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maflynn

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They may make a small comeback with QNX in cars. That is what many of the auto manufacturers are using to run CarPlay and Android Auto.

Perhaps, but don't you think car manufacturers will be more interested in dealing with a company that is not on the verge of collapse? To put it another way, they (car makers) may opt for Samsung, Motorola or Apple, because its a better business arrangement.
 

apolloa

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Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
Perhaps, but don't you think car manufacturers will be more interested in dealing with a company that is not on the verge of collapse? To put it another way, they (car makers) may opt for Samsung, Motorola or Apple, because its a better business arrangement.

But they are not on the verge of collapse. They may be in trouble but so is Sony and no one is claiming they are about to collapse. You are making a very early prediction claiming that I think.

And considering Ford has announced QNX will be the software it's Sync 3 runs on and that is a worldwide platform in new Ford cars, then that's a few car sales to keep them up, and QNX is the bases for the Android and Apple car interface systems too, as claimed in news stories on this website.
 

cube

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+1. BB10 has to be the best phone OS I've used. And I've used them all. :p
BlackBerry deserve to survive with the great products they're pumping out nowadays. Most people here don't have much of a clue what they're on about when it comes to BlackBerry products, mostly basing their opinions on adhoc experiences with the old generation BlackBerry phones, which were kinda lacking by the time the iPhone became popular. Saying that, I'm not sure about that BlackBerry Passport thing.

The Passport was started way before Chen. Depending on how it sells, it will be the equivalent of the iMac or the Cube.
 

nfl46

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BlackBerry CEO confirmed today that they will continue to make hardware.
 

Hastings101

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I think MRU is right, they'll probably become a software-only company or eventually get picked up by Microsoft or an Android vendor that can name drop security features for businesses/governments.
 

FFR

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I think blackberry is pretty much done, especially with today's announcement that they are bringing the hub and Blackberrys virtual keyboard to iOS and android.
 

diamond.g

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Perhaps, but don't you think car manufacturers will be more interested in dealing with a company that is not on the verge of collapse? To put it another way, they (car makers) may opt for Samsung, Motorola or Apple, because its a better business arrangement.

For a real time OS of the three mentioned only MS provides one (Windows CE). As far as I know OS X isn't considered a real time OS (according to Wikipedia). So in this case QNX is preferred because it can run Android Auto and CarPlay with no biases. I don't think Tizen (Samsung OS) is considered to be real time OS either.

Of course this is assuming having a real time OS for telematics/infotainment is required.
 

maflynn

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I'm not knocking QNX, I think its an excellent OS, but do you want to set up a business arrangement with a company on services that may not be there next year? There's a great cloud of unknown swirling around BlackBerry, and that may be a too disconcerting for businesses to commit to them.
 

vladi

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I'm not knocking QNX, I think its an excellent OS, but do you want to set up a business arrangement with a company on services that may not be there next year? There's a great cloud of unknown swirling around BlackBerry, and that may be a too disconcerting for businesses to commit to them.

Why would they not be here next year? Im pretty much sure they can always scale down to profitable services but even today they still manage to fund hardware business which is probably nothing but a loss to them.
 

cube

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I remember the days when i was at school all my friends had Blackberry phones(with keyboards).

But that was about 5 years ago that was when Blackberry was the main smartphone maker!


I have never had a BlackBerry smartphone and i never will because there are way better options like Samsung.

I thought Nokia was always #1 until they committed suicide. They invented the smartphone a very long time ago after all.
 

nfl46

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FFR

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Is Blackberry done for at this point?

BlackBerry just announced a new phone: http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/03/blackberry-leap/



They also have a new curved-screen slider phone coming out later this year:



http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/03/blackberry-curved-slider/


That was announced last year in Indonesia.

I guess blackberry cancelled the passport 2 and classic 2, with only 5 million blackberry phones shipped last year, who can blame them.

That figure includes the 9900, pathetic on Blackberrys end.
 

MasterRyu2011

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i can't really say if they're done. All I know is swype texting on a touch screen is much convenient for me than a physical keyboard.
 

cube

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That was announced last year in Indonesia.

I guess blackberry cancelled the passport 2 and classic 2, with only 5 million blackberry phones shipped last year, who can blame them.

That figure includes the 9900, pathetic on Blackberrys end.

The Leap is not the Z3. The Leap is Rio.

Z3 is qHD, 1.5GiB RAM, Foxconn styling. Leap is 720p, 2GiB RAM, more BlackBerry styling. The rest, I don't know. I stopped reading at 16GB and 720p. Although I looked for some mention of removable battery.
 

vladi

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That was announced last year in Indonesia.

I guess blackberry cancelled the passport 2 and classic 2, with only 5 million blackberry phones shipped last year, who can blame them.

That figure includes the 9900, pathetic on Blackberrys end.

BlackBerry didn't cancel Passport 2 or Classic 2, they were not even supposed to show up this year as they just got released. Next year maybe while Porsche is probably doing the Passport version this year.

This year it should be a slider as their flagship.
 

ryankul

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Currently using a Blackberry Q10 as my main phone and have a Z30 on the way. Blackberry has a some loyal customers including myself. They can always downscale hardware sales and mainly do software. Last time I checked Chen was doing a great job of turning things around to get the company back on track. Blackberry 10 OS is pretty amazing imo. Microsoft isn't knocking home runs out of the park with Windows Phone but they're not going anywhere either.

Ps I'd take a Blackberry over a WP any day.. current web browsing on Windows Phone 8.1 is a joke..
 
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Esoom

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I hope they're not going to exit the hardware market, people love an underdog, and they have a great backstory.
 

RossMak

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My work still love the Blackberry, I have a 9720 for work and I am not a fan but it is an old very basic phone.
 

MasterRyu2011

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Blackberries are still the default work mobile phones for the company I work for (40,000+ employees). In the consumer technology market, they are probably done. However, in the business world, I can still see the flames lit.
 

Savor

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BlackBerry's biggest mistake was they were not willing to change and adapt to a newer era. They didn't know how. Same with Atari for video games or mobile pioneers like Motorola and Nokia.

Physical QWERTY went out of fashion once displays got bigger and bigger and with better 3rd party keyboards like SwiftKey and Swype.

BlackBerry only catered to the business sector which was a bigger demographic in the previous generation of the smartphone era. But once most consumers finally moved away from feature phones like the RAZR to the consumer-friendly iOS and Android ecosystem, the business sector shrank. Now most of the business sector or famous celebrities went from owning a BlackBerry to owning iPhones.

Not enough services and apps to keep an ecosystem intact and continue to exist.

BlackBerry stuck with their old ways and got left in the dust. BB10 was just way too late.

Motorola is doing ok right now. At least with the Moto G and E's. Nokia is the one company I am confused about. I thought back in 2011 that WP would be 2nd place after three years. I was completely wrong with that prediction and I now know why. Nokia confuses me. Owned by Microsoft with their label over Lumia phones but Nokia still makes Android phones and tablet? Supposedly Nokia will make a smartphone comeback next year? I really don't know what Nokia wants to do after they continued to use resistive screens two years after iPhone 2G. But Nokia is the one I want to see make a comeback. BlackBerry? I don't really care. They didn't really bring anything innovative to the industry except email push support and BBM that Apple copied with iMessages. Like a more popular Palm that got alot of hype it didn't deserve when smartphone competition wasn't as strong or refined like it is now. Typing on QWERTY is a joke now and much slower. Windows Mobile, Symbian, and Palm OS all dead platforms. BlackBerry is next.
 

0dev

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It's a shame because their hardware and OS are actually very good but they did take way too long to actually get with the times. I used to have some hope but there's no point anymore.
 
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