The only thing I don’t like about the new Mac Pro are the feet. Lol. The price is actually competitive for its specs. If you want something less get a iMac Pro, MAC Mini or get a PC.
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MP 7,1 Is the new Mac Pro too expensive? [MERGED]
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And again I ask, is it different from every Powermac/Mac Pro that came before it (except the trashcan)?
Here is the Powermac G5 Intro video:
It was always all about power. Still the price remained around $1999-$2999
Prices have increased since 2006, if you take inflation into account the price of the new Mac Pro is not to far off. The new Mac Pro is also a grade above and clearly aimed at the very high end of the market, people who purchase these machines would make the money back in a few jobs, not to mention claiming the machine on tax etc.
I am sure you will keep new Mac Pro much longer than iMac Pro. All parts will be upgrade-able (looks like even CPU can be replaced). You still see people cringing to old Mac Pro 1,1-3,1. How long do you think you can use current iMac Pro with limited upgrade pathway?
That base model hard drive and GPU could do with a rethink, that said it's not due out until fall and Navi is on the horizon. Maybe it gets a new option between now and then.
For the rest it seems okay. Would have liked a slightly lower specced entry model. But the bottom line is that I don't really need this sort of horse power anymore. Back in the day, when I did, I would have been able to cover the cost of this in 2-3 jobs. These days a Windows box and a Mac mini look like the setup for me. Shame that I can't do it all from one machine, but that's the way it goes.
For the rest it seems okay. Would have liked a slightly lower specced entry model. But the bottom line is that I don't really need this sort of horse power anymore. Back in the day, when I did, I would have been able to cover the cost of this in 2-3 jobs. These days a Windows box and a Mac mini look like the setup for me. Shame that I can't do it all from one machine, but that's the way it goes.
Anyone complaining about prices should check out the more or less equivalent Dell:
https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...spd/precision-7920-workstation/XCTOPT7920US_4
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I love the silver cheese grater tower look, there's nothing else like it and it says "Mac Pro."
https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...spd/precision-7920-workstation/XCTOPT7920US_4
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I love the silver cheese grater tower look, there's nothing else like it and it says "Mac Pro."
Yes. It's $2000 in components in a $4000 case.
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$750 Xeon W-3223
$500 Supermicro X11SPA-TF
$275 4x8GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM
$200 Power Supply
$175 Radeon 580
$50 EATX Case
$35 M.2 256GB SSD
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Just about every Mac person I know had a 4,1 or a 5,1 at some point. And they were not “pros.”
No. For the power of the new MacPro, the price is about right.
If iMacPro is adequate for you, get an iMacPro. If you want to expandability, you need to pay. The additional PCIe buses, the additional Watts in the power supply to support the GPU cards, the additional memory slots, all these come with a cost.
If iMacPro is adequate for you, get an iMacPro. If you want to expandability, you need to pay. The additional PCIe buses, the additional Watts in the power supply to support the GPU cards, the additional memory slots, all these come with a cost.
The new Mac Pro is wonderful machine, but the basic version should have at least a 512 GB SSD and a much faster videocard for 6000 $. Anyway, I am glad it's expandable and upgradeable. Much better than the awful trashcan from 2013.
In 2006 the Mac Pro started at $2499.
According to this website, $2499 in 2006 is equivalent to $3167.73 today.
Put another way, $5999 today is equivalent to $4732.57 in 2006 dollars.
I don't know where you're getting your not far off calculation. The base Mac Pro today is 49% more expensive than the base Mac Pro from 2006.
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I think it's only slightly overpriced, just as all things Apple are. You're paying for a logo and a club, in a sense. I'm going to consider the 12 core, probably around the end of the year when it's been out a while. Then, I'll weigh it against a system I'd be building myself. There are pros and cons of Mac vs Windows, and I'm not ready to choose a side, yet.
I dislike the Windows update process, but I also dislike how often Apple makes a whole new OS, and all the pain that creates, too. Macs have been more stable, and there's a lot of value in that.
I dislike the Windows update process, but I also dislike how often Apple makes a whole new OS, and all the pain that creates, too. Macs have been more stable, and there's a lot of value in that.
I bet you don't need such a thing, however much you might want it.
If you were really working to delivery timelines that required a non-proxy workflow in 4K raw, you would be invoicing enough to afford the machine.
Silly boy.
Dude, no, that CPU is not $3000, your are about an order of magnitude off.
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Except it’s the 3223, $750... and that 4x8GB doesn’t even populate all the memory channels. They might as well make it a 2x4GB configuration or something and just let us put our own RAM in it.
No it is not.
To quote myself in a separate thread:
The original Macintosh that launched in January 1984 cost $2,495. Adjust for inflation from 1984 to 2019 that's $6,136.60 in today's money.
So I won't argue that Macs are expensive, but I would point out that they always have been. And I'd much rather have today's hardware than 1984's.
To quote myself in a separate thread:
The original Macintosh that launched in January 1984 cost $2,495. Adjust for inflation from 1984 to 2019 that's $6,136.60 in today's money.
So I won't argue that Macs are expensive, but I would point out that they always have been. And I'd much rather have today's hardware than 1984's.
Yes, things were better when Steve was running things. Like in 1984 when he launched original Macintosh for $2,495. Adjust for inflation from 1984 to 2019 that's $6,136.60 in today's money.
/headScratch
Apple has a huge marketing team that extensively surveys what the market demands, and what the market will pay for that demand.
This forum and the seeming defense by some of nearly anything Apple does is...incredible
I don’t think it’s too expensive when compared to other workstations. Not to mention that it’s custom hardware with some quite impressive design. And sure, iMac Pro is a better buy for many people who need performance. The new Mac Pro is a very niche product after all.
The way apple uses "pro" in their naming scheme messes with people. They need to drop the PRO name from every laptop they have.
The only thing pro they should keep is for this machine.
Yes, I should have ended my post with "most probably never going to happen". Still, I do think it's sad and I don't see a good reason why Apple aren't interested in this – why is there "no upmarket" for Apple for such a product?
I really dislike some aspects of the iMac. It's difficult to open and expanded storage (can of course be done externally, though). You're also stuck with the GPU. With a CPU that definitely could feed a graphics card released many years after the iMac was bought I find it a bit sad. Still, there's the eGPU options now with Thunderbolt 3 – too bad there's seems to be some overhead compared to a GPU connected directly connected to PCI Express.
Oh, well..
It’s rather form over function. You can put all kinds of upgrades on a Dell 5820 and be below the $6K. When people are looking across vendors, they need to remember Dell/HP are selling the Skylake Xeon W 21xx versions, and they will likely switch over to the Cascade lake W 32xx, same as Apple, at or before the Mac Pro is out. Just be sure to pay attention to the pricing/core count differences between them, it’s substantial.
The base price is higher than most people expected, but as Apple’s flagship product they did need to distance it from the iMac Pro and we need to understand who the target market is. Wait for used/refurbished or a sale if you want a lower price. In a few years I think most people will have replaced their older Mac Pro with the new one. Those on a lower budget can pick up a still-supported 6,1 (or iMac Pro) until they can afford a 7,1. I bet we’ll see those other models drop even more in price now on the used market. Probably below $1k for a 6,1 and below $3k for an iMac Pro.
Also consider what $6k got you in the 2012 5,1 brand new. It got you dual 2.66 GHz CPUs, 32 GB memory, an HD 5870 GPU, and a 1 TB spinning hard drive. A lot of 5,1s were purchased with higher specs than that.
Also consider what $6k got you in the 2012 5,1 brand new. It got you dual 2.66 GHz CPUs, 32 GB memory, an HD 5870 GPU, and a 1 TB spinning hard drive. A lot of 5,1s were purchased with higher specs than that.
So your telling me 7 years ago $6K got me nearly the same CPU power (duel 2.66 was 12 cores right? What’s the bench mark like on that 12 core vs this 8 core?), same RAM, and I just need to put in a modern GPU and like a $80 SSD. I mean, I get the platform upgrades and all, but I feel like that should come out of the equation as normal progress. As should things like RAM...