Is steve Unwell

[Josh]

There is nothing "appalling" or "tasteless" about discussing concern for one's health, especially such an influential and important person like Jobs.

Many of us here really admire Steve Jobs, Apple, and what he brings to the whole computer/technology/movie scenario.

On top, there are a lot of Apple stockholders here, who have every right to be concerned about their company's CEO.

Though I do try to be understanding, so I will appologize to those who thought his obvious change appearance would go ignored.

 

[Macmadant]

There is nothing "appalling" or "tasteless" about discussing concern for one's health, especially such an influential and important person like Jobs.

Many of us here really admire Steve Jobs, Apple, and what he brings to the whole computer/technology/movie scenario.

On top, there are a lot of Apple stockholders here, who have every right to be concerned about their company's CEO.

Though I do try to be understanding, so I will appologize to those who thought his obvious change appearance would go ignored.

You've hit the nail on the head, Everyone who says this is wrong, is themselves How is expressing concern for a person wrong, if a person looked ill in your family and you said to another family member he doesn't look good to me, is that a wrong thing, No your concerned for them

 

[mcarnes]

You've hit the nail on the head, Everyone who says this is wrong, is themselves How is expressing concern for a person wrong, if a person looked ill in your family and you said the another family member he doesn't look good to me, is that a wrong thing, No your concerned for them

If you had cancer and were trying to keep it under control, would you want everyone saying how BAD you look? I think my self esteem would plummet.

 

[benthewraith]

If you had cancer and were trying to keep it under control, would you want everyone saying how BAD you look? I think my self esteem would plummet.

I know they would say it anyways, probably not to me. People generally are going to say things about people behind their backs. "She hasn't been feeling well", "you can see it in her eyes, they're so dark, she's pale" etc.

 

[gadgetgirl85]

Judging on the change in appearance he looks ill to me. Hope hes ok though

 

[Bern]

so he grew some facial hair and changed the lighting at wwdc 06 so what

Actually he has lost weight, his cheeks are hollow and he looks rather gaunt in comparison to last year. It takes a little more lighting to look that noticeably thinner

 

[IJ Reilly]

If you had cancer and were trying to keep it under control, would you want everyone saying how BAD you look? I think my self esteem would plummet.

I don't suppose Steve reads MacRumors, or has much of a self-esteem problem. In fact if you're battling cancer, self-esteem is the least of your problems.

I had another thought about his medical situation. His cancer was pancreatic, which I presume called for a partial resection of his pancreas. As a result he might be having a problem regulating his blood sugar levels, causing either diabetes or hypoglycemia. Either one can be very wearing on a body. It'd be nice to think this is the extent of his current medical issues.

 

[mcarnes]

I don't suppose Steve reads MacRumors, or has much of a self-esteem problem. In fact if you're battling cancer, self-esteem is the least of your problems.

By self-esteem I mean hope for a positive outcome. Even the toughest person can lose hope if everyone says he looks like he's on deaths door.

And this isn't just on MR. I've read about it in several places on the web. I mean, Steve must know what people are saying about him.

But I'm sure he isn't reading this thread in particular, so carry on.

 

[_Matt]

By self-esteem I mean hope for a positive outcome. Even the toughest person can lose hope if everyone says he looks like he's on deaths door.

And this isn't just on MR. I've read about it in several places on the web. I mean, Steve must know what people are saying about him.

But I'm sure he isn't reading this thread in particular, so carry on.

I share your opinion on this matter but it's a shame no one else does.

If Steve is truly ill, I hope that whatever treatment he undergoes will be successful. In all honesty, he just looks like he's aging and has been running out in the sun. Let's hope so.

 

[DJMastaWes]

I voted no, because I could not really tell. But he did not SOUND well.

 

[joshwest]

I would say he is well, but maybe he just under the weather inoitced he was a bit sluggish on his speech sometimes he studdered. But who knows if it was anything major he would let the world know.

But it does kinda bother me he didnt do the whole presnetation. esp since the Mac Pro is the Top of the line Mac i think the CEO Steve would def want to present it.

 

[hob]

I know it's already been done, but take a look:


Macworld '06 ------------------------> WWDC '06

This may sound totally gay, but I was doing research for my uni project tonight, and needed some iPod stats. I searched through the Macworld '06 QuickTime feed, and was shocked - because I'd watched WWDC only yesterday!

Well, I got the two streams side by side, and showed my Mum... she's a nurse. She said, whilst it's hard to tell stuff about a person just from looking, that the weight loss within 6 months is not so healthy - it doesn't look like he's been working out, there's an overrall reduction in his body mass, and no increase in muscle tone...

Also, where Cancer is concerned - she said that often a patient makes a full recovery, then a year later it all catches up with them, and takes its toll. I would hope this is the case with Steve, as in my eyes it's the least that could be wrong with him!

Yes its prying, but all of us should be concerned - he's an important (perhaps small) part of all of our lives!!

 

[brepublican]

This may sound totally gay, but...

This is TOTALLY gay...

 

[mark!]

Actually he has lost weight, his cheeks are hollow and he looks rather gaunt in comparison to last year. It takes a little more lighting to look that noticeably thinner

well then its clear hes an anorexic.

he's aging, he survived cancer, and he has a very stressful job. of course he might look a little rough.

 

[p0intblank]

I know it's already been done, but take a look:


Macworld '06 ------------------------> WWDC '06

This may sound totally gay, but I was doing research for my uni project tonight, and needed some iPod stats. I searched through the Macworld '06 QuickTime feed, and was shocked - because I'd watched WWDC only yesterday!

Well, I got the two streams side by side, and showed my Mum... she's a nurse. She said, whilst it's hard to tell stuff about a person just from looking, that the weight loss within 6 months is not so healthy - it doesn't look like he's been working out, there's an overrall reduction in his body mass, and no increase in muscle tone...

Also, where Cancer is concerned - she said that often a patient makes a full recovery, then a year later it all catches up with them, and takes its toll. I would hope this is the case with Steve, as in my eyes it's the least that could be wrong with him!

Yes its prying, but all of us should be concerned - he's an important (perhaps small) part of all of our lives!!

Now I'm kind of scared... no offense, but I hope your Mum is wrong.

 

[IJ Reilly]

Now I'm kind of scared... no offense, but I hope your Mum is wrong.

I don't think she's talking about the disease coming back, though that is always a risk.

The thing with a major medical condition is once you start recovering, you begin feeling noticeably better every day. At some point, your rate of progress levels off at something less that 100% to the point where week to week you don't seem to feel noticeably better. Those last few miles can be a real tough slog. It can be the most tiring and demoralizing period in your recovery, especially when you begin to think about what just happened to you, and what it means for your future. The doctors are not much help. Not only don't they warn you about this recovery hump, they usually don't give you the kind of unambiguous encouragement that might ease you through it. Emotionally, it can be a very tough time.

 

[hob]

I don't think she's talking about the disease coming back, though that is always a risk.

The thing with a major medical condition is once you start recovering, you begin feeling noticeably better every day. At some point, your rate of progress levels off at something less that 100% to the point where week to week you don't seem to feel noticeably better. Those last few miles can be a real tough slog. It can be the most tiring and demoralizing period in your recovery, especially when you begin to think about what just happened to you, and what it means for your future. The doctors are not much help. Not only don't they warn you about this recovery hump, they usually don't give you the kind of unambiguous encouragement that might ease you through it. Emotionally, it can be a very tough time.

That's what I meant, and that's what I hope is up with Steve (as opposed to being anything more serious). Obviously I don't wish that on anyone, but compared to what it could be...

 

[mac-er]

Like others have said, I don't really think it's our business

It is definitely our business. The man is the head of a publicly traded company.

My gut is that he is seriously ill (possibly a relapse). The biggest clue is how he handled the keynote. He was dull..the RDF was no where to be found (in comparison to his usual presentations). He seemed very lost and mentally distracted during the demos. And, he shared the stage. Hope for the best, expect the worst.

I hope everything is okay because Apple is in trouble if those three boobs are going to be running the joint.

 

[p0intblank]

That's what I meant, and that's what I hope is up with Steve (as opposed to being anything more serious). Obviously I don't wish that on anyone, but compared to what it could be...

Well hopefully he's okay. I would be crushed if anything ever happened to him.

 

[mac-er]

he survived cancer

I might be wrong, but I don't think medical science considers you "cancer free" or a cancer survivor until it has been in remission for 5 years.

 

[bep207]

correct. you are in "remission" until you reach the 5 year mark

with most forms of cancer they consider that statistically once you reach the 5 year mark you are no more likely to have the disease than someone who never had it before

 

[IJ Reilly]

I might be wrong, but I don't think medical science considers you "cancer free" or a cancer survivor until it has been in remission for 5 years.

There's no simple rule-of-thumb. The types of cancers are so many and varied, their behaviors so different, and the science so incomplete, that none works. Chances for a recurrence diminish with time. A cancer patient will generally be watched very closely for the first year (PET-CT scans every 4-6 months). After that maybe a scan a year for a few years. After 5-10 years, depending on the type and the oncologist who is making the judgment, they might be willing to send you on your way.

Not that anyone should really be considered "cancer free." I forget the exact figures, but somewhere around half of all people get it one form or another during their lifetimes. This proportion will only go up as people live longer.

 

[IJ Reilly]

correct. you are in "remission" until you reach the 5 year mark

with most forms of cancer they consider that statistically once you reach the 5 year mark you are no more likely to have the disease than someone who never had it before

I've pretty much addressed this issue in the post above, but no single number applies. It really depends on a whole array of factors, including what you had, where you had it, how advanced it was when caught, how it was treated, etc. -- and last but not least, on the judgement of the doctors.

 

[bep207]

I've pretty much addressed this issue in the post above, but no single number applies. It really depends on a whole array of factors, including what you had, where you had it, how advanced it was when caught, how it was treated, etc. -- and last but not least, on the judgement of the doctors.

i am in medical school and the 5 year mark is a huge mark for all cancer recoverees. This landmark is where many of them can finally consider themselves a "survivor". Of course making it 5 years does not mean that you are "cured". However, after 5 years of being completely cancer free, you are considered to be rid of the disease.

 

[IJ Reilly]

However, after 5 years of being completely cancer free, you are considered to be rid of the disease.

Not according to my oncologist. He speaks in terms of ten years.