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So, your iPhone should work with every accessory Apple releases after you bought your iPhone? You do know that their Time Machine is a backup feature right? Apple doesn't have an actual time machine.

Why shouldn't they work? It's a pair of headphones.
How does it make sense for Apple to release a new premium headset with a mic and button, and yet not make it compatible from the product that would most gain benefit from it?

This is not a hardware issue, at least it sure as **** shouldn't be.

It will be absolutely stupid for Apple to leave iPhone owners in the cold over this.
 
Why can't you believe that volume control protocol is hardwired on the logic board, rather than implemented in software?

I can believe that. And how so convenient for them.What I can't believe is Apple had no forethought about the impact on 1st gen touch users and made/engineered to work with BOTH from the git go!

They knew what they were doing! Why can't You see that they could of designed to work with both? :rolleyes:
 
Freq response mess-up

So how do we hear details from a earphone (that is supposedly designed for the iPod) when the iPoddoes not support the frequency response or am I wrong? Can someone clarify on a technical standpoint. Or is part of the mic frequency response

Man, the human ear cannot even hear below 20Hz or over 20kHz. And that in perfect conditions!!! After some nights at the disco and other ear-destroying activities you probably cant even hear over 18kHz (at age 24, for example).

The details you can hear from the supposedly great frequency response means that the graphic where each frequency band is shown is pretty flat, so that no freqs hide each other, which is a pretty common problem. What you're talking about should be better called the frequency range, not the response.

Greets ;)
 
Camera soon?

I'm a little surprised I haven't seen anyone mention that huge black patch on the back where the camera is on the iPhone...am I the only one that noticed that or is it used for something else I haven't connected yet?
 
Anyone know why the in ear headphones wouldn't fully work with the 3g iPhone? Seems the new iPod Touch is identical to the iPhone now. This seems very strange and a huge oversight on Apple's behalf especially since these are reproduction of the headphones developed for the iPhone. :confused:
If these fit deeper in the ear & block external sound, maybe Apple's worried about the safety of using them for the phone while driving.
 
I've purchased a few apple products and will well might be purchasing a new macbook if they are released before dec otherwise ill stick to a pc laptop.

reason for purchasing the apple products, they all work well together. and having these headphones/mic is awesome, but 'IT DOESNT JUST WORK" on any apple product. apple is losing its focus.
 
Are you sure about that? I thought I'd read that the iPod Touch only offered video output through its Dock connector. I'd just assumed that the 1st generation iPod Touch literally didn't have any hardware at all connected to the headphone jack's 4th collar.
No, I'm not sure about that. I'm just recalling something I read last night, but hey, I was also enjoying some delicious beer.

It's possible that the 1st gen iPod touch has video only on the dock connector; I use an older S-Video Universal Dock. In any case, the remote/mic functions on the new earphones still won't work with the 1st gen touch since it's not wired for that.
 
Steve said it

yesterday i watched the keynote and noticed that when steve jobs came back on stage after phil stopped demoing the games, steve said "it (iPod touch) will also work with the new headphones we are shipping next month" or something along those lines.

check it out arn :D

and the touch better support the mic (and voip)... cos i just ordered a touch on that very basis.:cool:
 
Why shouldn't they work? It's a pair of headphones.
How does it make sense for Apple to release a new premium headset with a mic and button, and yet not make it compatible from the product that would most gain benefit from it?

This is not a hardware issue, at least it sure as **** shouldn't be.

It will be absolutely stupid for Apple to leave iPhone owners in the cold over this.

Look, the standard stereo mini headphone port has three segments to it. Left, Right, and Ground. Standard stereo headphones have the same three segments.

If you want to add something else to this port, such as video or a microphone, you need another segment. Most miniDV camcorders have it so you can plug into a composite video source. The iPhone has it for the microphone (and I presume the little button to answer calls). These are hardwired to different parts on the board inside the phone.

You can't just use software to reroute hardwired controls. You are supposing that Apple should be abstracting every hardware item so that it gets connected to the OS, which then dispatches each signal to the correct place, in real time.

Well, they didn't do that because consumer OSes aren't realtime. They do what they can as fast as they can, but you can't get away with the latency that comes with routing every hardware connection through software first.

If you're suddenly not happy with your device because a new device has other features, then you've got to decide if you want to buy the new device and sell or otherwise discard your current one.
 
Bluetooth??

How does the "Nike + iPod support built in" communicate with the shoe?
Is it using Bluetooth?

what about VOiP on the iPod Touch with a iPhone Bluetooth Headset?

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No convenient buttons that let you adjust volume and control music and video playback though...
 
How does the "Nike + iPod support built in" communicate with the shoe?
Is it using Bluetooth?

what about VOiP on the iPod Touch with a iPhone Bluetooth Headset?

accessories_headset20080609.jpg


No convenient buttons that let you adjust volume and control music and video playback though...

Good thought...anyone know?

I agree with whoever said earlier that this makes yesterday's announcement much more attractive. Still not groundbreaking, but it would be nice to run Skype on this...
 
Why shouldn't they work? It's a pair of headphones.
How does it make sense for Apple to release a new premium headset with a mic and button, and yet not make it compatible from the product that would most gain benefit from it?

This is not a hardware issue, at least it sure as **** shouldn't be.

It will be absolutely stupid for Apple to leave iPhone owners in the cold over this.

But....what if the older headphone jack doesn't physically support the audio or data-in function from the headphones? I mean, they can't retrofit the jacks on the already shipped iPods, etc.
 
Look, the standard stereo mini headphone port has three segments to it. Left, Right, and Ground. Standard stereo headphones have the same three segments.

If you want to add something else to this port, such as video or a microphone, you need another segment. Most miniDV camcorders have it so you can plug into a composite video source. The iPhone has it for the microphone (and I presume the little button to answer calls). These are hardwired to different parts on the board inside the phone.

You can't just use software to reroute hardwired controls. You are supposing that Apple should be abstracting every hardware item so that it gets connected to the OS, which then dispatches each signal to the correct place, in real time.

Well, they didn't do that because consumer OSes aren't realtime. They do what they can as fast as they can, but you can't get away with the latency that comes with routing every hardware connection through software first.

If you're suddenly not happy with your device because a new device has other features, then you've got to decide if you want to buy the new device and sell or otherwise discard your current one.
I don't know if you own an iPhone, but the headphones that come with it are segmented four times. Really the only thing that should stop the new headset from having the volume working is the iPhone not knowing what to do with the signals the set sends. Remember not only can the button answer and hangup calls but it can also skip tracks and pause and play.
 
I think that anyone who has ever done the most basic of audio work would realize why the jack cannot be made universally backward compatible. It's too bad for the first gen touch owners, but the iphone already has a mic...

I'm curious to find out the quality of the recording. If the touch can record with some decent fidelity, and someone comes out with a real microphone for it, it would make a handy portable recorder for interviews or musicians. Throw in a simple multi-track editing program and we have GarageBandLite. Or at least something for capturing tracks for later use in GB.

Great feature. The big one I was hoping for.
 
How does the "Nike + iPod support built in" communicate with the shoe?
Is it using Bluetooth?

what about VOiP on the iPod Touch with a iPhone Bluetooth Headset?

I read somewhere yesterday that the Bloot'th working with the Nike+ sensor is a limited version which doesn't support full Bloot'th functionality.
 
Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that adding Mic functionality cannot be done with just a software update. There is hardware that need's to be different in the device for a 'line in' input, plus a regular headphone jack only has the necessary connections for stero left & right, therefore a special jack on the device in addition to the special earphones is needed to add the ability for the mic and controls to work.

I am sure the functionality IS in the 2.1 software but if your device is not equipped with the hardware then it makes sense that it won't work. It would be like trying to add bluetooth support with just software when the hardware to do it doesn't exist!!
 
I'm feeling I find it hard to choose between an iPod Touch or iPhone. Until yesterday I was set for an iPhone, but now I'm not sure.

I think this is the best f*cking thing Apple has done in awhile.
Now we don't have to use the crappy AT&T to make phone calls!!!!!!!!!!
I could theoretically call someone without a call dropping....
YES... this news is fantastic
 
I think the biggest issue Apple has right now is shown in this thread, they have many very similar products (ear phones) that do not all fully work on all of their ipod/iphone products.

It is just a total mess that is only likely to lead to customer confusion and reduced customer satisfaction.

Given how close the iPhone 3G release is to the iPod Touch 2nd gen release and the fact that the earphones+mic would have had to have been in development at the same time as the other two products, I just don't know why you wuld not want these earphones to work in full on both products.

Maybe I am expecting too much but surely when connected to an iPhone 3G the iPod controls could serve as double functions and Play could be treated as Answer or Pause being mute in phone mode etc?

The touch with the new ear phones+mic sounds like it has a lot of potential, but the call seems to be out there for a Skype client etc to really make a difference. A Skype client would certainly encourage me to get my wallet out, right now it is just a nice product that I could get but it doesn't have the must have feature... yet.
 
I read somewhere yesterday that the Bloot'th working with the Nike+ sensor is a limited version which doesn't support full Bloot'th functionality.

Now THAT is something Apple could add with software/firmware isn't it? If they expand the range of the Bluetooth-chip, the iPhone Bluetooth Headset could be used on the iPod Touch. Or is it a super-basic-own-build-single-frequency Bluetooth-chip in there?

I think the biggest issue Apple has right now is shown in this thread, they have many very similar products (ear phones) that do not all fully work on all of their ipod/iphone products.

It is just a total mess that is only likely to lead to customer confusion and reduced customer satisfaction. ..//..

I agree Jbernie.
 
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