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Is Monterey basically a more stable Big Sur?
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Just looking at the Apple site it looks like they have probably made a poor UI more stable. They have actually gone backwards from the days when they were the king of UI usability.
Unfortunately, because my work, the last Apple OS I used on daily basis was El Capitan. When it came out It was garbage in comparison to Yosemite. Today is considered one of the best. 🤷🏻♂️
macOS still is far more capable than Windows and still rock solid in comparison, but (damn but) nothing like old good days of Snow Leopard.
For me, macOS is day after day more close to Android (full of bloatware and useless memory-consuming stuff) than Mac OS X. Full of monetarization crap. The way so many things used to work (like Console, Mail, System Preferences) are far gone now.
We have faster SSDs, a lot of faster memory, and those CPUs, look at them!!! Why losing time optimising things to use less resources!? Let's made this poor idiotic fans to spend all their money buying 64GB of RAM and disk of thousand TB to run a buggy text editor!
Shame on Apple's bosses...
Nevertheless, still far more better than Windows (but a bit less everyday), as I said before. Just heritage, no really new good stuff.
I still have some faith in Apple, so I spent a lot of money in a new MBP 14" (idiotic me) and using Monterey beta 3 to collaborate sending bug reports of things I use (only one in Mail, so far). I have to say is more stable (in beta state) than the first release.
macOS still is far more capable than Windows and still rock solid in comparison, but (damn but) nothing like old good days of Snow Leopard.
For me, macOS is day after day more close to Android (full of bloatware and useless memory-consuming stuff) than Mac OS X. Full of monetarization crap. The way so many things used to work (like Console, Mail, System Preferences) are far gone now.
We have faster SSDs, a lot of faster memory, and those CPUs, look at them!!! Why losing time optimising things to use less resources!? Let's made this poor idiotic fans to spend all their money buying 64GB of RAM and disk of thousand TB to run a buggy text editor!
Shame on Apple's bosses...
Nevertheless, still far more better than Windows (but a bit less everyday), as I said before. Just heritage, no really new good stuff.
I still have some faith in Apple, so I spent a lot of money in a new MBP 14" (idiotic me) and using Monterey beta 3 to collaborate sending bug reports of things I use (only one in Mail, so far). I have to say is more stable (in beta state) than the first release.
Just updated from Catalina to Monterey. Was a lot easier than the Catalina "update" which took months to fix things.
The thing that's struck me with Monterey is there doesn't seem to be anything useful in it. The look & feel's subtly changed where they've "fixed" things that didn't need fixing (e.g. notifications are more annoying, the "loading" dialog's got more annoying animation, text is more grey and smaller...).
Aside from emojis -- how did we ever live without them, oh, we grew up -- what other meaningful updates are there that is applicable to a work tool?
In other words Monterey seems rather 'meh' for a major update. Maybe that's a good thing?
Quite interesting seeing some of the alerts coming out of Little Snitch. Several phone-home applications that I don't use -- "game centre", stocks, reversetemplated...
EDIT: Time Machine backup on Monterey panicked the kernel and corrupted my SSD requiring a "format" and re-install from backup.
I have now UPGRADED back to Catalina as I cannot trust Monterey. That cost me two days money. Am not at all amused by this.
The thing that's struck me with Monterey is there doesn't seem to be anything useful in it. The look & feel's subtly changed where they've "fixed" things that didn't need fixing (e.g. notifications are more annoying, the "loading" dialog's got more annoying animation, text is more grey and smaller...).
Aside from emojis -- how did we ever live without them, oh, we grew up -- what other meaningful updates are there that is applicable to a work tool?
In other words Monterey seems rather 'meh' for a major update. Maybe that's a good thing?
Quite interesting seeing some of the alerts coming out of Little Snitch. Several phone-home applications that I don't use -- "game centre", stocks, reversetemplated...
EDIT: Time Machine backup on Monterey panicked the kernel and corrupted my SSD requiring a "format" and re-install from backup.
I have now UPGRADED back to Catalina as I cannot trust Monterey. That cost me two days money. Am not at all amused by this.
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Man, I feel that you're one of those persons with bad vibes with tech. I don't know, I also have a M1 Air and I'm not experiencing any of those issues. Have you done a full reinstall? I mean a clean slate, not a Migration or anything.
Monterey on a M1 should not be like this.
Last Month is was reading the Monterey features and
seemed to me that every topic i said "dont want' instead of "dint need"
then in the 3rd update one can draw a line on an iPad and continue on an mac (big deal)
Mojave is the last non-pad OS will develop, and even that has cursor problems occasionally.
someone one here said iPhotos was the worse program tried to make, and they are correct.
what a hit or miss program for something as simple as moving a photo or video via a usb chord
from an iPad to a MacBook!
oh well.......
Yep, done that too. I never migrate, I copy manually my data and reinstall the apps.
It isn’t only macOS. TvOS doesn’t pair with my partner’s Apple Watch when using fitness for example and she is the one who pays for it, but with my watch it works, HomePod at least once a week if I ask to turn off a light tells me it can’t do that on HomePod, for a few minutes, then it starts working again. It’s just a messed up software ecosystem.
I’ve been emailing back and forth with an apple engineer for 9 months now and all the issues we discussed about were “recognised” but still baked in the OS. They fixed handoff and continuity on Monterey beta 4, it was all working perfectly, then they broke it again on beta 5 and it is still not working.
I’m talking about the fact that if you log in with two different user accounts continuity and unlock with Apple Watch stop working.
I also can’t get AirPods automatic switching to work. Never worked for me.
It’s an embarrassment for apple.
My partner lately has been using the photos app for some projects, with some basic iMovie, the amount of nonsense and issues you come across is just incredible.
She actually told me she doesn’t understand why I’m so into apple because she can’t get stuff done without me having to swear and find workarounds on regular basis.
Still A LOT much better than Windows/Linux...
Switched from Windows to Ubuntu, and now to MBP14@macOS and I'm about 20% more productive now (if no more): the way the controls work, the fact that is native BSD with all my tools already installed (Ubuntu too), the OS speed (not like Win/Ubuntu), the fact that rarely something crashes (definitely not like Win/Ubuntu), all the Windows corporative apps that I need but MUCH better (you wish Ubuntu!), anyways...
P.S.: my PC rig is not bad at all (read my signature). In many ways superior to the M1 Pro. Still the Mac is faster...
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I generally wait a while before updating, if you just stick to the .4 or .5 releases in the cycle you tend to have many fewer small bugs. Yes it means that there’s a six month gap between when OS revisions arrive and when you upgrade, but that just requires you to build a little discipline.
Big Sur 11.6 has been stable for me and it will continue to do fine for a little while.
Big Sur 11.6 has been stable for me and it will continue to do fine for a little while.
Really sorry to hear about what happened post-update. I hope your system is working smoothly now!
Out of curiosity, what Mac model did you try this software update on? I am currently on a Early 2015 Retina 13" MBP and have been very wary of updating from Catalina, fearing that I'll end up in a similar situation as yours.
16" MBP Intel with 64GB ram and 4TB SSD.
Was fine up until I plugged in my Time Machine backup which ran (I've 2.8TB of files). After many hours (it's a backgound task, think it took 18 hours then it "panicked" the OS kernel and shut down the machine (Win-DOS users would call this a Blue Screen of Death). When rebooted Finder was reporting 3.3 TB free space yet I have over 2.8TB used (i.e. prior to the crash Finder reported 1.2TB free). Smelling a rat I ran Disk Utility which crashed following a load of errors -- ran that for 10 hours! Had to reboot, then the system slowly died in front of me.
Only recourse was to format (erase) the SSD and do a full TM recovery over 20 hours. This did get me back to the Catalina backup prior to my mistake of trusting Monterey. Disk Utility ran with a clean bill of health.
I don't know what happened, all I know is TM appears to be responsible for corrupting the file system (as reported by the Crash reporter). I seem to remember TM crashes back in the early Catalina days.
When Monterey gets to 12.5 it will be just as stable as Big Sur. It’s in its baby infancy now.