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MagSafe can be obtained with a case. Maybe not perfect but this is the low end price point phone.
Irrelevant. It won’t get you fast charge and it would have cost Apple pennies to implement in this phone.

It would have also made every 16e owner a potential MagSafe accessory customer and reduced confusion in their product stack.

They could have probably made this device for less cost if they’d simply blanked off one of the camera holes on the 16, installed the down binned SOC and called it a day.

They had to spin up an entire new manufacturing line for this!
 
Irrelevant. It won’t get you fast charge and it would have cost Apple pennies to implement in this phone.

It would have also made every 16e owner a potential MagSafe accessory customer and reduced confusion in their product stack.

They could have probably made this device for less cost if they’d simply blanked off one of the camera holes on the 16, installed the down binned SOC and called it a day.

They had to spin up an entire new manufacturing line for this!
You do know they are the #1 corporation in the world? They didn’t get there by being stupid.
 
Irrelevant. It won’t get you fast charge and it would have cost Apple pennies to implement in this phone.

It would have also made every 16e owner a potential MagSafe accessory customer and reduced confusion in their product stack.

They could have probably made this device for less cost if they’d simply blanked off one of the camera holes on the 16, installed the down binned SOC and called it a day.

They had to spin up an entire new manufacturing line for this!

I don’t disagree about including MagSafe - it doesn’t affect me so I’m not bothered by it. But if you think they increased their cost curve with this device you’re sorely mistaken.
 
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They got there by offering a superior product experience.

They nearly went broke in the 90s pulling stupid product segmentation games like this.
That was decades ago and, again, a different time in technology.
 
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The price isn’t bad for what you get but the feature omission of MagSafe is inexcusable. Apple had the opportunity to have MagSafe accessories work across the entire lineup for a few pennies in bom cost.

They didn’t because they were worried about the E cannibalising 16 sales. Which sucks. I guarantee there will be parents/grandparents buying MagSafe charger stands for their kids (or selves) as presents etc. only to find they don’t work properly. It’s confusion in the product lineup that didn’t need to exist!
You’re super passionate about the dropping of MagSafe. It’s fantastic!

Personally I never use wireless charging so it’s a non-issue for me.

And my case has no MagSafe pass-through so I have no accessories either.

I don’t know if it’s as bad as you think. The price point will probably be more of an issue than the missing features.
 
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You’re super passionate about the dropping of MagSafe. It’s fantastic!

Personally I never use wireless charging so it’s a non-issue for me.

And my case has no MagSafe pass-through so I have no accessories either.

I don’t know if it’s as bad as you think. The price point will probably be more of an issue than the missing features.
Maybe he bought stock in MagSafe. 🤣 Either way, why would anyone care what others buy and enjoy? Seems very strange.
 
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Irrelevant really

The specs are rather awful for the price. There are far better devices out there for the price

How is it irrelevant? Apple was selling the 128gb SE3 for that price up until the 16e was released with significantly less specs and nobody complained about that. It’s also $200 less than the regular 16. There’s no question the 16e’s components make it worth well more than then SE3, in the same way they make it well less than the 16. So unless you have a problem with every device’s price in their lineup, it’s extremely relevant.

Also, can you name another phone out there that has an SOC as good as the A18 for $600? People seem to be dismissing that cost.
 
How is it irrelevant? Apple was selling the 128gb SE3 for that price up until the 16e was released with significantly less specs and nobody complained about that. It’s also $200 less than the regular 16. There’s no question the 16e’s components make it worth well more than then SE3, in the same way they make it well less than the 16. So unless you have a problem with every device’s price in their lineup, it’s extremely relevant.

Also, can you name another phone out there that has an SOC as good as the A18 for $600? People seem to be dismissing that cost.
The proof will be if, and when, the 16e outsells the SE. The naysayers will continue their rhetoric but it will show, or not, that Apple was right.
 
How is it irrelevant? Apple was selling the 128gb SE3 for that price up until the 16e was released with significantly less specs and nobody complained about that. It’s also $200 less than the regular 16. There’s no question the 16e’s components make it worth well more than then SE3, in the same way they make it well less than the 16. So unless you have a problem with every device’s price in their lineup, it’s extremely relevant.

Also, can you name another phone out there that has an SOC as good as the A18 for $600? People seem to be dismissing that cost.

It's Irrelevant as the SE was 429 not 600!

People can accept average or bad specs for around 400.but 600? That's no longer budget pricing

600 for this is just awful value. Great it has a good chip which gets you what really? Nothing can take advantage of that power.

When you compare the specs with every other phone in this price range it loses badly.

One camera
60hz
Poor sensor which is same size as 2028 XR
No magsafe

Anybody who buys this phone is a fool quite frankly. There's better options out there. You can buy a refurb 15 or 15 pro for that price if you need iOS
 
It's Irrelevant as the SE was 429 not 600!

People can accept average or bad specs for around 400.but 600? That's no longer budget pricing

600 for this is just awful value. Great it has a good chip which gets you what really? Nothing can take advantage of that power.

When you compare the specs with every other phone in this price range it loses badly.

One camera
60hz
Poor sensor which is same size as 2028 XR
No magsafe

Anybody who buys this phone is a fool quite frankly. There's better options out there. You can buy a refurb 15 or 15 pro for that price if you need iOS
128gb SE3 was $479.

Did you have a problem with the 14 at $599?
 
Attacking people who buy this phone should not be allowed.
People can buy what they like doesn't make it a good purchasing decision.

It's buying something because it's a new released phone nothing more. You can get so many better options for this price point. Even if you want iOS only. It's really a bad choice
 
People can buy what they like doesn't make it a good purchasing decision.

It's buying something because it's a new released phone nothing more. You can get so many better options for this price point. Even if you want iOS only. It's really a bad choice
Again, you telling people they made the wrong decision or they are a fool should not be allowed.
 
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Again, you telling people they made the wrong decision or they are a fool should not be allowed.
It's called freedom of speech. I can 100% tell people who buy this phone Made the wrong decision. Nobody should buy the 16E and those who do is basically saying to apple keep doing less and keep offering bad value devices because we will buy it anyway

No wonder apple dont try with this product and it's easy to see why tech fans laugh at apple fans who say they buy anything with an apple logo. This is case in point
 
It's called freedom of speech. I can 100% tell people who buy this phone Made the wrong decision. Nobody should buy the 16E and those who do is basically saying to apple keep doing less and keep offering bad value devices because we will buy it anyway

No wonder apple dont try with this product
We’ll see what the mods think. If they agree with you, so be it.
 
We’ll see what the mods think. If they agree with you, so be it.
This is a forum to talk about all topics..there's a reason people have slated this device as it's bad value. As I said people can buy it if they like and I'm sure people will doesn't make it right given what it offers and how many better devices you can get for this price. Even buying a SE is better if they want a cheap phone. This is not cheap
 
I still think they should have used the LCD from the XR/11. It would have greatly reduced the parts cost while still providing a modern form factor.
 
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This is a forum to talk about all topics..there's a reason people have slated this device as it's bad value. As I said people can buy it if they like and I'm sure people will doesn't make it right given what it offers and how many better devices you can get for this price. Even buying a SE is better if they want a cheap phone. This is not cheap
That is your belief and you have a right to it. Once you call others “fools” who bought it or say they made the wrong decision you have crossed the line. We all have freedom to make the decision that is best for us.
 
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That is your belief and you have a right to it. Once you call others “fools” who bought it or say they made the wrong decision you have crossed the line. We all have freedom to make the decision that is best for us.
There is no line that's been crossed. It's simply an awful value device. Saying people made the wrong decision buying it is correct. You disagree whatever but anybody who compares other phones will tell you it's bad value for the cost
 
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