Iphone X vs Android - I know I know..

[mib1800]

My wife does not work but I am game to explain.

1) My wife takes video and pictures at my kindergartner's class. Send out to 6 different moms whose kids are in class
2) My wife takes video and pictures a mom's play date. 2 are in the kinder class, but 2 are not. Send out to 4 moms
3) My wife takes video and pictures at my kindergartner's class again. One kid is absent. She sends out to 5 different mom from the day before but not the mom whose kid is absent.
4) My wife goes to a mom's group where there are 4 different kids. None in kinder and none from they day before.
5) My wife takes video and pictures of 1 kids from kinder, 1 kid from moms group on day 1, 1 on day 2, and a new one.
6) Wife takes picture of her brother's kid. Sends to her brother, and her parents.
7) Wife take picture of her brother and sisters kids. Sends to her parents , her brother, and her sister.
8) Wife takes pic of our kids. Sends to me, my parents, her parents.
Wife takes pic of our kids playing with someone else's kids. Send to me, her parents, my parents and mother of child in pictures.


That is 8 different groups right there and we haven't even covered the entirety of each day.


For my wife's immediate family and for my immediate family combined there are about 15-20 different groups just from 10 people.

I can go on and on

For me.

I am in NYC at a golf course.

1) Send to golf buddies, wife, and a few people who are into NYC

Later hanging out with some buddies I have in NYC

1) Send to the buddies who know those guys but couldn't be there with us and send to my wife. None of who are into golf so I would not send them it and maybe 1 or 2 who are into NYC depending where we are at.

If you were using android, you don't have to play second fiddle. Just grab your group by the neck and share your photos/files using a non-discriminatory popular messenger like Whatsapp/fb messenger and make them use that to get access to your share.

It is unlikely everyone in your group is using iPhone. So those Android users will be on your side. And it is not like all of them are on one messenger (iMessage) contrary to popular belief. If you use fb, Instagram etc like it or not those are messengers too. So things like, my group dont want or don't know how to install or too many messengers are confusing are more like excuses than real issues

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

This isn’t true, Apple I believed were first with dual cameras in a phone, hell Nokia had actual optical zoom years and years ago. But Apple I think we’re the first with dual cameras?
They were just, and I mean just second with 3D Touch, so again it’s hard to say they followed on that when they launched it a month after the first Android phone with the system.

And the App Store on Apple is a better experience, not the apps, just the fuss free of it all, iOS deletes an App, Android you can go and delete ramining files after like a computer.

As for professional use, well the FAA cleared iPads for use in plane cockpits by pilots, not Android, and iPads and iPhones are everywhere in the enterprise marketplace. I’m not saying Android isn’t use by professionals, but I find it long stretch to somehow proclaim one is more ‘professional’ the the other?

They all have their pluses and minuses.

iPads had the early upper hand in being implemented into the workforce due to battery life. At least that's what I've noticed.

 

[mikef07]

If you were using android, you don't have to play second fiddle. Just grab your group by the neck and share your photos/files using a non-discriminatory popular messenger like Whatsapp/fb messenger and make them use that to get access to your share.

It is unlikely everyone in your group is using iPhone. So those Android users will be on your side.

Actually yes literally each person is using an iphone. I have yet to see one of my wife's friends or family members who did not have an iphone. My wife is not making anyone do anything. Hell when I had my S7 she still would not use whatsapp. We don't control the group. This is not some boss making decisions. These are people who are going to use what they prefer.

OR

Just use imessage which is by far the best message app.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Actually yes literally each person is using an iphone. I have yet to see one of my wife's friends or family members who did not have an iphone. My wife is not making anyone do anything. Hell when I had my S7 she still would not use whatsapp. We don't control the group. This is not some boss making decisions. These are people who are going to use what they prefer.

OR

Just use imessage which is by far the best message app.

So you are saying ....... If your wife switched to a Note 8, and didn't have the option to use iMessage. The people in her groups would refuse to install another messenger app on their iPhones to look at your wife's sent photos they have been enjoying for so long? I find that very hard to believe.

It's one thing to have a preference. If iMessage was on Android implemented the exact same way, I would prefer that too. But it's another thing to claim using another messenger is not doable or a lifestyle restriction.

 

[mib1800]

Actually yes literally each person is using an iphone. I have yet to see one of my wife's friends or family members who did not have an iphone. My wife is not making anyone do anything. Hell when I had my S7 she still would not use whatsapp. We don't control the group. This is not some boss making decisions. These are people who are going to use what they prefer.

OR

Just use imessage which is by far the best message app.

Does apple has 100% market share in US? No. So most probably your perception is wrong. Even if that is true then that scenario is an exception rather than the norm.

 

[mikef07]

So you are saying ....... If your wife switched to a Note 8, and didn't have the option to use iMessage. The people in her groups would refuse to install another messenger app on their iPhones to look at your wife's sent photos they have been enjoying for so long? I find that very hard to believe.

It's one thing to have a preference. If iMessage was on Android implemented the exact same way, I would prefer that too. But it's another thing to claim using another messenger is not doable or a lifestyle restriction.

UH yeah I know it 100%. You know how I know? Because when I got an Android my wife wouldn't switch from imessage so I can guarantee her friends would not switch. They would just have to disregard pictures and/or video she sent. Since their world does not revolve around here it would not be a big deal to them. Since if they included her, the pictures and video are downgraded she wouldn't be included. Kind of like how I was not included since I had the Android phone. Again just one more way Apple is simply more polished than Android is. If Android was smart they would pick a default message app that allowed no downgraded video/pictures instead of the same old tired technology.

Again you have been proven wrong over and over. A for effort though.
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Does apple has 100% market share in US? No. So most probably your perception is wrong. Even if that is true then that scenario is an exception rather than the norm.

Absolutely not. I know for sure that of the 20 or so family members who have phones 100% of them have iphones. I also know that of every person that has been part of a group chat that I have been part of and that has been a part on my wife's phone who has sent video and/pictures where the video and/or pictures have been sent as imessages instead of MMS messages they also have iphones.

It isn't real hard to figure out.

You should have been able to figure that out. IF 50 people have received and sent imessages then it iss pretty obvious they have iphones.

Please explain how my wife and her friends have received imessages without iphones. I'll wait for your answer.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

UH yeah I know it 100%. You know how I know? Because when I got an Android my wife wouldn't switch from imessage so I can guarantee her friends would not switch. They would just have to disregard pictures and/or video she sent. Since their world does not revolve around here it would not be a big deal to them. Since if they included her, the pictures and video are downgraded she wouldn't be included. Kind of like how I was not included since I had the Android phone. Again just one more way Apple is simply more polished than Android is. If Android was smart they would pick a default message app that allowed no downgraded video/pictures instead of the same old tired technology.

Again you have been proven wrong over and over. A for effort though.

This is not about being wrong, right, or winning an argument. It's seems you are coming up with over the top examples as an excuse for saying using cross-platform or multiple messenger apps/services is not doable. But it's obvious where your point stands, so I just leave you with that.

The majority however has had no problem doing so, and don't just assume they are out of the loop without iMessage.

 

[mikef07]

This is not about being wrong, right, or winning an argument. It's seems you are coming up with over the top examples as an excuse for saying using cross-platform or multiple messenger apps/services is not doable. But it's obvious where your point stands, so I just leave you with that.

The majority however has had no problem doing so, and don't just assume they are out of the loop without iMessage.

Over the top examples? These are real life examples.

Simply put I told you one appeal of an iPhone is the ability to use a default message program to send photos and video messages that have not been downgraded. You then proceeded to say that unless you had work having a ton of group chats was not realistic except almost every person I know has tons of group chats going not related to work.

One of the key reasons for people to choose an iPhone over the Android is because of iMessage. No app to install. No forcing people to switch. It just works.

One of the things I missed when I had an Android was the FaceTime and iMessage experience and what you fail to realize is that every single time you meet someone if they haven iPhone you need to then tell them to install a new message program. That is unrealistic.

The majority many not have an issue with sending messages though an app other than iMessage and if you are not sending pics/videos often then it surely is a non issue.

In my circle and my wife's circle (who have very different circles) the majority (well over 90%) have iPhones. It is one reason why I likely won't ever switch again. Now emojis I could not care less about. If that went away I would not care.

FaceTime is another aspect. There are other video chat message apps but none integrate with the iPhone as well as FaceTime.

The browser for me is another one. A solid browser that comes with it.

Photos and Mail would be 2 more.


You have 5 widely accepted default programs that are as good as anything out there which is why the iPhone is so well accepted.

It seems as if the only reason people switch from an iPhone is not being able to customize or the hardware. I don't now if I ever read anybody switching because they don't like photos, mail, safari, FaceTime, or iMessage.

 

[KingslayerG5]

I think some hardcore fans from both sides try to make it sound like all this phone mumbo jumbo as if it's rocket science. They check everything from speed tests, photo comparisons, to battery life. It's just a phone.

Most of the talk here will fly over 90% of the average consumer's head like WHUT? Both platforms function nearly the same way and the most critical one is to run apps. That's it. The rest is trying to split hairs or showing off.

Maybe some prefer the Apple ecosystem or need iMessages. That's cool. Others don't need that. They just want apps to perform for them. There really is nothing to it. Whatever you prefer or need, that's what you go for.

You fly first class or economy or drive a Honda or Ferrari, they function the same way. They are taking you somewhere. You stay in a two-star hotel or five-star hotel, you fulfill a need called rest and sleep. You eat at McDonald's or Spago, you fulfill a need called eating.

It's not like whether you get an iPhone X that it will change how you will use your phone. Not many even use their phone to their full potential whether they spend $50 or $1000+ on it. People will still run the same apps from their previous phone.

Alot of it is just showing off and posturing when it isn't rocket science. It's all a matter of preferences and running specific apps and functions you need.

 

[koigirl]

You’re on an Apple focused forum with what I’d wager are predominantly US based members. That’s why this discussion carries more weight.

iPhone market share is higher here than anywhere else in the world. SMS/MMS are generally free for everyone here. There is zero motivation for people to use third party messaging solutions outside of very specific needs, ie. teens/millennials using Snapchat more than others. WhatsApp usage in the US is next to nothing. The iPhone could disappear entirely tomorrow and you know what most people would use here? SMS. IMessage being layered on top of it with expanded functionality just makes the experience for iPhone users that much better. Leaving that behind means going through a lot of effort to try to convert your other iPhone using contacts to a third party solution (not going to happy with any ubiquity) or settle for basic SMS. That’s why iMessage is so valuable to many here.
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And IIRC, you just returned to the US after many years in Europe (Germany?). WhatsApp is used by very few in the US. Not a viable solution for most US users.

 

[The Game 161]

too many threads in this section comparing the two brands instead of enjoying both. It's like my team is better than your team...

 

[mikef07]

too many threads in this section comparing the two brands instead of enjoying both. It's like my team is better than your team...

Here is the difference. If someone says they need to customize so they prefer Android I don't tell them they don't need to customize. I might not need to customize, but I don't downplay what they want to do. The difference is that many people group chat and imessage is simply better than any default message app from Android. Instead of telling someone they don't have that many group chats, acknowledge that imessage is better for group chats when sending videos/pictures and move on.

 

[convergent]

too many threads in this section comparing the two brands instead of enjoying both. It's like my team is better than your team...

If you don't have discussions comparing the two brands, then where would someone go to try to make a decision on which device type to buy? The problem is that these threads attract people that have some kind of religious attachment to their device preference and want to banish everyone in the world that doesn't agree with them. Its a totally dumb world view, because if they got what they wanted there would seize to be competition and their one choice would eventually become pretty bad.

The discussions are most useful when everyone approaches it like this...

- I have the following use cases
- I prefer this device because it allows me to handle my use case in this way
or
- I don't prefer that device because it doesn't support something in my use case
or
- I just like or dislike something about it like design, etc..

A comment like, Apple users accept what Apple gives them... I don't find offensive or combative now, and I didn't find it that way when I was using an Apple phone. Its just reality... and there are pros and cons.

Back to messaging, the people outside the US who are dismissing those in the US saying its a big deal... you are simply wrong. If you could just hang out in those chats and you got a lower quality image or video, it would be one thing. Your very existence in those group chats with iPhone users make their iPhone to iPhone communications degraded as well. You are quickly going to be everyone's worst nightmare and be kicked out of all those group chats, which in and of itself is a pain in the butt to do. I really only have group chats with my family, and so its only a few people. Even with them its been a big annoyance and I feel bad that I'm causing them to have to disrupt their whole process of communicating... and I'm talking about a half dozen people.

The only solution to this is a replacement for MMS that creates a drop back that doesn't greatly degrade images and videos when not everyone is communicating with the proprietary protocol. Then every person can use their own choice of phone, and their own choice of messaging app, and everyone is happy. Then messaging apps could compete, devices could compete, and you wouldn't people literally trapped to one device choice.

 

[Puddled]

too many threads in this section comparing the two brands instead of enjoying both. It's like my team is better than your team...

There is not enough, specifically there isn't really an in depth thread (current) discussing the actual differences between IOS and Android. The discussion is spattered across various threads but not discussed in a single thread.

Android vs Iphone: Which one and why.

 

[The Game 161]

I'm talking more about the multiple threads on the same subject.

Sadly though it's not all useful information. Too much agenda based posts that aren't objective unfortunately. I understand though that for many it's hard not to be.

 

[Puddled]

If you don't have discussions comparing the two brands, then where would someone go to try to make a decision on which device type to buy? The problem is that these threads attract people that have some kind of religious attachment to their device preference and want to banish everyone in the world that doesn't agree with them. Its a totally dumb world view, because if they got what they wanted there would seize to be competition and their one choice would eventually become pretty bad.

The discussions are most useful when everyone approaches it like this...

- I have the following use cases
- I prefer this device because it allows me to handle my use case in this way
or
- I don't prefer that device because it doesn't support something in my use case
or
- I just like or dislike something about it like design, etc..

A comment like, Apple users accept what Apple gives them... I don't find offensive or combative now, and I didn't find it that way when I was using an Apple phone. Its just reality... and there are pros and cons.

Back to messaging, the people outside the US who are dismissing those in the US saying its a big deal... you are simply wrong. If you could just hang out in those chats and you got a lower quality image or video, it would be one thing. Your very existence in those group chats with iPhone users make their iPhone to iPhone communications degraded as well. You are quickly going to be everyone's worst nightmare and be kicked out of all those group chats, which in and of itself is a pain in the butt to do. I really only have group chats with my family, and so its only a few people. Even with them its been a big annoyance and I feel bad that I'm causing them to have to disrupt their whole process of communicating... and I'm talking about a half dozen people.

The only solution to this is a replacement for MMS that creates a drop back that doesn't greatly degrade images and videos when not everyone is communicating with the proprietary protocol. Then every person can use their own choice of phone, and their own choice of messaging app, and everyone is happy. Then messaging apps could compete, devices could compete, and you wouldn't people literally trapped to one device choice.

I thought this was what hangouts was going to be. I got all of my family on it (because its cross-platform) and we all use it on our androids and platforms.

Then Google remove sms integration
then they bring out Allo
and then Duo
and then i hear that call/video and message quality are far superior on them than hangouts
and then i learn that allo has google's AI assistant strapped to it which i don't want tbh
but allo (didn't) have PC integration and now it does, but you need your phone switched on

and i wonder wtf Google are doing.

and then i think perhaps i'll give the google sphere another go and have to stop because the dialer isn't available unless you have a pixel and on and on.

It is things like this that make me wish that Samsung were actually Google and had the platform to roll out their own IM service.


Google messaging is a mess.

 

[macher]

I really like Google Assistant on my Pixel 2 I use it a lot. To me Siri sucks compared to GA.

 

[SurferMan]

It would be nice if all (apple, google, carriers etc) implemented something that was universal to imessage. I would say more and more of my friends, family, noticed even in my business how many have switched to Android including employees or clients, yet I still have some friends that have iPhones and fairly frequently if we're on a group text its common to have issues, text flip flopping from separate to group, pics not showing etc, someone in the group isn't getting messages etc. Have no idea if its an iMessage thing or Android, but whenever I have text issues its always when someone on the other end has an iPhone. Now I have friends that will flip around from Android to iOS and back and forth with different phones, they disable iMessage b/c otherwise iMessage is a royal cluster f#$% trying to deal with when switching, and not just disable, you sometimes have to have people delete text and groups on the other end to get crap working right again which is ridiculous.... but thats the Apple way lol. I swear sometimes Apple does stuff on purpose just to be annoying.

But I can also see it from an iOS user perspective as who honestly wants to install multiple apps for messaging, I deleted my whatsapp b/c I never used it, nor anybody I knew, you could even see their last logins and just checking before I deleted it like nobody had logged in from months to over a year. That said, I usually use FB messenger for group stuff where theres videos etc.

But would be nice if there was a universal system built in that could be used, like I use Textra vs stock msg app, but Textra with something programmed to work with imessage etc would be awesome

 

[lowendlinux]

I thought this was what hangouts was going to be. I got all of my family on it (because its cross-platform) and we all use it on our androids and platforms.

Then Google remove sms integration
then they bring out Allo
and then Duo
and then i hear that call/video and message quality are far superior on them than hangouts
and then i learn that allo has google's AI assistant strapped to it which i don't want tbh
but allo (didn't) have PC integration and now it does, but you need your phone switched on

and i wonder wtf Google are doing.

and then i think perhaps i'll give the google sphere another go and have to stop because the dialer isn't available unless you have a pixel and on and on.

It is things like this that make me wish that Samsung were actually Google and had the platform to roll out their own IM service.


Google messaging is a mess.

I use Duo and WhatsApp video/audio just about every day and Duo is a bit better than WhatsApp if the camera is moving but that's it.

It would be nice if all (apple, google, carriers etc) implemented something that was universal to imessage. I would say more and more of my friends, family, noticed even in my business how many have switched to Android including employees or clients, yet I still have some friends that have iPhones and fairly frequently if we're on a group text its common to have issues, text flip flopping from separate to group, pics not showing etc, someone in the group isn't getting messages etc. Have no idea if its an iMessage thing or Android, but whenever I have text issues its always when someone on the other end has an iPhone. Now I have friends that will flip around from Android to iOS and back and forth with different phones, they disable iMessage b/c otherwise iMessage is a royal cluster f#$% trying to deal with when switching, and not just disable, you sometimes have to have people delete text and groups on the other end to get crap working right again which is ridiculous.... but thats the Apple way lol. I swear sometimes Apple does stuff on purpose just to be annoying.

But I can also see it from an iOS user perspective as who honestly wants to install multiple apps for messaging, I deleted my whatsapp b/c I never used it, nor anybody I knew, you could even see their last log ins and just checking before I deleted it like nobody had logged in from months to over a year. That said, I usually use FB messenger for group stuff where theres videos etc

But would be nice if there was a universal system built in that could be used, like I use Textra vs stock msg app, but Textra with something programmed to work with imessage etc would be awesome

This is the reason I switched everyone in the office to WhatsApp. We are two older Galaxies, an iPhone, and my Nexus it's just simpler.

 

[timeconsumer]

It would be nice if all (apple, google, carriers etc) implemented something that was universal to imessage. I would say more and more of my friends, family, noticed even in my business how many have switched to Android including employees or clients, yet I still have some friends that have iPhones and fairly frequently if we're on a group text its common to have issues, text flip flopping from separate to group, pics not showing etc, someone in the group isn't getting messages etc. Have no idea if its an iMessage thing or Android, but whenever I have text issues its always when someone on the other end has an iPhone. Now I have friends that will flip around from Android to iOS and back and forth with different phones, they disable iMessage b/c otherwise iMessage is a royal cluster f#$% trying to deal with when switching, and not just disable, you sometimes have to have people delete text and groups on the other end to get crap working right again which is ridiculous.... but thats the Apple way lol. I swear sometimes Apple does stuff on purpose just to be annoying.

But I can also see it from an iOS user perspective as who honestly wants to install multiple apps for messaging, I deleted my whatsapp b/c I never used it, nor anybody I knew, you could even see their last logins and just checking before I deleted it like nobody had logged in from months to over a year. That said, I usually use FB messenger for group stuff where theres videos etc

But would be nice if there was a universal system built in that could be used, like I use Textra vs stock msg app, but Textra with something programmed to work with imessage etc would be awesome

I agree, I know Google has a universal RCS that they were trying to push but there hasn't been much news about it lately: https://www.blog.google/topics/rcs/

I think in the US only Sprint and T-Mobile have the Google RCS profile implemented. Verizon has their version of it in the Messages+ app but that only works between users on that same app. Not sure about AT&T.

Once the carriers offer this, Apple would still have to update their Messages app to support this and who knows when or if they will do that.

 

[SurferMan]

This is the reason I switched everyone in the office to WhatsApp. We are two older Galaxies, an iPhone, and my Nexus it's just simpler.

Literally nobody I know uses whatsapp though, few of us tried, and people would just ignore not bother checking the app. Even when I uninstalled it, I flicked through as you can see when people last logged in, it had been like months to well over a year flipping through contacts seeing when someone last logged in.

I agree, I know Google has a universal RCS that they were trying to push but there hasn't been much news about it lately: https://www.blog.google/topics/rcs/

I think in the US only Sprint and T-Mobile have the Google RCS profile implemented. Verizon has their version of it in the Messages+ app but that only works between users on that same app. Not sure about AT&T.

Once the carriers offer this, Apple would still have to update their Messages app to support this and who knows when or if they will do that.

Yeah and thats the ****** part is knowing Apple, the chance of them updating iMessage to universally work is slim to none. I'm on AT&T

And with Google you'd think with all that tech and backing they'd have already had something out all these years later since iMessage that was implemented with carriers... boggles my mind that they don't and not the wonky way Verizon does it. Samsung bought Newnet early this year so guess we'll see with that as that is to compete against iMessage, and considering how many people and more and more keep switching to Android and leaving iOS it can't come soon enough... that is literally the only pro over Android I liked (iMessage) with my iPhones but again it became fairly useless and even friends disabled theirs as some liked to switch phones and you to disable it otherwise you'll put your head through a wall trying to deal with it. Like I said I have more friends, family, business, employees etc on Android now. Literally my neighbors wife is the only one on my street with an iPhone besides their kids. So an Android version of iMessage would be very welcome lol, as well as hopefully Apple allowing some type of integration to work universally.