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Is the new Mac Pro a failure?
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I doubt GoMac is a skater. I just want to know how he's utilizing the technology.
He seem to be very opinionated about needs. Based upon his posts he must be running 4K everything. I'd find it interesting to hear how the real pros are using 4k.
The way he was posting about needs and such should have been an easy response. What kind of 4K monitor u using? How many 4k cameras you running?
I'm starting to think I'm the one that's been trolled.
I'm starting to think I'm the one that's been trolled.
Wait I thought it was targeted at the exploding population of rich skater kids editing multicam with the oft-referenced "HD technology."
Now it's 4k? Or have the skaters upgraded to 4k?
Why hasn't your friend come back and tell us how the real pros are using it. I'd love to hear about those 4k monitors he must be running. Same thing as to how many 4k cameras he's got streaming. Who's actually buying 4k work anyways? Where's it being used?
I'm not interested in "my friend". I'm interested in your having moved the goal posts. My "friend" is irrelevant.
Huh?
I don't think the Pixar guys are complaining about cost either... I'm not sure where you're going here? Is this another attempt to get at me apparently not making enough money? Getting old.
I'm waiting on an Apple 4k display. I don't mind the gloss and I'm quietly hoping they pixel double the current one. Of course, I think you're probably going to misunderstand why I need 4k. I'm ok with that.
If anything, I'm saying people need a lot less hardware than they think they do. The Mac Pro is seriously not optimized for consumer apps. The 780 card in the iMac outperforms the D700. If you've got an app that just needs a ton of VRAM, or you have a problem that scales to very high core counts, the Mac Pro will start to shine, but for 1080p, there's a good chance an iMac could outperform it on a lot of things.
What I'm saying is you seem to be coming at this from the perspective that a more expensive machine will outperform a cheaper machine, and I know that's not always true, especially in the case of the Mac Pro. I'm just advocating being smart.
A Mac Pro is a tool for me, and a tax write-off. I don't really care about cost, I care about what's going to work best. Most people I know aren't impressed by throwing around a machine's price tag. If that works for you, great. But for most everyone here, the discussion is going to be about what tools work best.
Is there a pent up market for consumers buying the Mac Pro? I haven't seen it. If it's there, it's a bunch of people being misguided.
Mine's a tax write-off as well. I write software so I consider myself really savvy. What are doing with 4k work again? Who you selling this technology too? Who buys it? Do you own a nMP? Do you own a 4k camera?
Given this what makes you more qualified to comment on video work than goMac who, from what I can tell, at least works in the industry under discussion?
Odd statement, since Pixar is Red Hat Linux and CUDA-focused.
The Apple MP6,1 doesn't even come close to what Pixar is using.
http://www.redsharknews.com/technol...-cuda-acceleration-for-near-realtime-lighting
See a great keynote demo of Pixar's animation tools at Nvidia's GPUTech Conference . There are some amazing scenes of much faster than real time rendering, and a really interesting look behind the scenes at Pixar. In particular, start at about 19:30 into the video for the "Dean Hardscrabble" demo. Amazing glimpse at what 5K CUDA cores can do.
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Why don't you explain to me the business of 4k? Who's buying 4k footage and why? Where's it really relevant? All you guys seem to know is that 1080p and multicam is old and not at all the focus of nMP users. Doesn't really sound like either of you own one piece of 4k equipment.
I bet I've been talking to wedding photographers the whole time. Read a tech magazine about thunderbolt channels and all of a sudden you're a hardware engineer.
Yes and no. Yes, because of a laundry list of GPU related items. No, because of that f*ckin' awesome design and engineering.
And in answer to this:
From the Ars review:
"The top lip of the new Mac Pro makes a very good handle for carrying it, and it's a hell of a lot lighter than [the oMP]."
So the answer to my question is: Nothing makes you more qualified than goMac to speak on this topic.Why don't you explain to me the business of 4k? Who's buying 4k footage and why? Where's it really relevant? All you guys seem to know is that 1080p and multicam is old and not at all the focus of nMP users. Doesn't really sound like either of you own one piece of 4k equipment.
I bet I've been talking to wedding photographers the whole time. Read a tech magazine about thunderbolt channels and all of a sudden you're a hardware engineer.
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That doesn't make it a handle. Therefore it wasn't designed to be portable.
It more or less depends if the cover latch was designed to frequently support the entire weight of the can.
That's probably not the case, so there's a chance that at some point you'll pick it up by the shell - and the latch will fail and the main part will fall onto the floor. Probably not with happy results.
Just because something can be used as a handle doesn't mean it was designed to be a handle. This sounds like splitting hairs but the claim was the nMP was designed to be portable. Therefore if it was designed to be portable it should have been designed with a handle.
I know this argument is being made for rhetorical effect, and not being advanced as a serious position, but it's worth pointing out that the lip of the opening at the top of the new Mac Pro is designed double as a handle, and functions a much better that way than the sharp-edged handles on the old Mac Pro.
Edit: I see I've been beaten to this point, so I'll contribute by linking to this early NYT review. It's pretty clear Apple explicitly told the reviewer that lip is designed to be used as handle; this isn't just a convenient coincidence.
Edit 2: In fact, yes, the machine's user guide (which I had no idea existed, despite having owned one for six months) says "The curved edge on top is meant to be used as a handle."
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There's an app for that!
You can put those that in your opinion are unworthy of participating in the conversation on your ignore list.
You can put those that in your opinion are unworthy of participating in the conversation on your ignore list.
That's totally wrong. I owned 3 of oMP's, all of them pretty loud.
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Nobody, I mean nobody is going to buy this for its small size. And only a few will buy this for the TB technology, today. People buy this because this is the most powerful Mac out there. The same reason they bought the old Mac Pro.
My 5,1 Mac Pro, even with the fans speeded up a bit because I'm using 2 CPUs with 130 TDP, is pretty quiet. My 3,1 was also quiet.
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