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r.harris1

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I thought you said the camera does not matter?
A good photographer can make a great image with any camera because they understand the limitations and benefits of any piece of equipment, understands optics, light, exposure and is experienced with composition and other fundamentals. It’s understanding that makes the statement “cameras don’t matter” true.
 

MajorFubar

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It will be. Just like video tapes and cassette tapes I don’t see an attraction in 2022.
While you can see a clear analogy between video tapes, cassette, and film, for film-enthusiasts it's not the same at all. Video tapes and cassette tapes gave results which were technically inferior to the technology which replaced them. Film-photography is just a different process which gives results which are not necessarily inferior.
 
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jwolf6589

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While you can see a clear analogy between video tapes, cassette, and film, for film-enthusiasts it's not the same at all. Video tapes and cassette tapes gave results which were technically inferior to the technology which replaced them. Film-photography is just a different process which gives results which are not necessarily inferior.
What would be the advantage of having to wait for photos 1 hour or such? I remember the old 1-hr photo shops at Walgreens and such that used to be around.
 

MajorFubar

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What would be the advantage of having to wait for photos 1 hour or such? I remember the old 1-hr photo shops at Walgreens and such that used to be around.
As primarily a slide photographer I never even got the benefit of 1-hour processing, but I still used to enjoy film photography and still occasionally shoot film. Film photography is a completely different mindset and different discipline. Waiting a week for my slides to come back and laying them out on the light box for the first time was part of the fun. (My dad used to process his own slides at home but I never got into that.)

I also enjoy using quality gear from the pre-digital era, which for me is part of the enjoyment. I prefer what you would class as vintage cameras to modern digital cameras, which are basically computers with a lens on the front. Among my collection is a completely manual SLR, my Olympus OM1n, which only needs a zinc-air battery for its light-meter, but in an emergency it's very possible to use the 'sunny 16' rule and take properly-exposed photos in good light without batteries at all. (Or use a separate light-meter.)

My favourite camera is my Olympus OM4Ti. (That does need batteries.)

EDIT: a distinct benefit of film cameras vs digital is that it was the lens and film which governed the quality of the shots, not the camera body. My consumer-grade Olympus OM10 I inherited from my dad takes basically the same quality of shots as my pro-grade OM4Ti if you fit it with the same lenses. It has way less features, the shutter is a bit clackety, and it has certain nylon gears where the 4Ti is built to be hammered hard by pros, but basically it takes the same quality of shots. The same can't be said for digital SLRs because they only put the best sensors in the most expensive bodies.
 
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jwolf6589

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As primarily a slide photographer I never even got the benefit of 1-hour processing, but I still used to enjoy film photography and still occasionally shoot film. Film photography is a completely different mindset and different discipline. Waiting a week for my slides to come back and laying them out on the light box for the first time was part of the fun. (My dad used to process his own slides at home but I never got into that.)

I also enjoy using quality gear from the pre-digital era, which for me is part of the enjoyment. I prefer what you would class as vintage cameras to modern digital cameras, which are basically computers with a lens on the front. Among my collection is a completely manual SLR, my Olympus OM1n, which only needs a zinc-air battery for its light-meter, but in an emergency it's very possible to use the 'sunny 16' rule and take properly-exposed photos in good light without batteries at all.

My favourite camera is my Olympus OM4Ti. (That does need batteries.)

EDIT: a distinct benefit of film cameras vs digital is that it was the lens and film which governed the quality of the shots, not the camera body. My consumer-grade Olympus OM10 I inherited from my dad takes basically the same quality of shots as my pro-grade OM4Ti if you fit it with the same lenses. It has way less features, the shutter is a bit clackety, and it has certain nylon gears where the 4Ti is built to be hammered hard by pros, but basically it takes the same quality of shots. The same can't be said for digital SLRs because they only put the best sensors in the most expensive bodies.
I see. Interesting... Well I see to you using film is fun, but to me its not so to each their own. I used an Olympus film camera in the old days and did experience exposure issues more often then than with my Powershot these days. Like for example I take a shot that has too much light or whatever went wrong and the picture comes back with issues that require photoshop to fix. I am not having this problem with my Powershot and do most shooting in the auto mode. Strange.. Perhaps my film cameras in those days were just too cheap, while my own Powershot cost me $500.
 

jwolf6589

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I shoot several camera brands. They’re all fun, because yes, photography is fun.
I agree photography is fun. But to me Canon is more fun. But then again in the film days I ddi use an Olympus camera and it was fun whenever it did not have exposure issues or whatever producing pictures that required Photoshop to fix.
 

r.harris1

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I agree photography is fun. But to me Canon is more fun. But then again in the film days I ddi use an Olympus camera and it was fun whenever it did not have exposure issues or whatever producing pictures that required Photoshop to fix.
What are 5 specific features of your camera that you feel make photography fun in general and set it apart specifically from other camera brands?
 

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Like for example I take a shot that has too much light or whatever went wrong and the picture comes back with issues that require photoshop to fix. I am not having this problem with my Powershot and do most shooting in the auto mode. Strange.. Perhaps my film cameras in those days were just too cheap, while my own Powershot cost me $500.
No it's because in those days you were expected to have a certain degree of knowledge to manually override the settings to allow for the desired exposure in 'non typical' scenes, such as backlit shots. Towards the end of film's dominance, the most complex fully-electronic bodies from m'frs like Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Minolta had matrix metering modes that tried to best-guess what the actual subject in your image was. Commonly it would figure the largest shape closest to the lens was the thing you wanted to correctly expose, so it would meter for that.

Prior to that, it relied on the brains of the person holding the camera to know when to override any suggested exposure settings. Spot metering helped a lot. I used to use that a lot on my OM4Ti, which could average readings from upto 8 different spot-readings in your scene.
 

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What are 5 specific features of your camera that you feel make photography fun in general and set it apart specifically from other camera brands?
I don't have much experience with other camera brands, but I used to own a Vivitar, Nikon, and Kodak digital cameras. When I moved almost year ago I believe I left the Nikon behind.
 

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Yes, people who post 86 photos to social media kill me! I try to select the best 5-7 from any trip or event, edit & post.
 
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r.harris1

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I don't have much experience with other camera brands, but I used to own a Vivitar, Nikon, and Kodak digital cameras. When I moved almost year ago I believe I left the Nikon behind.
OK, what are 5 things about your p&s that for you makes it your choice of camera? If, for you, photography is fun because your camera, for you, makes it fun, why is that? What are the specific features that make your camera fun for you?
 

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OK, what are 5 things about your p&s that for you makes it your choice of camera? If, for you, photography is fun because your camera, for you, makes it fun, why is that? What are the specific features that make your camera fun for you?
Don’t have my camera in front of me but I’d say the following.

Auto mode
Macro mode- Lacking in non Pro iPhone 13.
Tons of features
Ability to shoot in black and white if I choose
Movie mode
So much more such as sports mode, ability to shoot many shots at once like burst mode.

I do use Canon to shoot movies on occasion but most of my videos are shot on camcorder and it has more features for video than Powershot but I like the ability to shoot in HD because previous Powershot only shot in low res 640x480 and videos came out crappy.
 

r.harris1

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Don’t have my camera in front of me but I’d say the following.

Auto mode
Macro mode- Lacking in non Pro iPhone 13.
Tons of features
Ability to shoot in black and white if I choose
Movie mode
So much more such as sports mode, ability to shoot many shots at once like burst mode.

I do use Canon to shoot movies on occasion but most of my videos are shot on camcorder and it has more features for video than Powershot but I like the ability to shoot in HD because previous Powershot only shot in low res 640x480 and videos came out crappy.
Thanks! And the great thing is that the world of digital cameras is such that people can get the same capabilities in any brand of their choice and therefore spreads the fun.
 

jwolf6589

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Thanks! And the great thing is that the world of digital cameras is such that people can get the same capabilities in any brand of their choice and therefore spreads the fun.
True. My experience is just mostly with Canon but I understand Sony, Olympus and such also offer such features. But does a standard IPhone 13? No. For one iPhone 13 can only shoot at 12MP now probably does not have as nice of sensors as Powershot.
 

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True. My experience is just mostly with Canon but I understand Sony, Olympus and such also offer such features. But does a standard IPhone 13? No. For one iPhone 13 can only shoot at 12MP now probably does not have as nice of sensors as Powershot.
12 MP or 48 MP, it doesn't matter really. It's all about the sensor. I would bet the sensor in your iPhone is better than the Powershot.

Just for haha's. Take the same image with both your Powershot and iPhone. Both at their highest resolution and compare them here.
 

bunnspecial

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12 MP or 48 MP, it doesn't matter really. It's all about the sensor. I would bet the sensor in your iPhone is better than the Powershot.

Just for haha's. Take the same image with both your Powershot and iPhone. Both at their highest resolution and compare them here.
Or even better, compare them at the 10mp setting on the Powershot that the OP seems to prefer...
 

bunnspecial

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True. My experience is just mostly with Canon but I understand Sony, Olympus and such also offer such features. But does a standard IPhone 13? No. For one iPhone 13 can only shoot at 12MP now probably does not have as nice of sensors as Powershot.

You'd be hard pressed to find a current P&S or ILC that doesn't have your feature list. I can claim to have one of the few recent(ish) Nikons to not have video, but that's also a rather specialized camera with a bunch of other features that you won't find put together in any other modern camera.

Also, P&Ss may offer a sports/action/burst mode and a macro mode, but generally they're a half-hearted attempt and ILCs are generally a much better option for either of those uses. Things like focus tracking, burst speed(in fps) and length of burst(how many shots you can take in a row before the camera bottlenecks writing to the card) tend to all be better in ILCs, or at least those meant for that type of photography. Macro really is best served with a dedicated macro lens, and even using other tools paired with a macro lens.
 

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Take a few night shots as well.
Just did. Shot one shot at 10MP, another at 20MP and then one on iPhone and compared them. Honestly they looked better on the Powershot. The 20MP image was 7MB while the 10MP image was 2MB.
 

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Just did. Shot one shot at 10MP, another at 20MP and then one on iPhone and compared them. Honestly they looked better on the Powershot. The 20MP image was 7MB while the 10MP image was 2MB.
No flash, just a straight night shot.
 

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I took pictures of my tv stand and tv.
Go outside, take a picture of something of interest. Like this.
DSC00719.jpg
 
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