Oversimplification of what the community is saying. Oh, and the only alternative is not a Mac box.
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MP 7,1 Is the new Mac Pro too niche?
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Oversimplification of what the community is saying. Oh, and the only alternative is not a Mac box.
A complicated and complete analysis isn’t needed. It is simple...
FOR SOME PEOPLE - The only alternative is a non Mac box... I agree, then they need to buy the best tool for their needs. It may not FEEL GOOD or be EXACTLY what some people want, but that’s how it is.
It’s simple math here.
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Or rather, the Mac Pro as it currently stands is not the same Mac Pro that once existed. It is those people who feel left out. The Mac Pro (5,1) is no longer supported by major updates, and Apple’s trajectory with the product has significantly changed in the past decade. First, with the abandonment of the platform, then the release of a product which few appear to have been asking for. There’s no complicated analysis here, it’s very, very simple.
The price for the basic is extremely expansive and Apple is focusing on high-end production while most Mac Pro uses the basic version around $3000. Apple made the biggest mistake by ignoring most Mac Pro users who actually use Mac Pro around $3000~$6000.
Totally agree with that.
But not at all with that. The solution is simple even if not desired.
I think we’re mostly on the same thing, I just see value in arriving in the conclusion that it’s not for everyone, and they even said it won’t be (and shouldn’t?) be.
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I think it was conscious, and so not a mistake.
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Of course it’s niche. If you listen to what people were complaining about with the 2013, they wanted a niche product— they just don’t want to think they’re in a niche.
Apple probably decided it is ok to lose some of those sales than potentially cannibalizing higher end iMac and iMac Pro sales. They are not craving for more marketshare on that segment.
Science does. Many Macs in science labs. The first image of a black hole was created using algorithms running on Macs. With a programmable FPGA card and ECC memory they can do it faster with less error.
That could certainly happen too, if its one thing thats in their DNA is to never say they are wrong.
I know science does, I’m dealing with climate model predictions for a quarter of my time and it sucks.. but this machine is marketed at media creationists, not scientific applications
On the preview site it is mostly marketed to video and CG guys, true. But they are not the only historical user base. We have to respect there is a diversity out there and see what great things come out of it.
I completely agree, I just find it weird that Apple don’t acknowledge other users beside media creationists. Maybe that just me though.
The preview site will probably be updated later anyway. Right now it is about marketing to the film industry who haven't had a new Mac Pro for a long time. They are moving production now to 8K so that their films will already support the format before it becomes mainstream.
I may hope so, but the reveal was so off that it doesn’t feel like they will. Not going to lie, sitting in that massive hall with other developers, and seeing the reaction from other engineers... was not the most positive vibe I got.
Alas, we’ll wait and see
The pricing was intimidating but that's expected with the volatile economics in the world right now. It's hard to price things lower when you have cheap competition subsidized by Chines government and chances of tariffs, recessions, etc. Pricing includes these forward thinking economic risks. So to justify the pricing to customers the products have to be even more innovative and risky. Very difficult to make everyone happy in this climate.
In the past they did because Xeon was the only choice for SMP.
It would be impractical and expensive for Apple to make one Mac Pro production line for i9/i7 and another for Xeon. You have to make two different logic boards. Too much expense and risk.
Exactly. I find it beyond amusing how so many people are happy to drop $700,000 on a house that literally just sits there all day long and can’t even run Abobe Premiere. Unreal.
Those exact same people will say a box of Count Chocula cereal that gives you nutrition and calories that you NEED TO LIVE at say $75,000 is too expensive. Completely mind boggling.
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I will have to wait for UK pricing, but I expect it to be a 1:1 conversion. I don’t know if tariffs in the US should have any effect; my understanding is that they don’t. Pricing is always difficult, and it was a shock to the community that what was a Mac Pro starting at $3/4K now starts at 6, and well Apple’s promised expansion with the 2013 MP failed to materialise. I’d be a bit cautious that they wouldn’t fall into this hole again. It mean.. they acknowledged it pretty late and then started work on a new system.
I'm sure that the margin Apple applies to the product is likely to break even with that many (or that few) units.
You might not like Ive's recent designs as a matter of taste, but I think the bean counters at Apple don't need to be told how to do their job.
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Yeah, media intelligent designers are being totally ignored.
Okay, I'll show myself out.
It doesn’t matter. No matter what the price is. People been waiting for this type of mac pro for longer than 6 years. I understand that Price is steep, but when people been waiting for longer than 6 years...price shouldn’t be a factor.