Is Steve Jobs ill?

[Sun Baked]

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/06/10/apple_says_steve_jobs_feeling_a_little_under_the_weather_recently.html

There, did that calm your fears?

When you have thinned down, and are on a low cal diet ... getting mildly ill and not eating can really make you look thin if you lose 5-10 lbs.

Fat people get the flu and drop 10-15lbs, and "wow martha, you are looking good."

Steve gets sick and drops a few lbs off a thin frame, "Oh crap, Steve is dying."

 

[IJ Reilly]

95% of people diagnosed with pancreatic cancer are dead very soon. 99% die within 5 years. The 1%?...maybe they had the courage to go against the western medical monolith of cutting, burning, radiating the object out of you.

Not if it's a neuroendocrine tumor, as it was reported he had, a far less aggressive kind than the common form of pancreatic cancer.

Cancer is far more survivable now than it was just a few years ago, if it is detected early and treated. I know plenty of people who, if it wasn't for the "western medical monolith" (whatever that is), would probably be dead now.

 

[gkarris]

Story here:

http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/06/13/steve-jobs-life-after-the-whipple/

 

[EricNau]

....right, like the established medical community has an answer for cancer..., especially pancreatic cancer. He's is better of trying something alternative. Not to mention that a vegan/fish only meat diet is vastly more healthy for a human than munching on cows and pigs. Most of you on this thread do not know squat about alternative cancer treatments, or dietary health in general.

Steve had the whipple procedure. In the Whipple operation the head of the pancreas, a portion of the bile duct, the gallbladder and the duodenum is removed. Occasionally a portion of the stomach may also be removed. After removal of these structures the remaining pancreas, bile duct and the intestine is sutured back into the intestine to direct the gastrointestinal secretions back into the gut.

You try and absorbing calories after having that procedure. 95% of people diagnosed with pancreatic cancer are dead very soon. 99% die within 5 years. The 1%?...maybe they had the courage to go against the western medical monolith of cutting, burning, radiating the object out of you.

Boy do you have everything completely backwards. First of all, Steve's pancreatic cancer and the pancreatic cancer to which you are referring are very different; you can't compare Steve's success with the survival rates you're quoting. Secondly, the 1% of those who survive, survive through surgery, aggressive treatments of chemotherapy and radiation, and most importantly, early detection.

 

[doug in albq]

Boy do you have everything completely backwards. First of all, Steve's pancreatic cancer and the pancreatic cancer to which you are referring are very different; you can't compare Steve's success with the survival rates you're quoting. Secondly, the 1% of those who survive, survive through surgery, aggressive treatments of chemotherapy and radiation, and most importantly, early detection.

...Do I really have it all wrong?

a quote from an MD about Steve....

"I am a general surgeon and I must say i am also skeptical that this tumor was endocrine and not exocrine. Usually a Whipple is reserved for exocrine (adenocarcinoma) and islet cell tumors of the head of the pancreas are enucleated. Also what type of islet cell tumor was it: insulinoma, glucagonoma or what? They each are treated differently and have different rates of recurrence and different prognosis."

From YOUR point of view I most likely have everything wrong, yes. Of course your point of view would be the view of the "established western AMA-bot mind-set" Those folks touting the "success" of western medical procedures to deal with pancreatic cancer are the same folks trying to sell that ultra-expensive slice-n-dice procedure. Not to mention their "success" is 20% still living after 5 years....wow, some success huh?

 

[IJ Reilly]

Posting links to sources really helps in a discussion like this.

We don't know who has it "all wrong" here since Steve Jobs does not release his medical records, but I can see that you have ignored all of the contrary evidence provided in the Fortune article. Also, even by your own reckoning, if Jobs had the more common and deadly form of the disease, he probably be dead by now.

As for your "Western medicine" comments you've added nothing of value to this discussion, if only because probably every one us knows at least one person who's living with cancer today when just a few years ago they'd likely as not be dead. In some cases, maybe we are that person.

 

[nick9191]

Yeah up until 1997 he looked great, then he aged about 30 years in the space of 5 years.

 

[doug in albq]

Posting links to sources really helps in a discussion like this.

We don't know who has it "all wrong" here since Steve Jobs does not release his medical records, but I can see that you have ignored all of the contrary evidence provided in the Fortune article. Also, even by your own reckoning, if Jobs had the more common and deadly form of the disease, he probably be dead by now.

As for your "Western medicine" comments you've added nothing of value to this discussion, if only because probably every one us knows at least one person who's living with cancer today when just a few years ago they'd likely as not be dead. In some cases, maybe we are that person.

Yes, from your point of view (sounding like a broken record), I have added nothing. However, your point of view is (obviously) the point of view of the established western (AMA) mind-set.

let me add something from my point of view, (and maybe I have a VERY close relationship with/to A "cancer" also).

instead of cutting out body parts, maybe one can shrink tumors away almost magically...how?

1. Pau D' Arco tea
2. Essica Tea
3. Raw Garlic
4. Green Tea
5. Alkalizing Diet (ditch the meat & cow's milk)
6. eliminate ALL forms sugar from diet (except specific fruit)
7. Turmeric
8. Oleander tea
9. CoQ10
10. Extra Virgin Coconut Oil
11. No coffee, no alcohol, no red meat, no dairy.



IJ Reilly, do you know what nation has vastly more cancer per capita than all other nations? Why it is the United States of America. Nations who's people have stayed with a more traditional, plant-based diets have vastly less cancer than the USA.

 

[IJ Reilly]

That's lots of nice folklore. It's also telling that you think of cancer as a euphemism. Maybe you can afford to.

 

[EricNau]

doug in albq, I hope you're never unfortunate enough to get cancer; with that treatment you'd have little hope.

 

[IJ Reilly]

doug in albq, I hope you're never unfortunate enough to get cancer; with that treatment you'd have little hope.

Obviously, he's planning on preventing it. Good luck with that.

 

[Kinderhauz]

I have to admit, I was worried when I saw how thin he was. But Apple has come out and said that he's fine. I tend to trust them, because if they are lying they would be opening themselves up to lawsuits from shareholders if it ever came out.

 

[honeycrisp]

I have to admit, I was worried when I saw how thin he was. But Apple has come out and said that he's fine. I tend to trust them, because if they are lying they would be opening themselves up to lawsuits from shareholders if it ever came out.

Isn't he like a vegan or something too? Could have something to do with it.