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Is the new Mac Pro a failure?

Is the new Mac Pro a Failure for traditional Mac Creative and Professional customers

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flat five said:
i know this won't register well with you but i wish you would try to believe what i'm going to say.. it's 100% true.

i do not care if my computers use nvidia or amd.

i've alternated between ati/amd and nvidia throughout the entire time i've used computers.. there is not a single difference from my user POV that has me differentiating between the two.

it's exactly the same as if my hard drive were made by seagate or w.d.. there is no difference.


that you continually use this amd vs nvidia type of bs against me.. or imply that i'm even in the slightest, secretly making decisions based off amd or nvidia -- is just ridiculous if you were to ever actually understand me.

again.

i do not care if my computers use nvidia or amd.



look, d00d

you're doing the same freaking thing as i said earlier.. completely making up arguments for your other self to argue against and concluding you have proved me wrong.. what you're saying i'm doing/have done is pure fiction coming solely from that thing you refer to as your brain.. nowhere else.


i am not going to engage in another word of conversation with you until you show me you're making an effort to improve the way you and i communicate.

i've tried man.. i've tried to open avenues that you and i could possibly find some sort of common ground or respect to stand on and it's simply not working.. it takes two people to make that happen.

either put the effort in or no longer expect any of my time.
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How can you possibly not care whether you have an nVidia or AMD when the qualitative differences could not be more pronounced at the moment. Maybe in 6, 12, or 18 months the companies' respective card offerings might be competitive enough to warrant debate because things can always change, but right now there is no contest. nVidia GPUs utterly spank AMD across the board, particularly in the tightly packed cases of an Apple computer where nVidia's superior power and heat management really shines. You may not care about power usage and heat production in your workstation, but you should when nVidia is so clearly superior.
 
flehman said:
How can you possibly not care whether you have an nVidia or AMD when the qualitative differences could not be more pronounced at the moment. Maybe in 6, 12, or 18 months the companies' respective card offerings might be competitive enough to warrant debate because things can always change, but right now there is no contest. nVidia GPUs utterly spank AMD across the board, particularly in the tightly packed cases of an Apple computer where nVidia's superior power and heat management really shines. You may not care about power usage and heat production in your workstation, but you should when nVidia is so clearly superior.
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if i understand you correctly, you're telling me i could blind taste test you with gpus and you'll be able to tell me if there's an amd gpu inside the computer or nvidia or intel gpu... is that right?
 
flat five said:
if i understand you correctly, you're telling me i could blind taste test you with gpus and you'll be able to tell me if there's an amd gpu inside the computer or nvidia or intel gpu... is that right?
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Easy test - run a CUDA-based app. ;)

(Just ordered six more Titan-X cards to go into three 24-core 512 GiB Haswell-EP servers... Enjoy your 7970s....)
 
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flat five said:
if i understand you correctly, you're telling me i could blind taste test you with gpus and you'll be able to tell me if there's an amd gpu inside the computer or nvidia or intel gpu... is that right?
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Your inspired suggestion that we play a game of "pin the tail on the benchmark" is a red herring (i.e. Changing the subject). I stated that nVidia is vastly superior in terms of power draw and heat production. The difference is self-evident from any 5-minute comparison of specs and is sufficiently pronounced that a blind taste test is unnecessary. AMD's offerings continue to worsen as the only way they can improve performance is by overclocking an aging architecture.

So no, I would rather make a decision with my eyes open based on clearly discernible facts instead of take your kool-aid challenge.
 
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flehman said:
(i.e. Changing the subject)
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no, i'm actually talking exactly about the subject.. in fact, i'm the one who started the subject.

""i've alternated between ati/amd and nvidia throughout the entire time i've used computers.. there is not a single difference from my user POV that has me differentiating between the two.""


it's possible you've misinterpreted what i said in the post of mine that you quoted.. i understand these things can happen online.

so i ask you to re-read what you've quoted me as saying in an effort to better understand what i said.


but whatever you do, realize this.. if i say:

"if i understand you correctly, you're telling me i could blind taste test you with gpus and you'll be able to tell me if there's an amd gpu inside the computer or nvidia or intel gpu... is that right?"

...that i'm speaking exactly about the subject
 
flat five said:
no, i'm actually talking exactly about the subject..
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The "subject" is whether the MP6,1 is a failure for Apple's traditional creative pro market. The voting consistently has been saying "yes, it's a failure" from the beginning.

You can't move the goalposts somewhere else.

On the other hand, I hear that HP and Dell's workstation groups think that the MP6,1 is a resounding success (for them).
 
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AidenShaw said:
The "subject" is whether the MP6,1 is a failure for Apple's traditional creative pro market. The voting consistently has been saying "yes, it's a failure" from the beginning.

You can't move the goalposts somewhere else.
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that's the topic.

dude quoted me as saying something.. and directly responded to me about it..
that's the subject between he and i.

if you want to talk to me about that post then feel free.. if you want to play thread nanny then use the report button.
 
flat five said:
no, i'm actually talking exactly about the subject.. in fact, i'm the one who started the subject.

""i've alternated between ati/amd and nvidia throughout the entire time i've used computers.. there is not a single difference from my user POV that has me differentiating between the two.""


it's possible you've misinterpreted what i said in the post of mine that you quoted.. i understand these things can happen online.

so i ask you to re-read what you've quoted me as saying in an effort to better understand what i said.


but whatever you do, realize this.. if i say:

"if i understand you correctly, you're telling me i could blind taste test you with gpus and you'll be able to tell me if there's an amd gpu inside the computer or nvidia or intel gpu... is that right?"

...that i'm speaking exactly about the subject
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Your original quote referred to switching between AMD and nVidia cards over many years. Historically there have been periods where one manufacturer or the other was making better product, or when they were making very competitive products. That quote is not at all relevant to my statement that RIGHT NOW there is no competition. None whatsoever. AMD is pushing out garbage that cannot compete with nVidia. THEN you said that you don't care which GPU is in your computer, present tense, which is where I challenged you. If you can't differentiate between them and wouldn't know the difference, that is your problem and you are the one wearing the blindfold.
 
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AidenShaw said:
I'm sure that you meant to say "between him and me"....
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It's OK don't waste your breath...the trolls have eaten enough tonight. If the guy really doesn't perceive a difference between an nVidia and an AMD in today's GPU market then there is no helping him. It's like arguing with a dining room table.
 
flat five said:
or "me and him".. that would work also as a means for me to say exactly what i meant to say.
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The problem is that your proud disregard for the English language and its rules and syntax means that often whatever you say is not what you "meant to say".

Don't take this as personal criticism, but many of your posts are bizarre, unparseable tangents that are painful to try to understand. Capitalization, punctuation and noun-verb agreement would go a long way towards fixing that.

Grammar is your friend.
 
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flehman said:
It's OK don't waste your breath...the trolls have eaten enough tonight. If the guy really doesn't perceive a difference between an nVidia and an AMD in today's GPU market then there is no helping him. It's like arguing with a dining room table.
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The show Greater Tuna (http://www.greatertunavisitorscenter.com/greater/) used the phrase "like arguing with a turnip" - which is even better. Tables are much smarter than root vegetables.

Or maybe it was "like talking to a turnip" - which many of these posts seem to be.
 
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flehman said:
That quote is not at all relevant to my statement that RIGHT NOW there is no competition. None whatsoever. AMD is pushing out garbage that cannot compete with nVidia.
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if you're interested in sorting this out in an effort to neutralize the tension here, then you will be able to since i am interested in doing that.

our 'disagreement' stems from what's evident in the above..

i suspect you are correct in your statement.. i am not, and was not, trying to tell you you're wrong.. i am not arguing with what you have said.

the problem is this.. you're talking about a competition, that while it may exist, is not a universal competition.
..but, i'm not interested in the competition..i judge hardware on a completely different type of competition than you do..

i decide what's best for me based on what it's like to use the tool.
i understand your criteria is completely different.. when it's time for you to decide what's best for you, then it's perfectly acceptable for you to base off different things.

the post you originally quoted me could also of been said ala "i'm not interested in gpu competition (specs/benchmarks/etc)".

will one outperform the other in my daily use? no.. if i specifically opt for amd, will i notice any difference at all in my work ?
no, i won't.. so i don't concern myself with it.. it doesn't matter to me.

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so, regardless of whether or not you think usage should be #1 priority (and #2... and 3 ;) ) --
or, regardless of whether or not i think specs and benchmarks are the ultimate say in what's 'best'..

do you think (like i do) that we are talking about (basically) completely different things and that they're both perfectly valid reasons for each of us?
 
He is, as usual, using semantics to avoid speaking anything anti-Apple.

Fact is if he had an AMD GPU in his iMac he could turn off the furnace in Flat Five. There is a multi-page thread about how the newer iMacs sound like hair dryers when theirAMD GPUs cross over 105C at which point the clocks drop and the fan ramps up to avoid meltdown.

They discovered that OSX allows higher temps and uses lower fan speeds than Windows. Jony and the boys have sold future of those iMacs off in order to keep them thin and quiet. (Form being better than function) One repair facility alone reports more than 50 repairs to melted GPUs.

Go to EBay and search for "AMD 7950" and "GTX680". Sort by low price and you will find upwards of a dozen "as is" 7950s vs 1 or 2 dead 680s. They are dropping like flies. Fortunately Apple down clocked the Dxxx cards HEAVILY so they may last a few months longer.

Oh, he'd know if he had an AMD all right.
 
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aiden.. wannagetta quick 200 jeopardy style?
here:

Someone who believes it's their duty to attempt to correct any grammar and/or spelling mistakes they observe. Usually found hanging around Irc chatrooms hounding "n00bs".

?
 
AidenShaw said:
No - I'm trying to give you positive feedback that you might have more luck with your arguments if you make them in English.
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i don't care about 'winning' here enough for me to change my typing style.. it's comfortable and fast and fun.

that said, i wouldn't be against you proofreading/editing any of my statements or arguments that you feel may have some backing behind it, or one that's evident to you as going to be interpreted as something much different than the thought which triggered the statement.. if you could put it into a more formal or proper and easily understood format, i'd appreciate it.
 
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