I live in one of the most expensive countries in the world. My MacBook Pro in my currency cost me over $6000
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MP 7,1 Is the new Mac Pro too expensive? [MERGED]
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I live in one of the most expensive countries in the world. My MacBook Pro in my currency cost me over $6000
This forum is incredible.
I don’t know what’s happened to this place in the last decade plus but it’s amazing how unenjoyable it is now. There’s no empathy, there’s no attempt to see things from other perspectives.
There is just endless defense of everything Apple does.
I will move along…
I’m glad everyone is thrilled with the new Mac Pro and the pricing…
For those of you that can afford it, please do enjoy - truly.
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Fair enough, thanks for adding your data point
I don’t know what’s happened to this place in the last decade plus but it’s amazing how unenjoyable it is now. There’s no empathy, there’s no attempt to see things from other perspectives.
There is just endless defense of everything Apple does.
I will move along…
I’m glad everyone is thrilled with the new Mac Pro and the pricing…
For those of you that can afford it, please do enjoy - truly.
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Fair enough, thanks for adding your data point
Yes the pricing is high and yeah I agree there is a market for a non Mac Pro tower but that beast does not exist.
And you could just buy (in Europe) a Ford Transit, Renault Master or Fiat Ducato for half the money.
But somehow when I am the Autobahn all those companies that have to drive longer distances to reach customers either drive Mercedes or VW (and up until recently the Sprinter and Crafter were the same van).
There is a reason for that. I have never heard any good things said about the reliability of the ford transit van.
It’s like the Toyota hiace van down here. They get used by damn near everyone because they are damn near unstoppable.
What you are seeing is way more positive than what I saw. Up until this Mac Pro all I saw was the exact opposite. In fact for an apple forum this place was the most negative anti apple place on the internet. It was actually depressing.
So, to summarise:
1.) If you’re a film/animation/audio/science business/university and going to invest in a new Mac Pro, you’re looking at the $15-30k spec and prepared to pay for it.
2.) If you’ve been with Apple since the IIe and want a “real apple computer”, you’re as out of luck as you already have been for quite some time.
Both sides of the argument are valid. The Powermacs and 1-5 Mac Pros all started at consumer pricepoints.
I am excited that Apple is “back in the game”. The new product is marvelous. They listened to the professional users and delivered. Simultaneously, I am disapointed that they didn’t throw a bone and announce an Intel core version for sub $3k. Maybe, in two years time, they might?
1.) If you’re a film/animation/audio/science business/university and going to invest in a new Mac Pro, you’re looking at the $15-30k spec and prepared to pay for it.
2.) If you’ve been with Apple since the IIe and want a “real apple computer”, you’re as out of luck as you already have been for quite some time.
Both sides of the argument are valid. The Powermacs and 1-5 Mac Pros all started at consumer pricepoints.
I am excited that Apple is “back in the game”. The new product is marvelous. They listened to the professional users and delivered. Simultaneously, I am disapointed that they didn’t throw a bone and announce an Intel core version for sub $3k. Maybe, in two years time, they might?
This - completely.
I just wish and hope they'll offer a non-xeon MP that can start much lower and open up the product line to a much much wider user base.
Spot on - I was just about to post the same thing.
However, I would also add that you've made your same point what seems like over and over again... and frankly, you've kind of passed the point into righteousness (it's like you've been to one too many life-coach seminars
).The ROI is a valid point for a niche set of users... but you're just antagonizing the 90% of MP users who wanted a headless desktop at a similar price to the previous MP's and the ROI will never work because their usage is not dependent on generating the income from it that would pay for it. (and yes, those folks will whine endlessly about that too here - see your point about forums above)
Folks have been begging for this for a decade. I don't see anything about the computing landscape has changed to suggest they'd go in that direction - if anything, less incentive than ever. It has little to do with the market, as some people mistakenly claim. While desktops have been on a downward trend for the past decade, worldwide desktop shipments are still expected in the 90 million units range this year. Apple just isn't interested in headless desktop towers - they see the iMac/mini as the "solution" - that's their philosophy and they appear to be sticking to it.
However, I never in a million years thought they were going to make an exclusively super-high-end super-upgradeable/expandable tower with tons of cores, slots & RAM for the 2% niche, so I've been wrong before.
But I would still peg the chances at close to zero (unfortunately).
I know it’s tough being a MP user. I still have my 2011 MP 5,1 and two 30” ACDs. I am considering upgrading them and hanging for couple years and eventually get the announced machines as refurbished possibly or just save the money to buy them outright. Yep it sucks.
I am a professional motion graphics guy and while the announced machines are fantastic for my job, they are just priced too high since the base model, I would need at least around another $2/3k in additional RAM, storage and GPU to make it suitable for my needs. And I am not even thinking of the XDR display.
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I see lot of people talking about the fact that this Mac Pro is not for meant for an average user and most of the people discussing the price are the one who are not gonna buy it anyway. I think that's true, but I also think that the Mac Pro used to be a computer that (surprisingly) quite lot of people could afford. At least the base configuration. You paid like $3000 + $1000 for a monitor and you got a good computer. Not the best value for the money in terms of specs, but a good upgradable computer.
But the specs of the current base $6000 MP are not good. You can clearly see they have added like $2000 to the price just to not ruin the iMac Pro sales. They don't wanted to create modular Mac, so they launched an overpriced base configuration and the people who are looking for a $4000-6000 Mac (which is the price the creatives around me are willing to pay for a good computer) rather buy non-modular iMac Pro, because it's a better value in that price range. This Mac Pro is a computer for those who are gonna spend $10000+, because that will be the min. price for a "usable" configuration. I don't say the base one is not usable, but for half the price you can get similary powerful iMac.
So yes, it's expensive.
But the specs of the current base $6000 MP are not good. You can clearly see they have added like $2000 to the price just to not ruin the iMac Pro sales. They don't wanted to create modular Mac, so they launched an overpriced base configuration and the people who are looking for a $4000-6000 Mac (which is the price the creatives around me are willing to pay for a good computer) rather buy non-modular iMac Pro, because it's a better value in that price range. This Mac Pro is a computer for those who are gonna spend $10000+, because that will be the min. price for a "usable" configuration. I don't say the base one is not usable, but for half the price you can get similary powerful iMac.
So yes, it's expensive.
To put this into another perspective, when the last Mac Pro was introduced in 2013, the economy was in the tail end of a recession. The economy is in better shape now. Look at the prices of desirable used cars (classic/collectible, etc) cars. Some of them have tripled in value since 2013. So I think the market looks good for the higher price. If it doesn't sell well then maybe there'll be a price reduction next year.
The pricing is way too low.
The target market for these would seem to accept even a 50k base price for a machine like this.
The target market for these would seem to accept even a 50k base price for a machine like this.
As it is I have three options on where to go next.
1 Build a threadripper / core i9 machine and go with windows (to hell with apple)
2 Fully loaded mac mini with an vega 64 in a egpu or
3 Bite the bullet, wait to next year while I save another 4k up and get the base 7.1
Mind you still neeed to wait anyway to see really how upgadeable the beast really is
Will the cpu really be upgradable or locked in with some custom apple firmware ?
Can I change the ssd blades for bigger ones ?
Alot will be answered for me when ifixit get hold of a 7.1
Sorry I might sound a little paranoid but my next decision comming is a big one.
1 Build a threadripper / core i9 machine and go with windows (to hell with apple)
2 Fully loaded mac mini with an vega 64 in a egpu or
3 Bite the bullet, wait to next year while I save another 4k up and get the base 7.1
Mind you still neeed to wait anyway to see really how upgadeable the beast really is
Will the cpu really be upgradable or locked in with some custom apple firmware ?
Can I change the ssd blades for bigger ones ?
Alot will be answered for me when ifixit get hold of a 7.1
Sorry I might sound a little paranoid but my next decision comming is a big one.
You seem to be unable to use the internet to find out what the components in this machine cost, and what comparable products from other companies cost. Why don't you go do your homework and then come back, instead of making endless, ridiculous straw-man arguments that don't prove any sort of point.
Some here also seem to be forgetting that Xeon CPUs and especially GPUs are even more expensive relative to consumer parts than they were when even the 2012 5,1 was released. It's just different now. SSDs are also still more expensive than spinning disks, and TB is more expensive than USB or Firewire. The bar is set higher now, simple as that. There's nothing to "justify" - it's simply math.
Lol
Umm. - what?
I’m saying the bar isn’t set high enough!
What “ridiculous straw man arguments” am I making?
Did you mean to quote and reply to someone else?
What you said to me doesn’t make any sense based upon what you quoted
However, I would also add that you've made your same point what seems like over and over again... and frankly, you've kind of passed the point into righteousness (it's like you've been to one too many life-coach seminars
Haha never been to a life coach seminar but I do agree with a lot of what those types of people say. I have Aspergers syndrome so my personality/reality is completely warped.