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4sallypat

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I relate the iUP program to car subscription lease like the Volvo - you turn it in when you want a change and voila - new model.

With this type of model, you have to get their "add on" such as Apple Care on your iUP subscription much like the Liberty insurance with a Volvo subscription.
 

BugeyeSTI

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I got on it when I upgraded to my X in 2017 with the intention of trading it in every year for the new device but I ended up loving my X and didn't see a reason to upgrade it so I'm still using it now almost 4 years later. I'm thinking I want a larger screen so we'll see if the 13 Pro Max checks all the boxes for me. If it does I'll definitely use the upgrade program again to purchase it.
 

MisterSavage

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I got on it when I upgraded to my X in 2017 with the intention of trading it in every year for the new device but I ended up loving my X and didn't see a reason to upgrade it so I'm still using it now almost 4 years later. I'm thinking I want a larger screen so we'll see if the 13 Pro Max checks all the boxes for me. If it does I'll definitely use the upgrade program again to purchase it.
I also like that you don't necessarily have to give your phone back. If you end up happy with what you've got then you just eventually own the phone.
 

4sallypat

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I also like that you don't necessarily have to give your phone back. If you end up happy with what you've got then you just eventually own the phone.
Yes but if you keep it after 24 months you would own it, but if you want to start another iUP contract, then you would apply with Citizen's again.

Not sure if they would do a HP or SP for a returning customer..
 

BugeyeSTI

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Yes but if you keep it after 24 months you would own it, but if you want to start another iUP contract, then you would apply with Citizen's again.

Not sure if they would do a HP or SP for a returning customer..
I bought the phone at an Apple store but went through the Verizon upgrade plan. It's slightly cheaper because you aren't required to use Applecare+ or Verizon's insurance plan and I've been a Verizon customer for over 20 years so no need for a credit check. Only downside is you have to haggle with Verizon CS to try and get the silly activation fee removed or reduced.
 

MuGeN PoWeR

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Yeah I know you get the 3% but forfeiting the trade in value is a huge penalty. For example someone upgrading from an 11 Pro Max to a 12 Pro Max would get a whopping $540 credit from Apple or over $700 for a good condition one on Swappa. That just entirely evaporates with iUP.


totally and you are forgetting you pay 12 months of payments and also Swappa is a total mess when it comes to selling the device. Its a hit or miss. I would sell it locally or trade it in to apple.
 
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MuGeN PoWeR

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Yes but if you keep it after 24 months you would own it, but if you want to start another iUP contract, then you would apply with Citizen's again.

Not sure if they would do a HP or SP for a returning customer..

no you dont have to apply again. its basically the same thing as you upgrade after 12 months.
 

BugeyeSTI

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I also like that you don't necessarily have to give your phone back. If you end up happy with what you've got then you just eventually own the phone.
My girlfriend is an avid iPhone upgrade fan as she always wants the latest greatest iPhone so I get to play with the newest version every year to see if it's worth it to me to upgrade. Honestly, I'm not a power user so I saw little difference over the years in day to day performance. Camera of course was better every year but performance wasn't a huge leap. When I went from my 6S to the X there was a difference but wasn't a huge leap, I really wanted a change in the form factor and interface and that was the main reason for the upgrade. FaceID was also a big factor as TouchID never worked well for me. I work with my hands and even 2nd gen TouchID would fail just as many times as it worked so FaceID was a game changer for me..
 

MisterSavage

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totally and you are forgetting you pay 12 months of payments and also Swappa is a total mess when it comes to selling the device. Its a hit or miss. I would sell it locally or trade it in to apple.
Yes, not having to deal with the hassle of selling the old phone is such a plus for me. Put the phone in a cardboard box, drop it in a Fedex drop box and I'm done. The convenience is worth losing some money for me.
 
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ilex27

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Yeah I know you get the 3% but forfeiting the trade in value is a huge penalty. For example someone upgrading from an 11 Pro Max to a 12 Pro Max would get a whopping $540 credit from Apple or over $700 for a good condition one on Swappa. That just entirely evaporates with iUP.
And there it is. I didn’t know I’d be forfeiting the trade-in value. I knew there would be a catch. I will just use my AppleCard and take the 3%. I am using that to pay for my M1 mini and I prefer it to the Citizens loan.

T H A N K Y O U
 

ggibson913

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I normally upgrade every two years, and will be ordering a 13 Pro Max as soon as they allow it. I was considering the annual upgrade program two years ago when I bought my 11 Pro Max but didn't. I am not hard on my phones and have either sold them on or traded them in. One time I bought the thing outright but with the 0% financing that Apple gives I just make those 24 payments. But it occurs to me that I will probably ALWAYS have that payment so why not get that new model every year? Is there something I am overlooking?

Good idea or APPLE HYPE?
I am going to try to answer the best I can. Upgrading every two years and using the IUP program costs the same amount of money (assuming you get Apple Care). The difference being that you will trade in your phone, every year for a new one. The bad part is you 100 percent always have a phone payment that will never stop. I traded my iPhone XS for an iPhone 11 on the iUP program and was actually able to save some on the monthly outlay without hassle. When the iPhone 12 came out, I wasn’t interested so I paid off my iPhone 11 (yes you can pay it off any time after three months I think).
I will be getting the iPhone 13 more so because my sister needs a new phone to replace her aging iPhone 6 than any desire to upgrade and will likely be going through the iPhone upgrade program to do it, though honestly I will likely pay it off during tax season.

All of that being said, the best way IMHO to purchase a new iPhone is to buy it outright.
 
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Glideslope

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just a small correction: there is no new account ding on your credit. its only the first time and after that its always a soft pull and doesnt show up on the credit report or affect the credit score!

The same applies if one is an iPhone Payment Plan user account with Citizens as well. First application is a Hard Pull. All future 24m payment plans are a Soft Pull.
 

4sallypat

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All of that being said, the best way IMHO to purchase a new iPhone is to buy it outright.
Agree - I have stopped using the iUP because I felt it was a revolving door of constant monthly payment (albeit at 0%) - like leasing a car.

Last time, I purchased a 12 Pro for my son in full (Amex MR) and my 12 Pro was put on the Apple Card (3% discount) and 0%.

Now we own the phones and can use it to trade in, hand down to relatives, etc...
 
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SisterBlue22

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And there it is. I didn’t know I’d be forfeiting the trade-in value. I knew there would be a catch. I will just use my AppleCard and take the 3%. I am using that to pay for my M1 mini and I prefer it to the Citizens loan.

T H A N K Y O U
No, you're not - you're guaranteed to get 50% of the phone's original price when you trade it in on the upgrade program. I don't know where people are missing this. Get a phone on the upgrade program...you can pay 24 months, which is the entire cost of the phone and own the phone outright. But, after only 12 payments, you can hand it back to Apple and get the new phone and start again. You're not forgoing any value - you're paying for half the phone, using it for a year, and trading it in. if you want to keep it instead of trading it in, finish your remaining 12 payments and you own the phone. For me, it's worth it to not have to deal with potential scammers on eBay and other sites. I used to sell to Swappa, and even thatis a pain in the butt. The upgrade program makes it all simple.
 

SisterBlue22

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Apr 29, 2015
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Yeah I know you get the 3% but forfeiting the trade in value is a huge penalty. For example someone upgrading from an 11 Pro Max to a 12 Pro Max would get a whopping $540 credit from Apple or over $700 for a good condition one on Swappa. That just entirely evaporates with iUP.
How do you figure? I think you're mixing up the Apple Upgrade Program with some of Apple's other "trade in for credit" options.

On the Upgrade Program, you can trade in your phone for the newer model after making 12 of the 24 payments, so you're guaranteed a trade in value of half the cost of the phone. It's not a dollar value like Apple's other trade in options, like if you trade in an old Apple Watch or iPad for a credit that's calculated based on the serial number of the device - it's literally forgoing half of the scheduled payments. The Apple Upgrade Program is not the same as the other options of trading in a phone you own outright for credit - it guarantees half the cost of the phone.

Now, could you possibly sell the phone on Swappa for more than what you paid? Sure, that's possible, but it's more of a hassle, at least for me, and I've done each method multiple times over the years.
 
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MuGeN PoWeR

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As a shareholder of AAPL, yes iPhone uprade program is worth it. Everybody here should replace their phones on a yearly basis at least. The same apply for watch, iPad, macs and AirPods ofc.

Many thanks,
Best regards
and being AAPL shareholder I do the same :D lead by example haha!
 

akash.nu

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May 26, 2016
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I wish it wasn’t a hard credit check with every upgrade in the U.K. akin to how it is in the USA. That’s the only thing that threw me off and I’ve stopped going on the upgrade program, otherwise it’s no brainer. I only got to know about this last year when I was looking to see what options I’ve got for the iPhone 12.
 
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ilex27

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I wish it wasn’t a hard credit check with every upgrade in the U.K. akin to how it is in the USA. That’s the only thing that threw me off and I’ve stopped going on the upgrade program, otherwise it’s no brainer. I only got to know about this last year when I was looking to see what options I’ve got for the iPhone 12.
My credit is stellar so this is not an issue for me like it may be for some
 

ilex27

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So to recap, if you like the phone you keep it as long as you like just as usual and make your 24 payments but you MUST BUY APPLECARE.

If you want to upgrade after only 12 payments you can hand it back and Apple forgives the other 12 and you begin a new contact starting at zero equity.

There is a soft credit inquiry when you begin each new agreement with Apple.

You may pay either Citizens or Apple Card.
 

MisterSavage

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Nov 10, 2018
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So to recap, if you like the phone you keep it as long as you like just as usual and make your 24 payments but you MUST BUY APPLECARE.

If you want to upgrade after only 12 payments you can hand it back and Apple forgives the other 12 and you begin a new contact starting at zero equity.

There is a soft credit inquiry when you begin each new agreement with Apple.

You may pay either Citizens or Apple Card.

There's also a certain amount of payments (I think 6) where you can then pay a penalty fee and get the latest and greatest phone if you REALLY want it without waiting until you hit the 12 payments.
 
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