I agree, I upgraded a MacBook Pro I have to Ventura just to check it out and was totally confused with what had been done to System Settings. WTF?
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Is anyone here staying with Montery and not upgrading to Ventura
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I agree, I upgraded a MacBook Pro I have to Ventura just to check it out and was totally confused with what had been done to System Settings. WTF?
macOS has the Path Bar and Status Bar off by default, which makes no damn sense. Finder becomes on par with File Explorer with these on.
That's awesome, thanks!
Really need to take the time to dive into the settings of each app using etc.
Totally in the same boat
Bought the 24" iMac on the back Friday event. Luckily shipped with Monterey, same as the M1 MBA I'm running.
Ok, so all the bugs the same across the two machines.
Best wishes
Martin
I am running both Monterey and Ventura on my Mac Pro 5,1 now. Just installed a Sapphire Pulse RX6700 using Syncretics Rom patch. I just have no graphics acceleration on Mac OS at the moment. Windows 11 is fine.
Lets see how this 13.1 update goes!
Lets see how this 13.1 update goes!
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Monterey was not the most stable macOS release during its year of being the latest and greatest macOS release from Apple. Lots of memory leaks, security holes, and extra headaches, especially for those that work in the IT field and have to manage fleets of Macs on the regular. I'm not saying that I at all enjoy "System Settings", but so far, that's my only real complaint in macOS Ventura 13.1. That all being said, I still have macOS Monterey on 2015 and 2016 Macs that can't go past that point (though, likely all but one of those will turn into exclusively Windows 10 machines before too long). Otherwise, only the Macs that can't go to Ventura yet are still on Monterey.
Usually what I do is install the newest OS on inconsequential machines. Some run it during the summer beta period, while others only run it from day one onwards. I see what breaks, what works, what doesn't work. Then, when I'm comfortable with how it runs, I back up my primary machines and clean restore them to the latest.
Usually what I do is install the newest OS on inconsequential machines. Some run it during the summer beta period, while others only run it from day one onwards. I see what breaks, what works, what doesn't work. Then, when I'm comfortable with how it runs, I back up my primary machines and clean restore them to the latest.
Hiya Y,
Many thanks for the fleet admin perspective! Really good insight.
Is Ventura getting to the point where its ok to load onto your fleet of Macs?
I'm waiting until at least the new year before considering it - We don't want any hassles over xmas break.
The M1 MBA and M1 iMac are running fine at the moment, used for fairly light main stream home use mostly.
I'm trying to be a bit more timely on my future upgrades. I.e. I stayed on Big Sur on the MBA until very late into Monterey's year.... perhaps too long, and I endured an annoying bluetooth crash issue for ages until I finally did the upgrade to Monterey.
Hope you can advise
Martin
unless you are having issues with your current setup, updating "one year behind" is actually a good solution, as you probably won't find more mature macOSes than their "finalized forms", since the new ones will come with their own new sets of problems.
Monterey wasn't exactly glitch free either when it came out, but it came installed on my systems and i'm reading too many issues with Ventura to even consider installing it yet.
Monterey wasn't exactly glitch free either when it came out, but it came installed on my systems and i'm reading too many issues with Ventura to even consider installing it yet.
I won't be upgrading beyond Monterey on my Mac Studio yet.
Mostly because I use external hardware that I doubt is fully compliant with MacOS13, along with AU plugins that I already know definitely are not compliant, according to the developers.
I've already updated my Macbook Air to 13.1. I have less of a concern about that, because I don't use it for the same purposes.
Mostly because I use external hardware that I doubt is fully compliant with MacOS13, along with AU plugins that I already know definitely are not compliant, according to the developers.
I've already updated my Macbook Air to 13.1. I have less of a concern about that, because I don't use it for the same purposes.
I'm curious, which plugins are you waiting for?
I may expand my studio's roster of plugins and hoping to avoid getting snagged in the compatibility waiting game.
Arturia V Collection, which has not yet been patched to work on Ventura. Arturia do make that clear on their website, but seemingly not clear enough. As a volunteer mod on the Arturia forum, I end up responding to about one post a week from Mac users saying, "I just updated to MacOS13 and nothing works properly / my DAW crashes when validating Arturia plugins". And my response is always "Go back to MacOS12 using the Time Machine backup which Apple tells you to make before upgrading your OS". And that's usually met with silence.
Thanks for the reply, good to know.
I have V Collection on my Mac Studio under Ventura and haven't experienced issues but also haven't done any sessions with it other than basic tests that instruments will load and play correctly.
Another data point: V Collection 9, FX Collection 3, Pigments 4 all installed and validated correctly.
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I upgraded to both Monterey and Ventura when the first version was published. Monterey: painful to deal with for month, Ventura: not one issue.
I was talking to an Apple MacOS phone Support clerk in Austin, TX about an issue the other day, and as part of the report to escalate the issue up the food chain, he was to ensure I was on the most recent OS. Told him I couldn't go there because we were dealing with a 2017 Air. As sold throughout 2018 and into 2019. So really, a product Apple was selling up to 3 years ago. Pointed out a 2017 Pro was capable of Ventura.
"Oh, what?", he exclaimed, as he double-checked this. "That's just crazy. There's not even a reduced function version available? Like we've done before?"
"Yup", I replied. "I know. I'm already on a reduced function of Monterey. Welcome to my world".
"Well, I'm just gonna flag that as stupid when I send this upstairs."
All I thought was 'Good luck with that' - especially as mere minion at Apple - but I thanked him for the effort.
"Oh, what?", he exclaimed, as he double-checked this. "That's just crazy. There's not even a reduced function version available? Like we've done before?"
"Yup", I replied. "I know. I'm already on a reduced function of Monterey. Welcome to my world".
"Well, I'm just gonna flag that as stupid when I send this upstairs."
All I thought was 'Good luck with that' - especially as mere minion at Apple - but I thanked him for the effort.
I’ve noticed many bugs that I have not seen in Monterey. I’m using 13.1 on an M1 Pro. So far I’m not impressed. There are no new features that I can’t live without. I tried it out for a couple of weeks, and now I’m going back Monterey.
. Slight lag with launchpad and an overall delay in responsiveness.
. Files on an external drive take a while to load. Very inconvenient when I need to access something quickly.
. Startup animations no longer show up on Studio Display. Black screen when Mac starts up. I have to press the keyboard before picture shows up.
. Keyboard function keys will not work at times. I will either have to turn off the keyboard, or restart the computer.
. Weather App sometimes can’t access location.
. Stage Manager is just as laggy as on iPad OS.
. Screenshots take more time to save to desktop.
Not bugs, but more inconveniences:
. System Settings (obviously).
. Share menu must now use a separate menu to access menu. (Something else that takes unnecessary time)
. Print dialog box is too large.
. Slight lag with launchpad and an overall delay in responsiveness.
. Files on an external drive take a while to load. Very inconvenient when I need to access something quickly.
. Startup animations no longer show up on Studio Display. Black screen when Mac starts up. I have to press the keyboard before picture shows up.
. Keyboard function keys will not work at times. I will either have to turn off the keyboard, or restart the computer.
. Weather App sometimes can’t access location.
. Stage Manager is just as laggy as on iPad OS.
. Screenshots take more time to save to desktop.
Not bugs, but more inconveniences:
. System Settings (obviously).
. Share menu must now use a separate menu to access menu. (Something else that takes unnecessary time)
. Print dialog box is too large.
Many thanks for sharing Roy!
I am really hoping that if Apple was serious in pushing Macs as a serious mainstream operating system, for the masses, including all types of workers - Apple seriously works on tidying up the operating system.
Instead of adding new fancy features in each year, that a tiny percentage of people are bothered to try and use, Apple concentrates on making the operating system more bug free and slick.
Most people do not want gimmicky stuff, that constantly messes up their workflows.
That’s my grumpy message post-Christmas!
Best wishes
Martin
Unfortunately, there is a portion of the Macoyltes who - beyond defending to the death issues people have with obvious Mac flaws by blaming the user - expect / demand something new and shiny ("Squirrel!") from their OSs each year, regardless of how useful the 'features' may be. To spend a year (or two) on a top to bottom purge and tidy up of the OS and built-in apps - issuing as many point patches (sorry...'updates') as needed to it - would drive the Macolytes crazy, and Apple would see it as counter-profitable. More exciting (profitable) to buy into a new OS with new toys inside it (ideally in a new Mac that is built for it) than to offer an even better / stable OS that people know and love, and that still runs on their current machine.
They have done that in the past. There was a release that had fewer limited new features as they were focused on cleaning up the code. Can't remember which version that was.
They exist in a "grow or die" environment. If they focused just on the code and not features Samsung and other manufactures would jump on them tooting all of their new features. This would not be good for sales and the revenues to support code development.
There’s a lot of seriousness going on here, seriously!
I remember that. Didn't really do all that much cleanup, and the fanfolk whined at the lack of 'Squirrel!' moments, chasing Apple back to release dates that cater less to functionality than to consumer expectations. And the OS and its embedded apps still in need of work.
'Think Different' and 'The Computer For The Rest Of Us' replaced with, 'There's A Sucker Born Every Minute''?
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I saw this pretty good video. He thinks Snow Leopard is overrated for one particular reason and that OS X 10.9 Mavericks was the best because it fixed lots of bugs and greatly improved performance.
Was Snow Leopard 10.6 greatest macOS release ever? An OS X essay
OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard long has been held as the gold standard for OS X/macOS releases. It's not uncommon to hear people to this day laud Snow Leopard as the best version of any Apple OS. There's been a few attempts to contextualize why Snow Leopard was so loved with solid points but they fall a bit short.
There are no new features or changes in 13.1 that interest me. But if it fixed lots of bugs and provided much better performance I would upgrade from 12.6.2.
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My understand is that it was pretty much invisible as they ripped out and replaced older inefficient or redundant code, so without seeing the numbers no way to tell how much they did.
OSX & IOS users are very different animals. Apple should focus more on resolving issues with the desktop OS versus introducing more tricks & bells.
No doubt we're all excited for a new revision of macOS, equally I for one am done with being beta tester...
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No doubt we're all excited for a new revision of macOS, equally I for one am done with being beta tester...
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