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MP 7,1 Is the new Mac Pro too expensive? [MERGED]
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Yes but the hardware in the new Mac Pro is on another level compared to the 2006 machine. This machine is aimed at the high end workstation market.
of course it is totally overpriced.
if you think in performance/price only, you'll get the double if you buy a windows pc.
the big question is:
can you save money by upgrading it on your own with standard components?
i'm 100% sure the 28-core version will be more than 15k
but if you buy an W-3175X for 3200$ you end up with $5999+3200$ = 9200$
same thing for storage and memory.
thing is: for 10k you get a 2x18core, 64gb, 2080ti 11gb machine
and you can still upgrade it to 2x28core in some years when the cpu prices have dropped.
this alone saves you thousands of $, while with this pro you'll be most likely stuck,
because apple won't upgrade it again for 10 yrs. (maybe never, who knows)
if you think in performance/price only, you'll get the double if you buy a windows pc.
the big question is:
can you save money by upgrading it on your own with standard components?
i'm 100% sure the 28-core version will be more than 15k
but if you buy an W-3175X for 3200$ you end up with $5999+3200$ = 9200$
same thing for storage and memory.
thing is: for 10k you get a 2x18core, 64gb, 2080ti 11gb machine
and you can still upgrade it to 2x28core in some years when the cpu prices have dropped.
this alone saves you thousands of $, while with this pro you'll be most likely stuck,
because apple won't upgrade it again for 10 yrs. (maybe never, who knows)
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Hi all,
The 2019 Mac Pro which was previewed at the WWDC is quite interesting, both in terms of design and specs.
Although I applaud Apple's decision to return to a "tower" design as opposed to using a ridiculous "stack / Lego" design, it looks quite ugly. Of course, "function over form" is the important thing in a pro-level workstation. However, is it not possible to have function and form? The industrial design of the 2019 Mac Pro is hideous, in my opinion. It's like having the performance of a Porsche in the body of a cheap Cube (car). Nevertheless, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The specs are quite good (not exceptional) and there is plenty of room for expandability.
However, the price is beyond the reach of the vast majority of people. $6000 USD (not including tax) for the baseline model is way too much even for the serious Mac enthusiast / prosumer, of which I am one.
I can admire the 2019 Mac Pro from a distance, but I'll just keep plugging away on my Mac Pro 6.1 (2103) cylinder for serious work. I actually really like my Mac cylinder and it's been very reliable. For games, I've long ago abandoned Apple. For that, I use my Windows machine (which cost $1000 USD) and would match (in single-core benchmarks) the $6000 2019 Mac Pro baseline model (in single-core benchmarks).
The 2019 Mac Pro which was previewed at the WWDC is quite interesting, both in terms of design and specs.
Although I applaud Apple's decision to return to a "tower" design as opposed to using a ridiculous "stack / Lego" design, it looks quite ugly. Of course, "function over form" is the important thing in a pro-level workstation. However, is it not possible to have function and form? The industrial design of the 2019 Mac Pro is hideous, in my opinion. It's like having the performance of a Porsche in the body of a cheap Cube (car). Nevertheless, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The specs are quite good (not exceptional) and there is plenty of room for expandability.
However, the price is beyond the reach of the vast majority of people. $6000 USD (not including tax) for the baseline model is way too much even for the serious Mac enthusiast / prosumer, of which I am one.
I can admire the 2019 Mac Pro from a distance, but I'll just keep plugging away on my Mac Pro 6.1 (2103) cylinder for serious work. I actually really like my Mac cylinder and it's been very reliable. For games, I've long ago abandoned Apple. For that, I use my Windows machine (which cost $1000 USD) and would match (in single-core benchmarks) the $6000 2019 Mac Pro baseline model (in single-core benchmarks).
Each year I set aside money for the next model. This time, i've been stashing since early 2014. Put me down as a purchase.
[doublepost=1559638219][/doublepost]Just found the receipt from my 2008 purchase.
Mac Pro 2.8 8CX/2x1G/320/2600XT/SD $2,799.00
Apple Care $249.00
Apple RAM 2GB 667Mhz DDR2 (2x 1GB) $500.00
Apple Drive Module 1TB SATA $549.00
[doublepost=1559638219][/doublepost]Just found the receipt from my 2008 purchase.
Mac Pro 2.8 8CX/2x1G/320/2600XT/SD $2,799.00
Apple Care $249.00
Apple RAM 2GB 667Mhz DDR2 (2x 1GB) $500.00
Apple Drive Module 1TB SATA $549.00
All you had to do was look at the pricing of the other current Macs to know that this thing wasn't going to be cheap. Anyone who did expect it to be cheap were delusional.
Other than cost and maybe aesthetics, I haven't seen any complaints about the new Mac Pro, so it appears Apple did it right. They gave the pros more than what they asked for.
There hasn't been any direct one-to-one comparisons with offerings from guys like HP and Dell because which of them have custom, backward compatible PCI-e slots that offer enough bus power to drive dual Vega video cards or offer Afterburner cards?
At least the older mac Pros where in reach of many home power users/professionals, this thing
has priced them out of that market.
Mac Pro $6000 (£4744)
Monitor $5000 (£3953) I have never had an Apple desktop monitor last (that includes IMacs), all
have developed issues.
Monitor matte finish $1000 (£790) If required of coarse, which it will be.
Then to add insult to injury the Monitor Stand $1000 (£790)
Just to put this into perspective, for the price of the stand alone I can buy a reasonable gaming PC.
has priced them out of that market.
Mac Pro $6000 (£4744)
Monitor $5000 (£3953) I have never had an Apple desktop monitor last (that includes IMacs), all
have developed issues.
Monitor matte finish $1000 (£790) If required of coarse, which it will be.
Then to add insult to injury the Monitor Stand $1000 (£790)
Just to put this into perspective, for the price of the stand alone I can buy a reasonable gaming PC.
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Don't forget to tack on another grand for the matte option on the monitor...
Base is overpriced.
5 grand gets you a decent computer. The processor is fairly new. RAM is a bit light at 32 GB. It ought to be 64 GB, especially when prices are low and will continue to fall for another couple years. The Afterburner card isn't anything special. RED have something similar for their RED camera footage in their proprietary format. Video card is a joke. Mid to high end configs should be better.
Wrong processor. Apple are using the Xeon-W 3223.
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...on-w-3223-processor-16-5m-cache-3-50-ghz.html
Refer to the Apple specs page. Don't go by just cores, base and turbo speeds. Other factors are more important and reveal the architecture of the mystery chip. Apple can be dumb, but they're not going to use a 2+ year old processor for the base system. Furthermore, pro hardware is pro hardware, but Apple are probably paying 30-40% list price because they buy in volume and are an Intel partner.
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Don't see the problem with PCIe 4. Intel would need to provide the chipset material to Apple to use it. They don't plan on introducing PCIe 4 until Sapphire Rapids comes online in enterprise land. There's a handful of LAUNCH products to go with X570's new PCIe 4 support. Besides, when Intel does introduce PCIe 4, they'll have a chipset shrink to curb power use and not require a fan to cool down the chipset during high I/O.
Yeah, RAM is dirt cheap now. I regret having paid full price in 2014 for 64 GB...
5 grand gets you a decent computer. The processor is fairly new. RAM is a bit light at 32 GB. It ought to be 64 GB, especially when prices are low and will continue to fall for another couple years. The Afterburner card isn't anything special. RED have something similar for their RED camera footage in their proprietary format. Video card is a joke. Mid to high end configs should be better.
Wrong processor. Apple are using the Xeon-W 3223.
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...on-w-3223-processor-16-5m-cache-3-50-ghz.html
Refer to the Apple specs page. Don't go by just cores, base and turbo speeds. Other factors are more important and reveal the architecture of the mystery chip. Apple can be dumb, but they're not going to use a 2+ year old processor for the base system. Furthermore, pro hardware is pro hardware, but Apple are probably paying 30-40% list price because they buy in volume and are an Intel partner.
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Bry, I usually agree with your criticisms of Apple but let's be real here. The video card is trash, that's a given. Can't really compare TR to Xeon outside of performance. Xeon's going to be more reliable with its ECC ram for mission critical work. TR can do ECC, but at a lower bit correction than a native ECC system. Epyc is just expensive to get in. Though the upcoming 60 core Rome processor is probably going to be under $9,000 which is cheap if you think about it.
Don't see the problem with PCIe 4. Intel would need to provide the chipset material to Apple to use it. They don't plan on introducing PCIe 4 until Sapphire Rapids comes online in enterprise land. There's a handful of LAUNCH products to go with X570's new PCIe 4 support. Besides, when Intel does introduce PCIe 4, they'll have a chipset shrink to curb power use and not require a fan to cool down the chipset during high I/O.
Yeah, RAM is dirt cheap now. I regret having paid full price in 2014 for 64 GB...
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The older Mac Pros (not including the black dustbin) were for the Pro market but were priced in such a way that they where in reach for the power home user/professional as well who wanted a modular powerful machine.
Many of those home power/professional users have been priced out of the market with this release.
Yes Apple products have always cost that bit more but under Tim Cook Apple has become a money grabbing
beast, my Apple phone went the other year and I do not miss it, next it seems will be my Apple computers when
they finally give up and die or no longer can be used for my purpose.
Goodbye Apple it was a great fun ride while it lasted.
Just off to see what I can buy PC wise for the cost of two new Mac Pro monitor stands.
Many of those home power/professional users have been priced out of the market with this release.
Yes Apple products have always cost that bit more but under Tim Cook Apple has become a money grabbing
beast, my Apple phone went the other year and I do not miss it, next it seems will be my Apple computers when
they finally give up and die or no longer can be used for my purpose.
Goodbye Apple it was a great fun ride while it lasted.
Just off to see what I can buy PC wise for the cost of two new Mac Pro monitor stands.
He might be telling the truth. 4K same day cutting and editing is very, very niche. There's not a lot of fields that need such high quality that fast.
is this the right one?
Intel Xeon W-3175X Processor
$3,078.49
- Processor Manufacturer: Intel
- Processor Core: Octacosa-core (28 Core)
- Clock Speed: 3.10 GHz
- Overclocking Speed: 3.80 GHz
- Direct Media Interface: 8 GT/s
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If you think that price is high you should price a Flanders Scientific SDI reference monitor. An easy way to spend $35,000
The medium format camera I want to buy for my business costs even more than that. If I wanted to get into cinema grade video stuff man you have to be sitting down to read those prices.
The medium format camera I want to buy for my business costs even more than that. If I wanted to get into cinema grade video stuff man you have to be sitting down to read those prices.
I think there's some impressive technology in the Mac Pro and that doesn't come cheap, yet wth that said, I think this is the very definition of apple tax. I'd say its too expensive.
Go price out a phase one camera or a Red cinema camera, or even the colour accurate reference monitors that get used at that level of workflow than get back to me on the price of this computer.
Agree with all of that.
Thing is I want encryption, (built in), and the only reliable route to that is with a newer Mac. I never thought I would but I might just get the last of the Trashcans, after that I'll be looking at Linux or Windows.
I don't think M$ Office is available for Linux so probably Windows.
But that's not the only pro audience. Where is the expandable mid-range tower? The Mac mini and the iMac (pro) are no options.
What's your point? Those being a rip off doesn't stop this being a rip off.
True but I read the Xeon CPU in the new machine costs near $2000 alone, the old Mac Pros were not on the same level as the new machines. A similar spec HP Z6 cost 6k as well. The iMac and iMac pro are now aimed at the price point of the old Mac Pros.
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If you know how to build and don't need ECC ram, this isn't worth it at all unless you really want MacOS