Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Why should you get a 15 pro? Because it kills the 16e in every single area you can think of. It also doesn’t need to be used there’s plenty of places where you can get new 15 pros depending on region.

I fail to see how it has a few useless features when it is superior to the 16e.
16e cost €700 while 15 Pro cost €1180 new or €930 refurbished, both with 128GB.

Except MagSafe and extra cameras that are useless for my needs, what else the 15 Pro has that make it superior?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chidoro
16e cost €700 while 15 Pro cost €1180 new or €930 refurbished, both with 128GB.

Except MagSafe and extra cameras that are useless for my needs, what else the 15 Pro has that make it superior?

If you are willing to spend that much on this 16e you should just get the iPhone 16. It all depends on your region as there’s been plenty of refurb models of 15 pro for around 600-700 but if you don’t care about cameras or MagSafe you may as well just get an old SE if you don’t care about any of the things that matter in a phone. Obviously you aren’t into Android but as an overall phone the Samsung S24FE also destroys this 16e but that won’t matter if people prefer iOS
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Chidoro
If you are willing to spend that much on this 16e you should just get the iPhone 16. It all depends on your region as there’s been plenty of refurb models of 15 pro for around 600-700 but if you don’t care about cameras or MagSafe you may as well just get an old SE if you don’t care about any of the things that matter in a phone. Obviously you aren’t into Android but as an overall phone the Samsung S24FE also destroys this 16e but that won’t matter if people prefer iOS

Dude, I wrote in the post you quoted the cost of a new/refurbished 15 Pro. And iPhone 16 cost €870 (and 15 €755).

I really don’t understand why you trying to convince people to buy used/old phones that cost more just because you think they have better features for your needs. 🤷‍♂️
 
  • Like
Reactions: TgeekB
Dude, I wrote in the post you quoted the cost of a new/refurbished 15 Pro. And iPhone 16 cost €870 (and 15 €755).

I really don’t understand why you trying to convince people to buy used/old phones that cost more just because you think they have better features for your needs.

As is said before people can buy what they like and spend their money how they choose but spending a little bit more you are getting a far better phone which will last just as long as 16e would. If people are willing to spend around 700 a better investment is spending slightly more to get a better device.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Chidoro
As is said before people can buy what they like and spend their money how they choose but spending a little bit more you are getting a far better phone which will last just as long as 16e would. If people are willing to spend around 700 a better investment is spending slightly more to get a better device.

In case you missed my question, I'll ask you again - in which way these old phones are “far better phones” than 16e?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chidoro and RRC
In case you missed my question, I'll ask you again - in which way these old phones are “far better phones” than 16e?

I’ve already gone over what’s better and 15 pro would be a better long term investment

3 cameras
Fee better camera quality
Better video
MagSafe
Better display brightness
High refresh rate

Other models which are very similar to 16e but cheaper so if you don’t care about specs and features then an older phone for cheap makes more sense
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Chidoro
I’ve already gone over what’s better and 15 pro would be a better long term investment

3 cameras
Fee better camera quality
Better video
MagSafe
Better display brightness
High refresh rate

Other models which are very similar to 16e but cheaper so if you don’t care about specs and features then an older phone for cheap makes more sense

Your list of features are useless for my needs.

The only things I care about are - size and weight but it’s no longer relevant because unfortunately Apple won't make 13 Mini successor, long battery life, CPU and RAM.

And that's why a new 16e is a better choice for me.
 
16e has better battery life than any old iPhone, plus AppleCare can be taken out, plus it’s lighter, plus it’s cheaper to repair.

As has been shown on this forum and videos online, the quality in the camera is next to non existent in anything but very low light and on video due to stability.

16e is a great device and not one person who’s bought it has vocally been disappointed! Speaks volumes…
 
Wait… do people really think that trade-in value is worth it?

The 3rd-gen SE has an A15, which should be able to work (even on iOS 18) very well for the foreseeable future. $100 as a trade in is negligible, I might as well keep the SE as a second phone.

It’s not that they give you $100 for a phone that could be conceivable characterized as “not good today”. If they gave $100 for the first-gen SE… maybe, but the last SE? Trade-in value is pathetic.

Do people really practically gift their perfectly-working, amazing 3rd-gen SE to Apple for a meagre $100?

People complain about the 16e’s value… but the most egregious aspect is Apple’s abhorrent trade-in value.

Sure, I can choose not to trade-in (I do), but do people really consider this?
The used market, on eBay at least, for a 3rd gen isn’t much better than that. You might be able to get $145. It’s a cheap used phone. Keeping it for a backup might be a good idea though depending on your situation.
 
I’ve already gone over what’s better and 15 pro would be a better long term investment

3 cameras
Fee better camera quality
Better video
MagSafe
Better display brightness
High refresh rate

Other models which are very similar to 16e but cheaper so if you don’t care about specs and features then an older phone for cheap makes more sense
You can’t make a case for which phone is better for the entire world. It’s subjective and depends on each persons wants and needs. So far it’s getting excellent reviews from people on these forums. That should be all that matters.
 
Last edited:
Apple isn't the only one with "absurd" storage prices e.g., to go from 128GB to 256GB on Pixel 9 and 9 Pro is $100 just like it is for iPhone 16 and 16 Pro.
Fine, Apple and Google or whoever has wildly unreasonable pricing for storage upgrades, markups between 1900-3400%.
 
Yeah same , same all people complaining about the price. But in Japan we pay a premium price even for the cheapest phones.
Apple 🍎 has never been known as a cheaper budget brand. They have always been a premium brand. People complaining about the 16e price should just go to another non-premium brand or make there own phone that’s as cheap as they prefer it to be.

The 16e is a decent price given inflation and Apple of course needing to make a profit and to separate there lineup. Businesses and Corporations will buy the 16e in bulk and it will be very profitable for Apple 🍎
 
It looks like a good phone for someone out of cash. For this price you won’t get any good Android phone with similar feature set and good camera. Oh btw, you mentioned it lacks magsafe: most Androids of this price range cannot wirelessly charge at all.

As for me? Still not convinced I need that, my 11 Pro works good. Will probably switch straight to 17 Pro if it doesn’t look as ugly as in the renders
 
If Apple releases an E model every year the previous year’s E could be kept on sale for $499, like how they discount the previous iPhone model by $100.
 
But in Japan we pay a premium price even for the cheapest phones.

Not necessarily any worse than other countries.

For example:
The pre-consumption tax starting price of the 16e in Japan is around 90,727 yen.
The pre-VAT starting price of the 16e in Italy is around €591 which is around 94,810 yen.
The pre-VAT starting price of the 16e in the UK is around £499 which is around 95,319 yen.

Compared to the U.S. price, the 16e price in Japan isn't much higher. 90,727 yen in USD is around $612 USD or only slightly more than the $599 pre-sales tax U.S. price.
 
You can’t make a case for which phone is better for the entire world. It’s subjective and depends on each persons wants and needs. So far it’s getting excellent reviews from people on these forums. That should be all that matters.
It by itself is not a bad phone.

The problem is there are other better options.
 
Wait… do people really think that trade-in value is worth it?

The 3rd-gen SE has an A15, which should be able to work (even on iOS 18) very well for the foreseeable future. $100 as a trade in is negligible, I might as well keep the SE as a second phone.

It’s not that they give you $100 for a phone that could be conceivable characterized as “not good today”. If they gave $100 for the first-gen SE… maybe, but the last SE? Trade-in value is pathetic.

Do people really practically gift their perfectly-working, amazing 3rd-gen SE to Apple for a meagre $100?

People complain about the 16e’s value… but the most egregious aspect is Apple’s abhorrent trade-in value.

Sure, I can choose not to trade-in (I do), but do people really consider this?

SE3 have been free from carriers or $99 for years now. If you’re trading it in, you’re pretty much getting your money back.

If you bought it full priced, that’s on you!
 
No it’s really not

If you are looking at facts and numbers you would see this is awful value when you compare it with all phones at this price point. So basically you are ignoring all the short comings and buying for the logo then. That’s only reason to buy this device.

I’ve provided numbers and facts and you’ve ignored them and provided only your opinions.

That said, you do have a point about Apple. I prefer to be in the Apple ecosystem due to my family and close friends all being in it. So yes, if there’s an Android device of similar size and quality for less, I would still choose the 16e over it. But said Android device isn’t going to have the same quality processor or the same level of support for as long. So it still somewhat comes back to your opinions being based solely on what you value.
 
SE3 have been free from carriers or $99 for years now. If you’re trading it in, you’re pretty much getting your money back.

If you bought it full priced, that’s on you!
And I have no access to that. $100 is negligible for me in terms of buying an iPhone. I’d give you my 5c for that if you like, though…
 
  • Like
Reactions: jntdroid
Only sales numbers will determine whether the 16e was priced well or not.
 
For many people a phone is just a tool and not a prestige ego symbol. This is what the SE was perfect for.
Now, what used to be the SE, has been positioned as a value version of the mainstream iPhones. Compared to them fair priced, but possibly out of reach to the consumer on a budget. People face recession, stagnating incomes, higher energy prices and such. The lower end market might not be able to digest this price increase. However, as the mainstream shoppers face the same problems, the former Apple main product customers might downgrade to the 16e and find good bang for their buck. This is why for Apple it might still work financially.
I think Apple needs to cover the low end of the market as well, to ensure the iPhone will remain truly mainstream. Think children, parents, older people. Maybe something below is planned? It must be so easy to just relaunch last year's phones?
 
  • Like
Reactions: vvvvvv
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.