There is no reason not to update. Monterey has been crap anyway, and Ventura is compatible with iOS 16 and iPadOS 16.
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Is anyone here staying with Montery and not upgrading to Ventura
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My M1 MacBook Pro is on Ventura. I do not like a lot of the GUI changes: especially in System Settings. Nothing is easy to find. My early 2015 MacBook Air is on Monterrey and I am glad it can't be updated further.
I've just updated to Monterey 12.6.2 from Bigsur on my Mac Pro 5,1 and I am happy to stick with Monterey for now. Apple keeps releasing new OS's very quickly lately just like IOS and it just seems that we are having to upgrade more frequently just to stay up to date with the current OS, when it is probably not necessary.
These posts are interesting as they show the widespread uses (and non-uses) of macOS; some want the "cutting edge" while others want the "safe" version. My use is fairly simple; the most taxing app for my use is Logic Pro. Ventura ROCKS for my use, but there is a plethora of users with needs far beyond my individual needs that need to lay low with OS updates until they are proven to be reliable, and that is FINE. Use the version of macOS that works for you.
I'm pretty much the same, I just upgraded my M1 MBP a couple weeks ago and its been good so far. I am not even experienced the dropped Wi-Fi issues I recently read about caused by AirDrop. It will be the same process for Ventura next year and I just upgraded my Early 2015 13 inch MBP to Big Sur at the same time as Monterrey.
I've seen no reason to move on from the Big Sur my MBA shipped with.
M1 MBP is just on Monterey, Intel Mac's two are on Big Sur, and last MBP is passing eleven years on High Sierra. I run BlockBlock, KnockKnock and the free Bitdefender AV scanner from Apple's Mac store. 12" rMB was stuck on Yosemite until last year due a required application. Never had a positive hit.
More chance of being hit by a bus LOL...
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Venture is very good and Metal 3 is a big step in the right direction. MacRumors is always full of whiners, if you have issue fix them, comparing to Monterey there is no particular issue with Ventura.
Because 1Password 7 is broken on Ventura, and I’m not ready to move to a subscription model and cloud storage for such a critical tool, I will be staying on Monterey for now. It’s a shame, because I would certainly pay an upgrade fee (or even the full purchase price again) if they offered a one-time purchase option and local vaults again like they used to.
Still on Mojave, but considering updating to Monterey. I never update to the latest OS, and as you can tell sometimes stay on a good OS for awhile. But I need to access to some newer versions of apps only usable on a new OS.
I hate being forced out of a good place.
I hate being forced out of a good place.
Staying on Monterey on multiple machines due to Apple dropping them in Ventura.
One year old 16" M1 MBP (2021)...staying on Monterey despite impatiently wanting Ventura's Shared iCloud Photo Library feature (been a long time coming!). Ventura's redesigned "System Settings" UI execution and confusion surrounding loss of certain preference controls as well as reported dissatisfaction leaves me concerned I'm going to regret upgrading at this time. I waited this long...I can wait a bit longer. Coming from years on El Capitan, Monterey felt like such an enormous upgrade for me last year...yet so classically Mac...it seems to get better everyday.
I have two 2014 Mac Minis, the M1 Air, and a hotrodded 2010 Mac Pro all running Monterey. No problems on any of them, and there was nothing in Ventura interesting enough to be worth doing something different on the Air.
The 2014's can't go any farther anyway, and the Pro's CPU is missing some instruction that is preventing it from running Ventura, so this is probably as far as they will go anyway.
The 2014's can't go any farther anyway, and the Pro's CPU is missing some instruction that is preventing it from running Ventura, so this is probably as far as they will go anyway.
I also depend on Logic Pro for my music production work, but I'm loathe to upgrade to Ventura until I'm certain that all the hardware and software/plugin developers have tested Ventura thoroughly and given their products the green light.
Upgrading the OS is fine for people who don't mind downtime, but as my work and musical interests would be affected by a faulty plugin or some issues with drivers on Ventura, I'm staying put on Monterey.
To be fair, the upgrade from Big Sur to Monterey was pretty uneventful, at least for the Roland, Yamaha and Steinberg products I use.
If you're at all serious about music development and production, and you depend on your setup to just work when you need it, it's best to have a test environment on a separate machine where you can iron out and check all the potential issues, before switching your main production setup to that. Common sense nowadays.
Good advice about "fixing the issues." There are some issues that can't just be fixed, though, like standard driver and kernel-based issues, changes to key UI functionality and so forth.
True, some people whine about changes, because they just feel inconvenienced about doing things in a new way.
I have read about the new features in Ventura and nothing is of any interest to me. But where did you find all the things that have improved under the hood? Bug fixes? Performance improvements? I still have Monterey on my M1 Mac Mini. Plan to update from 12.6.1 to 12.6.2 soon. What does Ventura give me under the hood that is much better? If there were some good things then I would update.
Until it breaks your applications that you rely on, which is documented here. Real problem is Apple is so locked into the IOS yearly cycle it has to keep pace and the macOS dev's can't keep up with the workload.
Smart move is to stay one iteration behind saves a lot of headaches as you generally get a stable OS you can rely on, not a beta...
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No, that's just not a smart move. You and others here in the thread ignore or don't know the facts.
Apple is acting like a toy company. In the Windows or Linux world, you can do it all like that because there are clear roadmaps for operating systems and legacy versions are also properly maintained. But that's not the case with Apple, as the link above makes clear. I had already posted something similar in the thread.
But it doesn't seem to do any good to point out these deficits, because the mass of users don't care, and they're still talking it up. Until then, at some point, perhaps the damage is there. Criticism would be so important, so that Apple behaves fairly towards the users, is less intransparent with regard to missing (security) updates and the user is not faced with the dilemma of not receiving all updates for the old OS in the situation you are explaining.
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"Processing maliciously crafted web content may lead to arbitrary code execution," the company wrote. "Apple is aware of a report that this issue may have been actively exploited against versions of iOS released before iOS 15.1."
Apple Fixes Actively Exploited iPhone Zero-Day Vulnerability
The vulnerability could allow remote code execution (RCE) on a victim's device
Exactly the same thing can happen with old macOS versions, because Apple doesn't really care about the old versions anymore. And Apple itself writes this, even if it is hidden in a document that hardly anyone reads.
Apple: "not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions (for example, macOS 12)."
About software updates for Apple devices
Before you begin to manage software updates and upgrades, understand how Apple handles the process.
support.apple.com
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Windows might generally be much better in these regards, but even there it's not a good idea to jump ship immediately just because a new version has been released.
i've never been affected by this myself, as i've always switched pretty late (still on Win 7 on my Windows machine 😂 )
but there have been numerous reports about bugs and incompatibilities both on early Win 10 and Win 11 builds too.
so it still stands even "over there": if you're truly relying on some applications to actually work, better make sure that the new OS can provide that first. either by reports by other users, or tested by yourself on a "secondary" / "unimportant" machine or partition.
if you're ok with some of your apps not working correctly for some time and don't mind somewhat glitchy OSes, you can of course jump ship as soon as available, or join the beta programs.
the good thing on Windows though, at least as far as i know: you're not getting any second rate treatment regarding OS security, just because you are one or two versions behind. and Windows versions don't come annually, but roughly every 5 years or so.
i've never been affected by this myself, as i've always switched pretty late (still on Win 7 on my Windows machine 😂 )
but there have been numerous reports about bugs and incompatibilities both on early Win 10 and Win 11 builds too.
so it still stands even "over there": if you're truly relying on some applications to actually work, better make sure that the new OS can provide that first. either by reports by other users, or tested by yourself on a "secondary" / "unimportant" machine or partition.
if you're ok with some of your apps not working correctly for some time and don't mind somewhat glitchy OSes, you can of course jump ship as soon as available, or join the beta programs.
the good thing on Windows though, at least as far as i know: you're not getting any second rate treatment regarding OS security, just because you are one or two versions behind. and Windows versions don't come annually, but roughly every 5 years or so.
There you also don't have to jump directly. In contrast to Apple, Microsoft still supports older versions properly and issues roadmaps. Take a look at the support for Windows 10, even though Windows 11 is available. The same applies to serious Linux distributions.
Apple should also properly maintain the old macOS versions. At least for a few more months. What Apple does is not a real support of old macOS versions. The dilemma I'm trying to explain is caused by Apple.
Life tends to prove different, never had positive on a Mac or a PC across multiple AV/Malware detection apps. A lot is down to how you use them and that's more the fact.
No, that's just not a smart move. You and others here in the thread ignore or don't know the facts.
Apple is acting like a toy company. In the Windows or Linux world, you can do it all like that because there are clear roadmaps for operating systems and legacy versions are also properly maintained. But that's not the case with Apple, as the link above makes clear. I had already posted something similar in the thread.
But it doesn't seem to do any good to point out these deficits, because the mass of users don't care, and they're still talking it up. Until then, at some point, perhaps the damage is there. Criticism would be so important, so that Apple behaves fairly towards the users, is less intransparent with regard to missing (security) updates and the user is not faced with the dilemma of not receiving all updates for the old OS in the situation you are explaining.
Edit:
"Processing maliciously crafted web content may lead to arbitrary code execution," the company wrote. "Apple is aware of a report that this issue may have been actively exploited against versions of iOS released before iOS 15.1."
Apple Fixes Actively Exploited iPhone Zero-Day Vulnerability
The vulnerability could allow remote code execution (RCE) on a victim's devicewww.infosecurity-magazine.com
Exactly the same thing can happen with old macOS versions, because Apple doesn't really care about the old versions anymore. And Apple itself writes this, even if it is hidden in a document that hardly anyone reads.
Apple: "not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions (for example, macOS 12)."
About software updates for Apple devices
Before you begin to manage software updates and upgrades, understand how Apple handles the process.support.apple.com
Have an older Mac on an older OS there are plenty of free tools to protect it. Stop spreading fear, security is a factor of layers and just like a house criminals will defer to the easiest point of entry and avoid the more secured.
While I don't prescribe to the no need for Malware protection on a Mac gang, I don't think you're at a great risk if you use common sense. Being one or two iterations behind has little impact unless your specifically targeted and then latest OS won't stop serious penetration.
TBH your just fear mongering...
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