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Is Apple concerned/aware about all the negative comments about the new MP?
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Except this is an inflection point for the Mac Pro. So it isn't really a general/normative situation. There are several complaints about folks never seen before posting. Those who thrive on stirring the pot there isn't a better place to be than in the Mac Pro forums right now. Folks voting against the new form factor only serves to further that.
The other factor is folks who switch old Windows/Unix boxes with slots to Mac Pro/Power Mac over the 2006-2009 are just far more inclined to be attached to the legacy mainstream form factor and attributes ( wouldn't touch PPC because x86 was 'winner' ) without basic needs drivers. Highly risk adverse and change resistors folks often are characterized as sourpusses.
There is nothing in this forum that is outside the norm for internet forums. If the Mac Pro was out of the news, mid cycle and on a predictable upgrade sequence then your "generally" would be far more on target. But the FUD spinners and disinformation campaigns in many of the sub-forum's active threads now are just as dense as the front page stories at the moment.
I doubt this will change much until Apple actually ships the new Mac Pro and more information comes out. While there are still a fair number of unknowns that FUD and spin has way too much traction for the purveyors to give up on.
No. The simple fact of voting against the nMP does not support anything like what you claim. Sorry, your argument is circular.
But that works both ways. This means more casual followers of the Mac Pro are attracted to these boards and are not then these "sourpusses", but rather people interested in something new. To me, it seems logical those people would be more likely to vote for the new design rather than against it.
That's why I think its quite impossible to even know the direction of the bias relative to the possible mac pro customer base. While there are a number of people that resist change, which you would like to call "sourpusses" floating around just to complain, there may be equally as many if not more people being drawn in from the front page and mac mini/macbook pages, just reading about something new, that they will likely never be in the market for anyway. Thus, those people throw off the voting much more so than the "sourpusses", since the "sourpusses" might actually buy a Mac Pro and the floaters wouldn't.
Neither your view point or mine on this matter has any facts to back its side up either. So it all comes down to how you weigh the logic from each side and your own person biases in which you want to believe. And those making claims of "sourpusses" and "wanna-be elitists" give of the impression of not following logic and reason, but rather emotion. So, please forgive me for not surcoming to the arguments which result to generalizations and name calling....
Of course.
That is not what I was saying at all. There may be a relatively small inflow of causal Mac Pro folks but there is at least as many non Mac Pro folks coming in as well. Just because it where the action is. The Windows zealots can easily score brownie points here because large box with slots is a sub-segment that Windows/Linux isn't moving out of. [ They certainly would be less successful in harping on the Ultrabook like class leading MBA. Rationally they will go, if out looking for trouble, to where have more traction. ] They have relatively interest in a Mac Pro at all. If they could vote down both ( which isn't in these polls) they would if being honest and given an option ( classic , new form , was going to buy (or already on ) a windows box regardless anyway). In fact you can see that present at the core of several of these complaint threads. Go back far enough and similar folks were complaining about how the 2009/2010/2012 Mac Pro were not more like the HP 800 /Dell 7000 /etc offerings. Instead of outside of Mac Pro line much of the same content thrown again different Mac models now that the difference is larger.
I think you fail to account for much of the pissing matches that occur on front page stories. They are far more entrenched in holy wars of Apple faithful vs. other dogma ( Windows fanboys ) . Those both sides of the dogma are likely to pile into the old design. Non apple because it is closer to generic PC. A fraction of the Apple dogma crowd because raised on 90's era Macs and or need box-with-slot to play feature war with the Windows folks. It isn't use of the Mac Pro but furthering their agenda that will draw the vote.
I don't like to call those resistant to change sourpusses but that is how they commonly present. It is rare that people who are highly resistance to change also are not highly resistant to complaining. All the folks complaining are not change resistant ( some are mad because the dual CPU package variant has been terminated).
As for elitism, LOL. That is one of the common arguments for the Mac Pro. Apple can't cancel the Mac Pro because they "have to" keep making it because it counts more than the other Macs and Mac users do. If you have another more descriptive adjective than that other than elitist it probably won't be a commonly used term.
Not really. There is quantitative data that was best ( minimized bias) sampled before the announcement. In context of the "sneak peak", the level of noise is basically going to drown out much of the precision could achieve without the distractions.
The methodology and tactics to blow smoke here on these forums and especially the front page articles do follow basic patterns that appears in most internet discussion groups. My FUD is bigger than your FUD is a classic pattern. If haven't baselined the normal level of BS before the announcement both in front page and here it isn't going to be as apparent as if just show up in the middle and try to measure.
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Isn't sour puss such a weird term? Puss used to refer to a face/mouth, like "socked in the puss." But now puss means what all the new Mac Pro owners are going to get as they cruise the boulevard with the cylinder strapped to the back of their bullet bike.
They'll be mistaken for janitors taking out the trash.
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I spent today on the Fox lot, working on design work for a new channel they are coming out with. I used my drive on and parked in Building 103 garage and ate at Moe's.
I climbed my way up from PA to a department head. I have been an Art Director in the LA411 for 15 years.
One day I went to edit my reel and FCP popped up a dialog saying my Video Card wasn't good enough. Led to an interesting sideline but I'll bet my MPIHP Pension that I have earned the right to be called a "Pro".
Would you like to embarrass yourself further or is that enough?
Yawn...the "glass half empty" crowd always complains the loudest. The rest of us are too happy being productive and looking forward to the new stuff. I for one think the new MP will be a home run for Apple (perhaps not bases loaded though...
). I run a music studio and am an engineer...so I guess I am not a "Pro" user as per the lofty and elite definition bandied about on this forum.
). I run a music studio and am an engineer...so I guess I am not a "Pro" user as per the lofty and elite definition bandied about on this forum.