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Lucky you.. using Mac since 2006.
From Yosemite onwards it’s just a free fall. Bugs over bugs, half baked features, wifi disconnecting randomly, Mojave logged in without even typing a password when prompted, Catalina a disaster, couldn’t sync my iPhone reliably for 6 months through finder, I don’t know what you use the Mac for but it came to be unpleasant to me.
The photo app is a disaster, iCloud not syncing properly, continuity stops working as soon as you log in with a second user account and you must reboot to get it back up and running, sending a voice message with iPhone messages is stopping as soon as che display go on standby, so you can send a message just as long as your screen standby setting basically.

I don’t know what you use the Mac for but those bugs are just an everyday thing.
Not to talk about HomeKit, I don’t even start with that because I would go on for one hour
I had minor bugs in macOS but nothing groundbreaking. Continuity works 99% of the time for me.

I use my Mac everyday and its been great so far. I NEVER had wifi disconnects on any macOS. My Mac for the past 2 macOS versions has be en working reliably.

I am sure there are people before Yosemite that had major bugs and I am sure there are people after Yosemite had minor bugs.

Just because its broken for you does not mean its broken for everyone.
 
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mxrider88

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"maybe the truth?" you mean, macbook pro users don't do pro work, coding, film editing, music making, graphics, etc etc? and, if everyone is not in fact experiencing the same issues...maybe it's something specific to your setup? or (gasp) user error?

this whole 'i am experiencing this, so everyone else must be' thing is tiresome. perhaps starting a thread when you encounter an issue, and asking for help from what, at it's core, is a pretty-great forum with some very smart people, would serve you better.
Yeah right, user error, I clicked sync wrong 😉
 

hoodafoo

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I am beginning to consider that skipping Big Sure in favor of Monterey would be prudent.

MacOS Catalina 10.15.7 has been 100% stable on 2020 MacBook Pro 2.3 GHz Intel system.
Same boat. I was arbitrarily waiting for 11.4 or 11.5 to update and now 12 is in public beta. I might just skip 11 altogether for my daily driver
 

hoodafoo

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For me, Catalina was a mess and updates really didn't do much to help.

Complaints on the forum about Big Sur have mainly been preferential, barring the topic of bootable clones, as well as the initial release woes.
What issues did you have with Catalina? I didn't update to Catalina until 10.15.7 so maybe i avoided all the woes. I think Catalina is great!
 

Apple_Robert

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What issues did you have with Catalina? I didn't update to Catalina until 10.15.7 so maybe i avoided all the woes. I think Catalina is great!
It seems like a lifetime ago since I had Catalina. I had constant beach balls, several stock apps not working as they should, and Finder didn't seem to work right half the time. My experience with it even after trying clean installs several times was as if I was dealing with an early beta release.
 

dmccloud

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Yes maybe, but if I start with a fresh install, I am assuming the bug is in the code, not caused by a corrupt old preference file or so.
so everyone should experience the same issue, when running the same OS on the same machine.
Maybe the truth is that the majority of users are buying MacBook Pro to surf the web and not doing anything else.

But I wouldn’t think I’m a power user just because I expect my $1600 iPhone to sync with my $2000 Mac…

Not everyone will have the same experience as you, and most people also aren't "buying MacBook Pro to surf the web and not doing anything else." You seem to think that these very limited number of examples (which wouldn't even create the smallest blip on Apple's bug tracking radar) somehow are reflective of the Mac and Mac OS as a whole. I've had my M1 Mac since December, and it's been the most solid, dependable Mac I've owned. The battery life is next-level, and the machine handles everything I've thrown at it, including web development, programming, Final Cut Pro, Logic, and even some gaming. You also said earlier in this thread that you submitted a lot of bugs over the years, but I'm wondering how many of those were legitimate bugs and how many fell more under the "I just don't like this" banner...
 

mxrider88

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Not everyone will have the same experience as you, and most people also aren't "buying MacBook Pro to surf the web and not doing anything else." You seem to think that these very limited number of examples (which wouldn't even create the smallest blip on Apple's bug tracking radar) somehow are reflective of the Mac and Mac OS as a whole. I've had my M1 Mac since December, and it's been the most solid, dependable Mac I've owned. The battery life is next-level, and the machine handles everything I've thrown at it, including web development, programming, Final Cut Pro, Logic, and even some gaming. You also said earlier in this thread that you submitted a lot of bugs over the years, but I'm wondering how many of those were legitimate bugs and how many fell more under the "I just don't like this" banner...
I certainly can distinguish a bug from a disliked behaviour.
I just found one by the way: go on safari, share a page via sms, type a name to share with and try to select. The mouse cursor and the selection are out of sync.

Big deal? No.
Does it show where the OS is heading? Yes.


Yesterday I went to reboot because I couldn’t force quit activity monitor and it wouldn’t reboot. M1 air with 11.4.
I had to hold down the power button.
This has never, never happened to be before and I am a Mac user since 2006.
 

fisherking

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I certainly can distinguish a bug from a disliked behaviour.
I just found one by the way: go on safari, share a page via sms, type a name to share with and try to select. The mouse cursor and the selection are out of sync.

Big deal? No.
Does it show where the OS is heading? Yes.


Yesterday I went to reboot because I couldn’t force quit activity monitor and it wouldn’t reboot. M1 air with 11.4.
I had to hold down the power button.
This has never, never happened to be before and I am a Mac user since 2006.
am confused. are you running big sur? this is the monterey forum, the big sur forum is where you'd want to be...
 

anch-innk

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Lucky you.. using Mac since 2006.
From Yosemite onwards it’s just a free fall. Bugs over bugs, half baked features, wifi disconnecting randomly, Mojave logged in without even typing a password when prompted, Catalina a disaster, couldn’t sync my iPhone reliably for 6 months through finder, I don’t know what you use the Mac for but it came to be unpleasant to me.
The photo app is a disaster, iCloud not syncing properly, continuity stops working as soon as you log in with a second user account and you must reboot to get it back up and running, sending a voice message with iPhone messages is stopping as soon as che display go on standby, so you can send a message just as long as your screen standby setting basically.

I don’t know what you use the Mac for but those bugs are just an everyday thing.
Not to talk about HomeKit, I don’t even start with that because I would go on for one hour
My wife and I switched to iMacs about 8 years ago - simply because the hardware is so reliable, compared with ALL the Windows PCs I've ever owned (since 1992). MacOS has shown itself to be just as buggy as Windows - but differently buggy. One permanent issue in the last years has been that MacOS cannot find the Synology NAS when I boot our two iMacs in the morning, even though the NAS boots up before the Macs, the NAS was set up by an Apple professional retailer so it has all the right settings, the NAS is entered in the login items etc. etc. Every morning we have to take the backdoor route through Finder, Connect.... After that it often loses the contact again during the day. Neither of the iMacs has a screensaver or sleep time set, which I have often suspected trips that kind of behaviour (or was that Windows???). The NAS is awake all day and at around 9 pm closes down automatically. By then we've shut down the Macs. If we don't shut down the Macs but leave them on, it's even worse. Our MacBook Pro often loses the wifi link even though it stays in the same place in the house all day and needs reminding. These behaviours have existed for years, on a whole range of iMacs and through all the OS updates. I always do a completely new installation with formatting and all. We have learned to cope with these issues and assume they will never go away, which is why we are always annoyed when others claim MacOS is the be all and end all and nothing could be better. Windows, by the way does not have the problem finding the NAS....Drive Letters!
 

5425642

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My wife and I switched to iMacs about 8 years ago - simply because the hardware is so reliable, compared with ALL the Windows PCs I've ever owned (since 1992). MacOS has shown itself to be just as buggy as Windows - but differently buggy. One permanent issue in the last years has been that MacOS cannot find the Synology NAS when I boot our two iMacs in the morning, even though the NAS boots up before the Macs, the NAS was set up by an Apple professional retailer so it has all the right settings, the NAS is entered in the login items etc. etc. Every morning we have to take the backdoor route through Finder, Connect.... After that it often loses the contact again during the day. Neither of the iMacs has a screensaver or sleep time set, which I have often suspected trips that kind of behaviour (or was that Windows???). The NAS is awake all day and at around 9 pm closes down automatically. By then we've shut down the Macs. If we don't shut down the Macs but leave them on, it's even worse. Our MacBook Pro often loses the wifi link even though it stays in the same place in the house all day and needs reminding. These behaviours have existed for years, on a whole range of iMacs and through all the OS updates. I always do a completely new installation with formatting and all. We have learned to cope with these issues and assume they will never go away, which is why we are always annoyed when others claim MacOS is the be all and end all and nothing could be better. Windows, by the way does not have the problem finding the NAS....Drive Letters!
So write a script for it then?
This is by design sadly.
 

jdb8167

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I’m seeing much more instability in the last couple of Monterey betas on an M1 MacBook Air. That sort of thing is expected in a beta program though.

Overall it seems like Monterey is going to be a refinement of Big Sur. It mostly keeps the Big Sur UI changes with a bit of a weird digression with Safari that seems to be largely resolved now.

Outside of my recent crash issues, I’ve been pretty happy with Monterey.
 
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jdb8167

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Yesterday I went to reboot because I couldn’t force quit activity monitor and it wouldn’t reboot. M1 air with 11.4.
I had to hold down the power button.
This has never, never happened to be before and I am a Mac user since 2006.
I’ve had serious issues with shutting down my M1 MBA since the first day. When I look at the SMART drive stats there is a line for unsafe shutdowns and I’m at over 60 in 9 months. That is a real issue for productivity since after a forced shutdown you really should do a complete disk utility disk repair check. These take up to an hour depending on how many snapshots are stored.

For the first few Monterey betas that I used, it was significantly better but the last 2 betas, the bad shutdown behavior has returned. I have been able to ssh into the MBA and issue a command line restart which is still better than the forced restarts needed in Big Sur.
 

anch in nk

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So write a script for it then?
This is by design sadly.
Hi 5425642!
When I started using computers it was with MSDOS 4 point something. In those days, I had to learn how to write batch routines to speed up my work. After that I programmed some databases for myself using Borland Paradox (still MSDOS). But to be honest, since using Windows (from Win 3.0 on) and now Mac, I have neglected that particular skill because 98% of what I need can be done with a click or two and making a living keeps me very busy anyway. I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to write a script or the time to learn. So I'll just keep clicking...
However, I appreciate the response and for many keen MacOS users that is probably a very logical approach.
 

SalisburySam

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Hi 5425642!
When I started using computers it was with MSDOS 4 point something. In those days, I had to learn how to write batch routines to speed up my work. After that I programmed some databases for myself using Borland Paradox (still MSDOS). But to be honest, since using Windows (from Win 3.0 on) and now Mac, I have neglected that particular skill because 98% of what I need can be done with a click or two and making a living keeps me very busy anyway. I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to write a script or the time to learn. So I'll just keep clicking...
However, I appreciate the response and for many keen MacOS users that is probably a very logical approach.
I loved Borland’s Paradox especially after dBaseII. And their QuattroPro was, for me, a terrific spreadsheet program. Sorry these didn’t develop but just went away. Today, I long for a Paradox equivalent for native macOS. Started using Ninox and it is a pretty full-featured database product though reporting is very limited for me.
 

n-evo

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I haven't experienced any stability issues with macOS Big Sur either. That said I haven't experienced any major problems with any macOS version since the Mac OS X 10.3 Panther (2003) days.
 

Apple Knowledge Navigator

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They can stabilise away. I want my iMac to be so stable I can use it as a surfboard.

The past 4 or so years has been a mixture of highs and lows, no doubt because Apple was preparing the OS for its compatibility with Silicon. And even with my M1, there are still little quirks about the system that I don't encounter on the Intel counterpart. RAM usage is probably the main one at the moment, I'm seeing memory leaks all over the place. And I want my surfboard to be leak-free.
 

Dockland

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They can stabilise away. I want my iMac to be so stable I can use it as a surfboard.

The past 4 or so years has been a mixture of highs and lows, no doubt because Apple was preparing the OS for its compatibility with Silicon. And even with my M1, there are still little quirks about the system that I don't encounter on the Intel counterpart. RAM usage is probably the main one at the moment, I'm seeing memory leaks all over the place. And I want my surfboard to be leak-free.

Is this Big Sur or the application(s) fault?
 

fisherking

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They can stabilise away. I want my iMac to be so stable I can use it as a surfboard.

The past 4 or so years has been a mixture of highs and lows, no doubt because Apple was preparing the OS for its compatibility with Silicon. And even with my M1, there are still little quirks about the system that I don't encounter on the Intel counterpart. RAM usage is probably the main one at the moment, I'm seeing memory leaks all over the place. And I want my surfboard to be leak-free.
an OS is always a work-in-progress, it will never be perfect; hence the endless updates. and no matter what, we're all on different hardware, with different peripherals, running and needing different apps; it's an impossible wish to see everyone have everything running without issue

so, we hope it's as good as it can get at any particular moment, and we get on with our work.
 

fisherking

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In the case of the system error messages, Big Sur. Even the other day I was in System Pref and the pane just beach-balled. No reason for it, it just happened.
why not start a thread on the big sur forum, where people running that OS might be able to help? just a thought, seems a more useful approach than mentioning it in the middle of an otherwise-unrelated thread.... anyway, good luck with it!
 
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Kylo83

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Windows 11 looks more exciting theres like
No change apart from safari
 
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