Is anyone here staying with Montery and not upgrading to Ventura

[the8thark]

Personally I am sticking with Montery on my M1 iMac. Thankfully it did not ship with Ventura.
Montery works mostly fine and gets the job done with only a few issues which I troubleshooted myself out of.
I just feel in my own personal opinion, Ventura is a broken ugly mess of an OS.

Are you sticking with Montery? Is so, why are you sticking with this OS?

 

[posguy99]

I don't ever install the new until the following WWDC, so the earliest I'd be installing Ventura is June 2023.

There's no reason for me to install Ventura any earlier, Monterey is supported until 2024 and there's nothing in the Ventura feature list I care about.

 

[rumorguy]

Monterey 👍

 

[auxbuss]

I've just updated to Monterey from Catalina. Will consider Ventura after the next release. I'm happy to let the shiny-people iron out the bugs.

 

[wdhpgx]

I generally don't upgrade the OS until I have to (some piece of software needs it, I buy a new machine that comes with it, etc).

 

[unrigestered]

will stay on Monterey for a good while while too

 

[Tagbert]

Ventura has been more stable than Monterey.

 

[AL2TEACH]

I'm staying because my late 2015 iMac can't update,

 

[TorbenIbsen]

I don't ever install the new until the following WWDC, so the earliest I'd be installing Ventura is June 2023.

There's no reason for me to install Ventura any earlier, Monterey is supported until 2024 and there's nothing in the Ventura feature list I care about.

Same here.

 

[Nermal]

From what I can tell, none of my reported bugs have been fixed and a bunch of new ones have been introduced, so it's a "nope" from me.

 

[k27]

I'm staying because my late 2015 iMac can't update,

Maybe your Mac is supported.

OpenCore Legacy Patcher

Experience macOS just like before

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[k27]

Are you sticking with Montery? Is so, why are you sticking with this OS?

It is not a good idea not to upgrade to Ventura. Apple may leave security holes and critical bugs open in old versions.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-releases-macos-ventura-13-1-with-freeform-advanced-data-protection-find-my-improvements-and-more.2373429/page-4?post=31802792#post-31802792

 

[unrigestered]

yes, but on the other hand it is not a good idea to update too early as some apps you're relying on won't work perfectly anymore (or not at all), or **** like awful battery life emerges, so pick your poison.

and in my opinion, unless you are extremely careless, or one of the most wanted persons on the planet, you should be "safe", even on old operating systems, since of course even the most recent and secure systems will not be able to safe you from everything.
It's actually you who are the largest security risk on your system(s)

 

[k27]

yes, but on the other hand it is not a good idea to update too early as some apps you're relying on won't work perfectly anymore (or not at all), or **** like awful battery life emerges, so pick your poison.

The problem is that Apple does not maintain legacy versions properly. With Microsoft and serious Linux distributions, even old versions still get proper support. There are also roadmaps about how long something will be supported.
What Apple does is not professional support.

"Making these decisions is always a gamble. Although I well understand you might feel more reassured by waiting a couple of weeks to ensure there are no showstoppers that might make upgrading unwise, delaying beyond the first update brings ever-increasing risk. That’s no longer a risk I’m prepared to take: I put my production Mac where my mouth is, and upgraded it to Ventura on the day of its release, followed rapidly by my other Macs."

Last Week on My Mac: Home truths about macOS

True or false? Apple supports macOS for three years. Apple’s security updates are sufficient. New versions of macOS are full of bugs. It’s safer to delay upgrading.

eclecticlight.co

and in my opinion, unless you are extremely careless, or one of the most wanted persons on the planet, you should be "safe", even on old operating systems, since of course even the most recent and secure systems will not be able to safe you from everything.
It's actually you who are the largest security risk on your system(s)

"Much as I respect Andrew Cunningham in Ars Technica, I question his conclusion that “most people running an up-to-date Big Sur or Monterey installation with an up-to-date Safari browser should be safe from most high-priority threats, especially if you also keep the other apps on your Mac updated.” Even if security threats were the only concern, this begs the question as to how to tell whether you are among those “most people”, and the only threats you’ll ever encounter are among the “most high-priority threats” that you should be safe from.


It’s a similar argument to that concerning vaccination of younger people against Covid or other generally non-fatal conditions. Most people under the age of 70 who are in reasonably good health should be safe from serious or prolonged illness or death. But the only way to tell whether you are most people is in retrospect.


Mark Josh Long’s words: “macOS Mojave is — and presumably always will be — vulnerable to the “FORCEDENTRY” bug that has been actively exploited by the Pegasus spyware.” What other actively exploited bugs are Big Sur and Monterey now vulnerable to? What bugs remain in their old versions of APFS, Time Machine, or anything else in the system that could result in data loss?"

Last Week on My Mac: Home truths about macOS

True or false? Apple supports macOS for three years. Apple’s security updates are sufficient. New versions of macOS are full of bugs. It’s safer to delay upgrading.

eclecticlight.co

Edit:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1458930288558370816

 

[unrigestered]

well, according to quite a few conclusions that i've read, is that Windows currently actually is the OS with the fewest open vulnerabilities.
so if you really need the utmost security: switching to Windows should be the conclusion then.

but i agree that Apple with it's annual releases, immediately starting to neglect the previous year's OS security is really a **** move.
of course there's even worse alternatives on phone OS's, but for traditional computer systems, they're actually offering the most "unprofessional" solution on the market. (unprofessional in the form what enterprises are expecting,of course, as when it comes to making "hobbyists" buy new systems, even though they are otherwise still working just perfectly fine for them, is of course pretty "professional" of them that most other companies haven't refined to such extent (yet) )

 

[TracerAnalog]

I always wait for all my software to be declared compatible and supported under a new OS. I cannot risk having a DAW plugin fail in any of my projects. Usually I end up upgrading around WWDC.

 

[mrwizardno2]

Downgraded from Ventura - sticking with Monterey for the foreseeable future.

 

[MBAir2010]

since Snow Leopard, there have been little nuances with the next operating system.
expect for Ventura, the OS is great!
Maybe the M silicone processor is a huge factor on how flawless the system is from Monterey,
which ran perfect as well.

The Mavericks-High Sierra days with bugs and annoyances first releases might be over?

 

[Bazza1]

Sticking with Monterey - but because my 2017 Air (sold through 2018 and into 2019 - mine built in the spring of 2018) does not qualify for even a hobbled version of Ventura. OS support of less than 4 years. 2017 Macbook Pro does qualify.

Am considering an update to M-series, but the M1 technology now 2 years old, so given the above time frame, possibly not a wise buy. My Air still runs fine, and I have all the ports I need without additional hubs - noting that not everywhere I've travelled to has peripherals with Wi-Fi connectivity.

 

[MBAir2010]

Just want to type that Monterey ran perfect on my MacBook Pro and Mini 2012 with 12 GB of RAM.
that OCPL was great and booted every time.
Im certain Ventura would provide the same results on older Mac computers.

 

[leifp]

I tend to upgrade all of my tech around the same time. Last one to a .1 or .2 update, depending on stability news (I also wait at least 1 week post release to see if anything rears its ugly head).

I’ll be upgrading to Ventura next week if all is quiet… the last time I skipped a macOS version was Lion

 

[Gregg2]

I upgraded to Monterey (from High Sierra) when I bought my new Mini several months ago. I don't have any real need to move to Ventura. Until Safari starts having issues, I'll probably stay where I am.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

yes, but on the other hand it is not a good idea to update too early as some apps you're relying on won't work perfectly anymore (or not at all), or **** like awful battery life emerges, so pick your poison.

and in my opinion, unless you are extremely careless, or one of the most wanted persons on the planet, you should be "safe", even on old operating systems, since of course even the most recent and secure systems will not be able to safe you from everything.
It's actually you who are the largest security risk on your system(s)

There's nothing critical. I have 3 Macs in use, one being a M1 and none have given me trouble. Yes, I have found little glitches here and there, but these are not affecting my work.
The new features are worth it enough for me to upgrade after checking the forums for feedback.
And Ventura has been running very well, it even seems my 2 MBP 2018s are running better than with the previous versions.

Apps that don't get enough updates may have issues, but let's not blame the OS, blame the Developers being lazy. They needs to refresh their releases with a newer SDK every once in a while, at least every 2 years.
An app that doesn't keep up by updating doesn't deserve to be run on my Macs, with the exception of one app that I need but still consider a ripoff:

QuickBooks 2016. Intuit stops refreshing their releases because they want to sell you a new version (± $350.00) that doesn't add anything of real value when compared to the previous version. So my solution was to run it on a High Sierra VM hosted by VMWare Fusion Player 12. I'm not letting any dumb app slow me down from moving forward.

Ventura features many improvements compared to the previous version, both under and over the hood. And that is more than enough for me.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

From what I can tell, none of my reported bugs have been fixed and a bunch of new ones have been introduced, so it's a "nope" from me.

Very much THIS.

I have Studio Ultra and would like to be as up to date as possible. However, I hear the same. My own #1 issue is the dreaded "unexpected ejection" of a key RAID HDD for my work. Same drive through same cable is perfectly stable on Intel Macs running macOS prior to Big Sur but will not stay connected to "latest & greatest" Mac running (latest) Monterey for more than a few hours. And before the defenders reply with redirects, yes, I've tried everything else to resolve this issue. As such, I'm near 100% convinced this is a macOS bug.

I haven't seen a thing that says USB is "universal" again in Ventura. In fact, I haven't seen anything that says anything was done to USB compatibility in Ventura.

Apparently this "unexpected ejection" bug began with Big Sur for many. While it doesn't seem to affect all enclosures (some work perfectly fine), for those it does impact, it would be so nice if Apple would get in there and fix this bug(s). I can't believe it lingers now into the third year. That U in USB should not be reinterpreted to mean "Unknown" (if it will "just work").

If I could see a few posts saying the Ventura addressed that ONE bug, I'd likely go ahead and make the jump. Else, I probably wait until .4 or .5 (summer+) at the earliest.

I'd really like Apple to have another Snow Leopard year or two, where the focus is on fixing bugs instead of adding new features. Obviously, I miss "just works" Apple.

 

[SalisburySam]

Downgraded from Ventura - sticking with Monterey for the foreseeable future.

Interesting. Could you share what caused you to go back?