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Is there a way to permanently avoid the nerfed IOS version that Europe is imposing?

ericwn said:
We discussed this. You are invited to never touch any of these and nothing will change in your end user experience. This is coming. I recommend you wrap your head around it.
Nobody forces you to vote but now you can.
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That's not correct. If you are in the EU, you cannot opt out from the nerfed PWAs. Web Apps just won't work as before in the EU (they will just open a browser, no push notifications supported).

I am luckily in Europe but not in the EU, so I will keep being able to enjoy PWAs (for now).

They should give users a choice to opt out from all this.
 
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ericwn said:
LOL

I want my freedom of not having choice! Bury me in my walled garden!

This has been a revealing read.
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Big LOL, I already have choice, I can buy an android.
I don't need Thierry Breton for that...
oh, by the way, did I elect Der Kommissar Breton ?
 
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Lab34 said:
Big LOL, I already have choice, I can buy an android.
I don't need Thierry Breton for that...
oh, by the way, did I elect Der Kommissar Breton ?
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If you consider buying choices between two mega corporations freedom, sure. Especially if one of them makes a business as the worlds biggest ad company that choice is not really to my liking. But by all means go ahead and celebrate your plentiful consumer choice. Now those in the walled garden have a bit more options too. Sure sure, end of the world and all, I know.

And no, you did not directly vote for that person. Luckily Wikipedia has that covered for you so that you can clarify that OT stuff there.
 
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MajorFubar said:
Nerfed? Nerfed in what way? If giving you more freedom of choice (that you don't have to take) is nerfed, I'll take it. What i'm more anticipating is half the world wanting to find some sketchy way to install the so-called 'nerfed' EU version on their non-EU iphones. EU customers who are scared the bogey man might get them if they dare venture out of Apple's fluffy-walled garden will still be able opt to stay within it if they want. How is offering choice, 'nerfed'?
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Yes, it's good to have a choice, but PWAs are nerfed. They're just "dumb" bookmarks on your home screen now and will not function as an app even if you choose to continue using Safari as your default browser.
 
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iStorm said:
Yes, it's good to have a choice, but PWAs are nerfed. They're just "dumb" bookmarks on your home screen now and will not function as an app even if you choose to continue using Safari as your default browser.
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Well, as far as I am concerned, this is by far a minor thing compared to being able to install and use a different browser engine for real. I mean the bookmark just opens in a browser window… fully functional. 🤷‍♀️
 
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Slartibart said:
Well, as far as I am concerned, this is by far a minor thing compared to being able to install and use a different browser engine for real. I mean the bookmark just opens in a browser window… fully functional. 🤷‍♀️
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No, they're not always fully functional in a web browser.

1) PWAs work offline; can't do that in a browser.
2) PWAs have their own app container. One could have the same PWA installed multiple times for different accounts, rather than having to sign in/out all the time to switch between them in a browser (i.e. switching between work and personal email). Or perhaps they just want to keep their app activity separate from their browsing activity.
3) PWAs can have push notifications; browsers don't.

Hopefully Apple will eventually let PWAs run in Safari if one chooses to keep Safari as the default browser. I doubt that won't happen until they let 3rd party browsers run PWAs...if they ever do.
 
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*Is there a way to permanently avoid the nerfed IOS version that Apple is imposing?
Ftfy
 
ericwn said:
LOL

I want my freedom of not having choice! Bury me in my walled garden!

This has been a revealing read.
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I can't help but feel that most of the feeling displayed in this thread is animosity to EU as a concept rather than anything related to the technical iOS changes.....
 
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ManuCH said:
That's not correct. If you are in the EU, you cannot opt out from the nerfed PWAs. Web Apps just won't work as before in the EU (they will just open a browser, no push notifications supported).

I am luckily in Europe but not in the EU, so I will keep being able to enjoy PWAs (for now).

They should give users a choice to opt out from all this.
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Stop falling for Apples nonsense. It’s Apples fault they’re choosing not to properly implement PWA’s, not that they ever even have properly implemented them in the first place. Apples plan is malicious compliance.
 
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ManuCH said:
I am luckily in Europe but not in the EU, so I will keep being able to enjoy PWAs (for now).
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Could you give us some examples of those PWAs to enjoy? I do not think I have used any in the last 5 years, if ever. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Why try and avoid having choice, when you can campaign for Apple to end their malicious compliance and bring back a feature that I certainly have never used (I don't speak for everyone else). There's an app for that apparantly (that being whatever you are using it for)

Also is some one equates sideloading with piracy I'm going to disregard your opinion as male cow dung
 
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cupcakes2000 said:
Stop falling for Apples nonsense. It’s Apples fault they’re choosing not to properly implement PWA’s, not that they ever even have properly implemented them in the first place. Apples plan is malicious compliance.
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I just think governments should keep their nose outside of company's businesses when it's about *technical* details like these. Like, make a browser choice mandatory? Make other browser engines mandatory? Why would they even be interested in such a thing? The DMA is a complete failure (and yes I am indeed very happy not to be part of the EU but still to be in Europe).

Force Apple to open up to third party stores? Sure, I like that one, it's about fair competition. And I wish they would just allow sideloading at the end user's risk. And yes, what they are doing with their current third party app store implementation *is* malicious compliance (and I hope the EU sues Apple's butt away). But the whole browser thing is ridiculous and only gives Google an advantage. I don't think they need government support.


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Could you give us some examples of those PWAs to enjoy? I do not think I have used any in the last 5 years, if ever. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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I have just been using one recently when I was on vacation in the mountains. The apartment rental agency used a PWA to manage the virtual guest card which also gives you free access to public transport in the area. It worked very well.

Other than that, I don't currently use any, but I like the idea that it's possible to have them. For example, if a company wants to implement something that is not allowed on the App Store. So it's more a matter of principle.
 
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There is an irony that Apple removes PWAs in iOS, when they just added it in macOS 14 :rolleyes:

Use Safari web apps on Mac - Apple Support

Starting with macOS Sonoma, you can use Safari to save any webpage as a web app, so that you can use it independently of Safari. Web apps offer a streamlined, app-like experience and easy access from the Dock.
support.apple.com support.apple.com

If it’s possible on macOS, it’s possible on iOS - if Apple wants to do it.

Ok, it might be complicated to do it for all the webengines they now have to allow in the EU. But they could easily have left it as a function in Safari, and given a timeline for when they safely could implement it systemwide (if that really is mandatory according to DMA). Hasn’t PWA been a function in Chrome for macOS already some time?

Imagine if Apple would let iOS be as open to third party apps as on macOS. It’s not a safety issue, they could do it if they wanted. Most people would not care and would never install anything outside Apples app store. But for some of us, who appreciate what other developers do for the mac, iOS and Apple as a whole would be a much more open and nice place to be. And iOS would naturally have passed all requirements in DMA.

An Apple that developed iOS as they have developed macOS would perhaps not be the most valuable company on the planet. But they would be the nicest. 😁
 
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JonaM said:
I can't help but feel that most of the feeling displayed in this thread is animosity to EU as a concept rather than anything related to the technical iOS changes.....
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Oh sorry, I thought it was not out of topic regarding the title of the subject "Is there a way to permanently avoid the nerfed IOS version that Europe is imposing?"
When I saw the full page of comments of @ericwn advocating this mess, I thought it was a good place to react.
I'm very sorry of the micro agression against the EU commission lovers.
I will move my anger in this subject: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-million-in-eu-music-streaming-probe.2419832/
 
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Could you give us some examples of those PWAs to enjoy? I do not think I have used any in the last 5 years, if ever. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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This very forum (MacRumors). I run it as a PWA on my iPhone for push notifications about topics I want to stay in the loop for (or replies etc.).

The only valid argument OP really has is that they kill PWAs in the EU with 17.4, something I'll mourn after cause I'm so used to staying in the loop about things that only provide PWAs and no native Apps (like Linear etc., which thankfully releases a native App soonish).
 
Slightly different question: I have two SIMs (one eSIM and one physical SIM), one is a EU operator the second a non-EU operator. Which SIM will dictate IOS behaviour?
 
sek31 said:
Which SIM will dictate IOS behaviour?
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I am guessing, but I think the prescence of a EU sim will dictate, at least that is how I have interpreted peoples experience with Japanese camera shutter sound. But this might be different, we will have to wait and see.
 
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