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Is “jailbreaking” our way to higher SDR brightness on the new miniLED Macs possible?
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Seems logical but than why has the iPad pro 600nits with the same technologie?
I would love to have the control over the nits. 1000 nits is nothing that you use often, maybe only outside, so i think the degradation is minimal.
I would love to have the control over the nits. 1000 nits is nothing that you use often, maybe only outside, so i think the degradation is minimal.
Giving Apple the benefit of the doubt, I suspect it’s because of blooming. This would explain why the iPad Pro goes to 600 nits for SDR.
Both the 16” MBP and iPad have 10,000 LEDs, but the mac spreads them out over a larger area. I suspect the blooming would be more noticeable on the 16” at 600 nits than it is on the iPad.
Apple’s website doesn’t seem to specify how many LEDs the 14” has, only the 16”. I think it has less.
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I thought the reviews used a YouTube Test that is HDR so likely 1000-1600 nits and its still better than the iPad because of a better diffusor.
So if they dont believe that the iPad has a worse lifespan than a MacBook i see no reason.
I thought the reason 1,000 nits peak brightness is only available with HDR is this:
On average, HDR content has about 3x the dynamic range of SDR (after all, that's what HDR means: High Dynamic Range). Let's assume the screen has the power supply and thermals to generate a certain average brightness. For that maximum average brightness, you'll get much higher peak brightness with HDR than SDR. If Apple allowed that same 1,000 nits max brightness with SDR, the average brightness would be too high for the screen's thermals and/or power supply.
Essentially, this is a 500 nit screen that can deliver short 1,000 nit peaks, but can't do 1,000 nits for longer periods of time.
On average, HDR content has about 3x the dynamic range of SDR (after all, that's what HDR means: High Dynamic Range). Let's assume the screen has the power supply and thermals to generate a certain average brightness. For that maximum average brightness, you'll get much higher peak brightness with HDR than SDR. If Apple allowed that same 1,000 nits max brightness with SDR, the average brightness would be too high for the screen's thermals and/or power supply.
Essentially, this is a 500 nit screen that can deliver short 1,000 nit peaks, but can't do 1,000 nits for longer periods of time.
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They say 1000 sustained and 1600 peak. I dont think sustained means that you should blast it 24/7 but would be great for certain scenarios.
Is it though? 1000 nits sustained on the full screen is possible per Apple, 1600 nits for partial areas. Pausing an HDR video that's displaying 1000 nits white across the display works fine, and doesn't damage the display as its what it's advertised to do.
Heck, even 600-800 nits would be a godsend for working outdoors. Doesn't need to max out, but a couple notches of additions daylight usage brightness would be great.
So somebody who buys this machine for editing HDR content all day will damage their machine?
Take a look at this: https://kidi.ng/wanna-see-a-whiter-white/
edit: macrumors seems to have some sort of link protection that 404s this link but it works if you copy and paste.
Considering tricks like this are possible, I can't imagine we're too far off from this being somewhat of a reality. Funny thing is if you inspect element and edit the HDR text you can replace it with an emoji, but the emoji appears extremely overexposed. I would imagine there's some work to be done on displaying SDR with the correct tone mapping at over 500 nits.
Hopefully something can be figured out, would be a great option to have for outdoor use, even though it would be useless/horrible for indoor SDR usage.
I can't see any reason why it would be blocked completely - these aren't nailed down iOS devices, after all...
I can't see any reason why it would be blocked completely - these aren't nailed down iOS devices, after all...
Works in Safari for me, but not Chrome
As mentioned by bill in this thread, I think one solution would be to 'stream' the entire display output in realtime to an ultra-low latency HDR-capable 'environment' wherein everything you do on your MBP is seamlessly captured, converted, and overlayed on top of the computer's native interface; so you are interacting with the computer in SDR 'below' the HDR-enabled overlay that sits on top of everything that you're doing.
HDR in this case would only be/is only being utilized to access the 'HDR-reserved' mostly-untapped brightness capacity, scaled for SDR in a linear fashion and having no actual dynamic range implications.
HDR in this case would only be/is only being utilized to access the 'HDR-reserved' mostly-untapped brightness capacity, scaled for SDR in a linear fashion and having no actual dynamic range implications.
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As someone who upgraded from a 2016 model the screen on my 16" MBP is a lot brighter than my previous model to the point that it hurts my eyes and I have to lower the brightness a lot more than the 2016 model. I'm not sure how much you brightness you need, or that will be useful.
The brightness is still only 500 nits - the same as the 2016 models. Look at the technical specifications: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP749?locale=en_US
I would prefer a brighter screen to battery life.
It’s still quoted at 500, but it’s a bit brighter anyway, and people have demonstrated this in videos (I think like 40 nits brighter). I would still like to find a way to “unlock” higher SDR brightness if possible, though.
My 14" peak brightness seems identical to my 2019 16" for normal use, both in dark and bright (outdoor) use. I often use these machines side-by-side as the 16" is work issued and the 14" is used for personal (software dev) projects.
Just clocked this on an HDTV youtube video, on the ProDisplay XDR, looks like you can crank the brightness all the way past 1500 nits on a 10% window - although it doesn't show how this was done (regular desktop, or with test HDR video)
I think with the next iteration of the Display there will be marked improvements that will certainly increase the competitiveness of the display vs. higher-priced, 'professional-grade' products. Although, I'm not sure the device will be utilized predominantly by consumers for this purpose but more so chiefly, as the gentleman in the video said, for content consumption and not content creation.
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These days, most of the configuration settings are stored in the read-only volume and as a normal user, you can't really edit those files...
Apple has really locked down macOS in recent versions and made it more and more difficult, if not impossible, for enthusiasts such as ourselves to dig through the OS and make unauthorized changes....
The OS is as open as even, Apple gives you well-documented tools to remove all and any protection layer. Even give you custom kernel support (which they never did before). At the same time macOS is not designed to be tinker-friendly on the low level. It’s not Linux. And there is nothing wrong with it. Apples opinionated defaults are rather sensible.