as would be confused. They have FB messenger beyond iMessage and that’s about it. I don’t have FB so the fallback is iMessages. The other people include a sizable group of parents whose kids hang out with mine. Some I do know well and are good friends but a lot are cordial acquaintances whose only connection to me is that our kids are friends. So that’s the sort of barrier I’d face going exclusively to Android and wanting people to meet me in any messaging medium outside of iMessage.

My middle schoolers teacher does implement a third party app that has private messaging but the parents are slow to check their messages or respond on that platform even when their read receipts indicate they’ve seen the message. It’s not their fault because the platform does seem a bit unstable at times. The behavior on iMessage is different and they respond faster to that.

 

[mib1800]

iMessage is pretty much dead around the world....except US.

The attention and importance given to iMessage is way overblown.

sms and messaging should be kept separate. American don't understand the significant of this. Most people American interact with stay in the same country.

For those of us who are less confined by borders, I don't want myself (or others) to get charged for sending/receiving expensive international roaming sms.

 

[jamezr]

iMessage is pretty much dead around the world....except US.

The attention and importance given to iMessage is way overblown.

sms and messaging should be kept separate. American don't understand the significant of this. Most people American interact with stay in the same country.

For those of us who are less confined by borders, I don't want myself (or others) to get charged for sending/receiving expensive international roaming sms.

I don't use iMessage....buuut it sure is convenient to be able to text from my iPad....MBP....iMac. and or iphone and not miss a beat. So I understand why some really love the feature. But for me and my household, we all share devcies. So anyone can walk up to the iMac in the offcie and use it or grab my MBP from my desk and do school work. So for us it doesn't fit our needs.
I like that Microsoft is starting to abandon Windows Mobile and integrating Android into features into their operating system.

 

[mikef07]

I never really understood this logic. I have no problem getting someone to install a message app on their phone if they what to message me, especially family and close friends. And the popular messenger apps make it easy, as they use your number and search your contacts that are also using the messenger app.

If someone refuses to message me unless I'm on iMessage, then they are not important enough to message.

The premise that it's too cumbersome to simply install a message app is ridiculous. I've had people I barely know start to use Whatsapp, and it wasn't a problem for me at all to install Telegram when several people I know requested so.

Are you kidding?? No chance I could switch people to other messaging apps because there are multiple people part of multiple groups and no one is realistically going to use multiple apps to message. Could I get my wife to switch to some other app to message to me if I were the only person she messaged? Sure, but there are about 10-20 other people she messages with regularly and 1 other has a non IOS phone. Sometimes I am part of that group. SO you think it is realistic to expect a person to say I want to message person A so i'll use this app. If I message A, B, and C then I stay with that app. If I message A, B, C, and D then I have to use imessage. If it is A,B, and D, then I have to use imessage, but A and D can use the other message app.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[lowendlinux]

I don't use iMessage....buuut it sure is convenient to be able to text from my iPad....MBP....iMac. and or iphone and not miss a beat. So I understand why some really love the feature. But for me and my household, we all share devcies. So anyone can walk up to the iMac in the offcie and use it or grab my MBP from my desk and do school work. So for us it doesn't fit our needs.
I like that Microsoft is starting to abandon Windows Mobile and integrating Android into features into their operating system.

You can do that with Android too

I WhatsApp from my desktop, phone, and Chromebook

 

[tbayrgs]

iMessage is pretty much dead around the world....except US.

The attention and importance given to iMessage is way overblown.

sms and messaging should be kept separate. American don't understand the significant of this. Most people American interact with stay in the same country.

For those of us who are less confined by borders, I don't want myself (or others) to get charged for sending/receiving expensive international roaming sms.

You’re on an Apple focused forum with what I’d wager are predominantly US based members. That’s why this discussion carries more weight.

iPhone market share is higher here than anywhere else in the world. SMS/MMS are generally free for everyone here. There is zero motivation for people to use third party messaging solutions outside of very specific needs, ie. teens/millennials using Snapchat more than others. WhatsApp usage in the US is next to nothing. The iPhone could disappear entirely tomorrow and you know what most people would use here? SMS. IMessage being layered on top of it with expanded functionality just makes the experience for iPhone users that much better. Leaving that behind means going through a lot of effort to try to convert your other iPhone using contacts to a third party solution (not going to happy with any ubiquity) or settle for basic SMS. That’s why iMessage is so valuable to many here.
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You can do that with Android too

I WhatsApp from my desktop, phone, and Chromebook

And IIRC, you just returned to the US after many years in Europe (Germany?). WhatsApp is used by very few in the US. Not a viable solution for most US users.

 

[lowendlinux]

You’re on an Apple focused forum with what I’d wager are predominantly US based members. That’s why this discussion carries more weight.

iPhone market share is higher here than anywhere else in the world. SMS/MMS are generally free for everyone here. There is zero motivation for people to use third party messaging solutions outside of very specific needs, ie. teens/millennials using Snapchat more than others. WhatsApp usage in the US is next to nothing. The iPhone could disappear entirely tomorrow and you know what most people would use here? SMS. IMessage being layered on top of it with expanded functionality just makes the experience for iPhone users that much better. Leaving that behind means going through a lot of effort to try to convert your other iPhone using contacts to a third party solution (not going to happy with any ubiquity) or settle for basic SMS. That’s why iMessage is so valuable to many here.
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And IIRC, you just returned to the US after many years in Europe (Germany?). WhatsApp is used by very few in the US. Not a viable solution for most US users.

Yea I got back here from Germany in August after being away since 2004 and I've been on a one man WhatsApp conversion mission

I've already got the people in the office converted

 

[KingslayerG5]

I am really not an iMessages fan. When it was released, my iPhone 4 was still on iOS4 (the firmware that it came with it). It was released on iOS5 along with iCloud. I was on Android by the time it was released.

iMessages is one of the most brilliant lock-in the customers to Apple's ecosystem next to iTunes finally appearing on Windows and opening the App Store in 2008. It's a BlackBerry Messenger copycat but a brilliant one. This is where Google made a mistake because Hangouts was awful and Allo (Viber copycat) was too late.

Last night, I tried sending an MMS to someone via Textra and it wouldn't send. I began to think this is where iMessages rules. Went back to my LG default messager but find it ugly. I like my black and red theme with a touch of blue. I resolved the Textra MMS issue by putting back the carrier send limit from unlimited to 1 MB.

I guess iMessages rules with that high quality MMS stuff. I'm used to compressed photos and videos. Viber does the same. T-Mobile has a send limit of only 1 MB. The irony that iOS rules in MMS when you couldn't even do it when the first iPhone was released.

I may just get an iPhone X by next week. I'm still contemplating with the X or 7. Both with $300 gift card but the 7 has the metal back. Then either get paid for the $300 gift card to pay the first few months for free or get a Switch or Xbone S. I really want a Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact. Perfect size.

 

[mojOH]

Apple is much better at the enterprise level. I love my iPhone and will probably never go back to android

 

[convergent]

I never really understood this logic. I have no problem getting someone to install a message app on their phone if they what to message me, especially family and close friends. And the popular messenger apps make it easy, as they use your number and search your contacts that are also using the messenger app.

If someone refuses to message me unless I'm on iMessage, then they are not important enough to message.

The premise that it's too cumbersome to simply install a message app is ridiculous. I've had people I barely know start to use Whatsapp, and it wasn't a problem for me at all to install Telegram when several people I know requested so.

I don't have a problem with it either, but many do. The point is that all the messaging apps are proprietary and some fall back to MMS. MMS is old and not able to support the needs of modern messaging. There needs to be a new non proprietary mechanism for the different apps to fall back on.

iMessage is pretty much dead around the world....except US.

The attention and importance given to iMessage is way overblown.

sms and messaging should be kept separate. American don't understand the significant of this. Most people American interact with stay in the same country.

For those of us who are less confined by borders, I don't want myself (or others) to get charged for sending/receiving expensive international roaming sms.

The US isn't a small market, and in the US, Apple has a pretty strong lock on this. Those of you not in the US may blow this off as a non issue, and then also tout Apple as being on a path for world domination. If their market share grows, their lock on messaging will too. It creates a lot of friction to moving to another device type. That isn't good for the market, whether you use Apple or not.

Apple is much better at the enterprise level. I love my iPhone and will probably never go back to android

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Apple does nearly nothing for the enterprise. In most its a Microsoft, with Google gaining.

 

[timeconsumer]

I am running into this issue currently. I receive photos/videos from my sister of my nephews playing sports. Previously this was done using an iMessage group chat. Now, because of me switching to a Pixel 2, everyone that was previously in the group chat is now receiving the photos/videos over MMS which is really poor quality. I'm not going to try to explain to everyone (all iPhone users) why they should switch to WhatsApp or another messaging app because due the technical level of these users it would just confuse them.

I'm getting really tired of the current state of messaging in the US, it's almost like we're forced to use Apple products for iMessage only. I think it's more important for Google to get an iMessage alternative out sooner rather than later, and Allo is not the answer. It's really quite sad that only one single app would be the reason to hold me to an iPhone.

I've tried to convert one of my friends over to Telegram and he doesn't like it. We've tried to just use SMS but it results in jumbled up messages. Messaging is just a complete mess in the US if you don't have an iPhone.

 

[macher]

I am running into this issue currently. I receive photos/videos from my sister of my nephews playing sports. Previously this was done using an iMessage group chat. Now, because of me switching to a Pixel 2, everyone that was previously in the group chat is now receiving the photos/videos over MMS which is really poor quality. I'm not going to try to explain to everyone (all iPhone users) why they should switch to WhatsApp or another messaging app because due the technical level of these users it would just confuse them.

I'm getting really tired of the current state of messaging in the US, it's almost like we're forced to use Apple products for iMessage only. I think it's more important for Google to get an iMessage alternative out sooner rather than later, and Allo is not the answer. It's really quite sad that only one single app would be the reason to hold me to an iPhone.

I've tried to convert one of my friends over to Telegram and he doesn't like it. We've tried to just use SMS but it results in jumbled up messages. Messaging is just a complete mess in the US if you don't have an iPhone.

Yea one of the main reasons who I stay with Apple.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Are you kidding?? No chance I could switch people to other messaging apps because there are multiple people part of multiple groups and no one is realistically going to use multiple apps to message. Could I get my wife to switch to some other app to message to me if I were the only person she messaged? Sure, but there are about 10-20 other people she messages with regularly and 1 other has a non IOS phone. Sometimes I am part of that group. SO you think it is realistic to expect a person to say I want to message person A so i'll use this app. If I message A, B, and C then I stay with that app. If I message A, B, C, and D then I have to use imessage. If it is A,B, and D, then I have to use imessage, but A and D can use the other message app.

Thanks for the laugh.

Really???

In what world is there going to be the need for a A, B, C, and D? I message over 20 people on a regular basis. And most of it is between Whatsapp and Telegram.

There has never been an issue of inviting or adding someone to a group on either. And those that don't have a messenger installed can easily be sent an SMS invite with a link to install the app, which is how I got put on to Telegram. Maybe the users you speak of, find a specific message app more important than you are. That's not the case with myself and the people in my circle. If anyone refuses to be apart of a group message because they don't want to install and use another message app, then oh well that's on them.

It's really not that complicated as you are trying to make it sound.
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I am running into this issue currently. I receive photos/videos from my sister of my nephews playing sports. Previously this was done using an iMessage group chat. Now, because of me switching to a Pixel 2, everyone that was previously in the group chat is now receiving the photos/videos over MMS which is really poor quality. I'm not going to try to explain to everyone (all iPhone users) why they should switch to WhatsApp or another messaging app because due the technical level of these users it would just confuse them.

I'm getting really tired of the current state of messaging in the US, it's almost like we're forced to use Apple products for iMessage only. I think it's more important for Google to get an iMessage alternative out sooner rather than later, and Allo is not the answer. It's really quite sad that only one single app would be the reason to hold me to an iPhone.

I've tried to convert one of my friends over to Telegram and he doesn't like it. We've tried to just use SMS but it results in jumbled up messages. Messaging is just a complete mess in the US if you don't have an iPhone.

Allo would be the answer if Google just integrates it into the message app.

It's really sad that people would find an annoyance of going to the app store and installing a cross platform message app, which is the simplest thing in the world to do. The US is probably the only country that faces this physiological dilemma.

 

[mikef07]

Really???

In what world is there going to be the need for a A, B, C, and D? I message over 20 people on a regular basis. And most of it is between Whatsapp and Telegram.

There has never been an issue of inviting or adding someone to a group on either. And those that don't have a messenger installed can easily be sent an SMS invite with a link to install the app, which is how I got put on to Telegram. Maybe the users you speak of, find a specific message app more important than you are. That's not the case with myself and the people in my circle. If anyone refuses to be apart of a group message because they don't want to install and use another message app, then oh well that's on them.

It's really not that complicated as you are trying to make it sound.
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Allo would be the answer if Google just integrates it into the message app.

It's really sad that people would find an annoyance of going to the app store and installing a cross platform message app, which is the simplest thing in the world to do. The US is probably the only country that faces this physiological dilemma.

Seriously? I can't tell you how many group chats I have going on. My wife 3x as many. There are times she wants to send messages to her bro and sister. Times she wants to send to her bro sister, and me. Times she wants to send to her bro, sister, mother and father. Times she wants to send to her bro, sister, mother, father, my father. We haven't even gotten to friends yet.

Sorry but the fact that you don't see this is ridiculous. I guarantee that many people on this board have groups and sub groups they message to and they don't want video or pictures downgraded.

So let's assume her brother has a Android phone.

Now my wife needs to make sure any group chat that she has with her brother is on some other app. Nobody is going to open up a new chat app when they want to include their brother but then go back to a different app when their brother is not included.

Let's assume 2 have an Android phone.

Now it gets complicated. If you include these 2 in a message you need to use App A, but if you don't want to include them then you can use imessage

I get that your next question is why not get the whole family to switch to a different app.

Now we get to all the friends my wife also sends messages to and sometimes family members are included in some of those.

So now you think it is realistic for someone to remember who has an Android phone and who does not.

Give me a break. You Android fanbois are full of excuses. Instead just acknowledge that imessage is better than anything Android has and Apple was way ahead of the curve when they released this.

 

[SigEp265]

iMessage really is killer ... especially when everyone uses it.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I guarantee that many people on this board have groups and sub groups they message to and they don't want video or pictures downgraded.

And this is why some requested for me to use Telegram, you can post full quality. And it was simple for me to install and use. I didn't have to stop using my other messengers. Sometimes I get group invite messages on my Whatsapp, and even iMessage(when I was using it), to join a group in Telegram. Never felt like a hassle to do so.

People treat iMessage like a bubble, as if you can't invite iMessage users to a Telegram or Whatsapp group.

Honestly, I don't know anyone that's a heavy messenger that only uses just one messenger exclusively.

I look at what GrumpyMom posted, and as I stated previously in what you quoted ..... This is more of a physiological issue than an ease of use issue.

 

[mikef07]

And this is why some requested for me to use Telegram, you can post full quality. And it was simple for me to install and use. I didn't have to stop using my other messengers. Sometimes I get group invite messages on my Whatsapp, and even iMessage(when I was using it), to join a group in Telegram. Never felt like a hassle to do so.

People treat iMessage like a bubble, as if you can't invite iMessage users to a Telegram or Whatsapp group.

Honestly, I don't know anyone that's a heavy messenger that only uses just one messenger exclusively.

I look at what GrumpyMom posted, and as I stated previously in what you quoted ..... This is more of a physiological issue than an ease of use issue.

What you fail to understand is that there are literally hundreds of groups my wife has would have going. They consist of about 30-40 different people but various people are sent messages depending on the circumstances.

I function very much the same way. Expecting people to remember who has what is ridiculous. These people are not going to install some new app because my wife requests them to do so.

SMH that you think that is realistic.

What realistically happens is that a person opens up imessage and starts adding who is getting the group message that is goin out at that moment. That group may only last an hour or two. The next day 90% of the people from the day before might be added to another group message but 2 might be taken out and 2 different people added.

People are not going to go through the hassle of figuring out who has what. They are going to open imessage and start adding names of people in their phone.

If you scroll through my phone and my wife's phone there are hundreds of groups.

You obviously don't text very much.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

What you fail to understand is that there are literally hundreds of groups my wife has would have going. They consist of about 30-40 different people but various people are sent messages depending on the circumstances.

I function very much the same way. Expecting people to remember who has what is ridiculous. These people are not going to install some new app because my wife requests them to do so.

SMH that you think that is realistic.

Nobody is going to have hundreds of groups simultaneously unless it's work related. And if it's work related, then an already chosen messenger to use exclusively is understandable. But I'm speaking from a social aspect, which is what the most discussions about this topic is based on.

 

[timeconsumer]

Allo would be the answer if Google just integrates it into the message app.

It's really sad that people would find an annoyance of going to the app store and installing a cross platform message app, which is the simplest thing in the world to do. The US is probably the only country that faces this physiological dilemma.

Sorry I should have phrased that as Allo isn't the answer in it's current form. But if Google integrated it into the default messaging app that would be a step in the right direction.

What you fail to understand is that there are literally hundreds of groups my wife has would have going. They consist of about 30-40 different people but various people are sent messages depending on the circumstances.

I function very much the same way. Expecting people to remember who has what is ridiculous. These people are not going to install some new app because my wife requests them to do so.

SMH that you think that is realistic.

What realistically happens is that a person opens up imessage and starts adding who is getting the group message that is goin out at that moment. That group may only last an hour or two. The next day 90% of the people from the day before might be added to another group message but 2 might be taken out and 2 different people added.

People are not going to go through the hassle of figuring out who has what. They are going to open imessage and start adding names of people in their phone.

If you scroll through my phone and my wife's phone there are hundreds of groups.

You obviously don't text very much.

I'm glad I don't have that many group messages going on as that sounds confusing to me.

But I get the overall point. If the majority of users are on one platform, it's not exactly convenient to get them all to switch for that one user who just switched to Android. So then the iPhone users will just carry on without them because a group message over MMS lacks features that a group message over iMessage has.

The US just needs to move to a cross-platform messaging solution, but when they are content with what they're currently using that's a difficult task to get people to switch.

 

[mikef07]

Nobody is going to have hundreds of groups simultaneously unless it's work related. And if it's work related, then an already chosen messenger to use exclusively is understandable. But I'm speaking from a social aspect, which is what the most discussions about this topic is based on.

My wife does not work but I am game to explain.

1) My wife takes video and pictures at my kindergartner's class. Send out to 6 different moms whose kids are in class
2) My wife takes video and pictures a mom's play date. 2 are in the kinder class, but 2 are not. Send out to 4 moms
3) My wife takes video and pictures at my kindergartner's class again. One kid is absent. She sends out to 5 different mom from the day before but not the mom whose kid is absent.
4) My wife goes to a mom's group where there are 4 different kids. None in kinder and none from they day before.
5) My wife takes video and pictures of 1 kids from kinder, 1 kid from moms group on day 1, 1 on day 2, and a new one.
6) Wife takes picture of her brother's kid. Sends to her brother, and her parents.
7) Wife take picture of her brother and sisters kids. Sends to her parents , her brother, and her sister.
8) Wife takes pic of our kids. Sends to me, my parents, her parents.
Wife takes pic of our kids playing with someone else's kids. Send to me, her parents, my parents and mother of child in pictures.


That is 8 different groups right there and we haven't even covered the entirety of each day.


For my wife's immediate family and for my immediate family combined there are about 15-20 different groups just from 10 people.

I can go on and on

For me.

I am in NYC at a golf course.

1) Send to golf buddies, wife, and a few people who are into NYC

Later hanging out with some buddies I have in NYC

1) Send to the buddies who know those guys but couldn't be there with us and send to my wife. None of who are into golf so I would not send them it and maybe 1 or 2 who are into NYC depending where we are at.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

My wife does not work but I am game to explain.

1) My wife takes video and pictures at my kindergartner's class. Send out to 6 different moms whose kids are in class
2) My wife takes video and pictures a mom's play date. 2 are in the kinder class, but 2 are not. Send out to 4 moms
3) My wife takes video and pictures at my kindergartner's class again. One kid is absent. She sends out to 5 different mom from the day before but not the mom whose kid is absent.
4) My wife goes to a mom's group where there are 4 different kids. None in kinder and none from they day before.
5) My wife takes video and pictures of 1 kids from kinder, 1 kid from moms group on day 1, 1 on day 2, and a new one.
6) Wife takes picture of her brother's kid. Sends to her brother, and her parents.
7) Wife take picture of her brother and sisters kids. Sends to her parents , her brother, and her sister.
8) Wife takes pic of our kids. Sends to me, my parents, her parents.
Wife takes pic of our kids playing with someone else's kids. Send to me, her parents, my parents and mother of child in pictures.

That still falls in the same description as work related. Sort of like a "PTA" mom. But I guarantee if she sent out a mass memo that she'll be using Telegram for now on to send photos, all the other mothers would comply.

 

[mikef07]

That still falls in the same description as work related. Sort of like a "PTA" mom. But I guarantee if she sent out a mass memo that she'll be using Telegram for now on to send photos, all the other mothers would comply.

No. There is no work. These are playdates and my wife visiting a kindergarten class as a parent for a holiday party. This is not her in charge of photos or her being the "photo taker" for an event. This is just a random standard day or 2.

Like I said you are full of excuses.

No they would not use telegram. 100 people aren't changing because my wife. Not to mention she is on the receiving end of just as many when she is not there and would have to tell them they need to install telegram. Thanks for the laugh.

This falls in the same description of work related about as much as day falls into the same description as night because many many of her friends (none of whom work) use their messaging in a similar matter.

The reality is someone somewhere takes a picture and depending on who is in the picture decides who to send it to at that moment. Since there are about 50 people total that have the possibility of being part of a group there are literally the possibility of thousands of groups. Luckily it never gets there but I can look at her phone and see she has hundreds of group chats that have been started at some point.

 

[apolloa]

This isn’t true, Apple I believed were first with dual cameras in a phone, hell Nokia had actual optical zoom years and years ago. But Apple I think we’re the first with dual cameras?
They were just, and I mean just second with 3D Touch, so again it’s hard to say they followed on that when they launched it a month after the first Android phone with the system.

And the App Store on Apple is a better experience, not the apps, just the fuss free of it all, iOS deletes an App, Android you can go and delete ramining files after like a computer.

As for professional use, well the FAA cleared iPads for use in plane cockpits by pilots, not Android, and iPads and iPhones are everywhere in the enterprise marketplace. I’m not saying Android isn’t use by professionals, but I find it long stretch to somehow proclaim one is more ‘professional’ the the other?

They all have their pluses and minuses.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

No. There is no work. These are playdates and my wife visiting a kindergarten class as a parent for a holiday party. This is not her in charge of photos or her being the "photo taker" for an event. This is just a random standard day or 2.

Like I said you are full of excuses.

No they would not use telegram. 100 people aren't changing because my wife. Not to mention she is on the receiving end of just as many when she is not there and would have to tell them they need to install telegram. Thanks for the laugh.

This falls in the same description of work related about as much as day falls into the same description as night because many many of her friends (none of whom work) use their messaging in a similar matter.

The reality is someone somewhere takes a picture and depending on who is in the picture decides who to send it to at that moment. Since there are about 50 people total that have the possibility of being part of a group there are literally the possibility of thousands of groups. Luckily it never gets there but I can look at her phone and see she has hundreds of group chats that have been started at some point.

When she takes and sends that many photos on a regular basis to that many people, everyone has that expectation from her. Whether it's just her hobby, agreement, or work, it doesn't matter. The expectation of her doing so is there.

And you simply can't say her request for people to view sent photos from Telegram is unrealistic. Because that type of stuff happens in the work place and socially all the time.

Recently, two groups I'm in with hundreds of users switched from Whatsapp to Telegram. Those groups retained an estimate of 95% of the users. One is an gaming group and the other is a motorcycle group. Most of us don't know each other personally, and most didn't use Telegram before the group switched over. No problem at all.

Your assuming to much, because your giving too much power to everyone else's preferences. If people really want to be apart of a message group or message you individually. They will not have an issue with the inclusion of using other messaging apps.