Is Yosemite really that bad?

[Taz Mangus]

Probably not.

That does not explain why the problem was not occurring when a new user account was created. It indicates to me that something is corrupted in their current user account. Can't be a system file as it is not a system wide problem if it does not happen in a new user account.

 

[psik]

Create a new partition on your internal hard drive, install 10.10.3 on the new partition, boot to the 10.10.3 and test use it. When you are done, boot back to your primary partition and delete the new partition. This is the best way to see how well Yosemite will work without having to affect your primary install. This is what I did before I decided to upgrade to Yosemite. Before I even decided to try out Yosemite I read all the posts where people complained about issues they were having. It had me concerned as it does you. But in the end I had to decide for myself and it turned out that Yosemite is very stable on all 3 of my Macs. I am serious when I say this, Yosemite has been issue free for me since I have installed. I have been using OS X since 10.2 Jaguar and Yosemite is by far my favorite version of OS X.

Thanks for the tip, I actually forgot about this. Merci.

 

[JZ Wire]

No dice on Yosemite

I have been using Yosemite on my sister's laptop because she had already installed it and I wanted to test it out before I DLed it on mine.
We both have retina Macbook Pros, and from what I've seen, there's no way i'm leaving Mavericks.

I've made sure she has updated her laptop all the way through 10.10.3 and it is still not up to par in my opinion. Random problems here, glitches/bugs there, and the overall speed is not the same as prior releases.

I think it might me time for a Snow Leopard-esque OS. Where they take their time, forget about fancy new features, and just fix the whole OS. Making it speedy, rock solid, and efficient. In my opinion, Mavericks beats Yosemite hands down. I guess I'll wait for 10.11 and see where that goes…

 

[grahamperrin]

… the problem was not occurring when a new user account was created. It indicates to me that something is corrupted in their current user account. …

In my experience, that's very rarely the cause.

A list of open files should be a good starting point.

 

[psik]

funny i thought i'd try yosemite after 10.10.3 but it creates so many bugs and breaks so many things I will not. even apple has is now guiding you to fix 10.10.3: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204771

 

[Taz Mangus]

funny i thought i'd try yosemite after 10.10.3 but it creates so many bugs and breaks so many things I will not. even apple has is now guiding you to fix 10.10.3: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204771

Do you have the ManyCam software installed? Please list the "so many" bugs that 10.10.3 creates and please list the "so many" things that 10.10.3 breaks. I installed 10.10.3 and I have not seen anything broken on any of my Macs.

EDIT: I had far more issues with Mavericks, especially the early releases, then I have had with Yosemite. I had WiFi issues in the 10.9.3 version. Yosemite has been the most stable version of OS X that I ever used, period. And again, I have been using OS X since 10.2 Jaguar.

 

[F1Mac]

funny i thought i'd try yosemite after 10.10.3 but it creates so many bugs and breaks so many things I will not.

That's ridiculous. It hasn't broken ANYTHING on my 3 Macs. In fact it works perfectly. Yes you should definitely try it and see for yourself instead of blindly believe what you read on the web. That's the kind the kind of nonsense that people like to spread so all of us can realize that "Apple lost it", which is simply not true. When I read in another thread that "Yosemite blurry fonts" has been reported by users who probably had no clue what the LCD font smoothing was, it makes you wonder what kind of "users" are experiencing all these major and unacceptable issues...

 

[Ulenspiegel]

That's ridiculous. It hasn't broken ANYTHING on my 3 Macs. In fact it works perfectly. Yes you should definitely try it and see for yourself instead of blindly believe what you read on the web. That's the kind the kind of nonsense that people like to spread so all of us can realize that "Apple lost it", which is simply not true. When I read in another thread that "Yosemite blurry fonts" has been reported by users who probably had no clue what the LCD font smoothing was, it makes you wonder what kind of "users" are experiencing all these major and unacceptable issues...

With due respect Morpheo, do you really think that all the reports here, in our Forums and on the web about the bugs as well as different problems (wifi, fonts, ui lag etc.) are nothing but nonsense spread by people having fun in their spare-time?

 

[canadianpj]

I've seen a lot of negative stuff about Yoesemite, mainly unstable and slow. Lots of glitches. Is any of this stuff true or are those just trolls? I used 10.9 for a year and I loved it, no issues.

I've had zero problems with the OS on both my laptop and my iMac. Literally none, I understand the look is rather different but otherwise it works just fine.

 

[SaxnFlutman]

When I read in another thread that "Yosemite blurry fonts" has been reported by users who probably had no clue what the LCD font smoothing was, it makes you wonder what kind of "users" are experiencing all these major and unacceptable issues...

Probably (but not always, since I've read numerous comments by long-time, more expert users) the kind of users who are not as advanced and computer savvy as some of you who love to bash those with issues. When I first began with Macs, knowing far less than I do today, I had nowhere near the issues that some of the more recent "advancements" have created. Macs were known for running with rarely an issue, and to be very user-friendly, due to it being far more "intuitive" than Windows. Which it was, it ran way more smoothly, and was very user-friendly, even for beginners. Today, not so much...

If properly installing a new OS requires all the numerous steps that Taz or others suggest, then Apple needs to let EVERYONE know that, and not tell us to just install it on top of our current OS. You both can't be right...

 

[Taz Mangus]

If properly installing a new OS requires all the numerous steps that Taz or others suggest, then Apple needs to let EVERYONE know that, and not tell us to just install it on top of our current OS. You both can't be right...

I never said that anyone requires my steps for OS X to be installed and working properly. If you took what I said that way, as you claim, then you misunderstood what I was saying.

 

[simonsi]

funny i thought i'd try yosemite after 10.10.3 but it creates so many bugs and breaks so many things I will not. even apple has is now guiding you to fix 10.10.3: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204771

Rubbish. 10.10.3 runs noticeably cooler and therefore longer battery life, is just as stable and introduced no issues that I can tell. I've put it on all 3 of my Macs, no issues whatsoever.

As will previous 10.10, you need to install it to see whether you will have any issue.

 

[SaxnFlutman]

I never said that anyone requires my steps for OS X to be installed and working properly. If you took what I said that way, as you claim, then you misunderstood what I was saying.

Taz, whenever anyone's complained of having a lot of issues, that's exactly what you tell them to do, and many will lash out at a person's "stupidity" at not doing that from jump! These forums all have the same pattern, people complain, and instead of trying to help they are told "well mine works just fine", "why are you complaining, it's your own fault", etc, etc. or, they are told to do a series of fairly complicated procedures to try and do what it is supposed to do in the first place.

To pretend that lots of people don't have lots of issues, is to have one's head in the sand. If there weren't issues, Apple wouldn't continue to add updates, I mean, that's pretty simple to grasp. And I've personally heard an Apple higher level tech admit they were aware of some issues with a previous update, say they were working on a fix ASAP, only to call back three weeks later, and have a different tech deny any such thing. Which makes it quite clear they have no qualms at stonewalling their users, pretending all issues are user-errors, and go on releasing updates that aren't yet ready for prime time, as if, we are all demanding no OS yearly!

Why should my decision to upgrade my OS be a CRAPSHOOT? I need my computer to work, I have little time as it is, and sure don't need to be saddled with hours, days, weeks worth of computer hell, and would like to be assured that's not going to happen.

 

[lowendlinux]

Taz, whenever anyone's complained of having a lot of issues, that's exactly what you tell them to do, and many will lash out at a person's "stupidity" at not doing that from jump! These forums all have the same pattern, people complain, and instead of trying to help they are told "well mine works just fine", "why are you complaining, it's your own fault", etc, etc. or, they are told to do a series of fairly complicated procedures to try and do what it is supposed to do in the first place.

To pretend that lots of people don't have lots of issues, is to have one's head in the sand. If there weren't issues, Apple wouldn't continue to add updates, I mean, that's pretty simple to grasp. And I've personally heard an Apple higher level tech admit they were aware of some issues with a previous update, say they were working on a fix ASAP, only to call back three weeks later, and have a different tech deny any such thing. Which makes it quite clear they have no qualms at stonewalling their users, pretending all issues are user-errors, and go on releasing updates that aren't yet ready for prime time, as if, we are all demanding no OS yearly!

Why should my decision to upgrade my OS be a CRAPSHOOT? I need my computer to work, I have little time as it is, and sure don't need to be saddled with hours, days, weeks worth of computer hell, and would like to be assured that's not going to happen.

Computers that are needed for work don’t get updated. My work MP is on 10.8 and work MBP is on 10.9. Because there is an update doesn’t mean you should update.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Taz, whenever anyone's complained of having a lot of issues, that's exactly what you tell them to do, and many will lash out at a person's "stupidity" at not doing that from jump! These forums all have the same pattern, people complain, and instead of trying to help they are told "well mine works just fine", "why are you complaining, it's your own fault", etc, etc. or, they are told to do a series of fairly complicated procedures to try and do what it is supposed to do in the first place.

To pretend that lots of people don't have lots of issues, is to have one's head in the sand. If there weren't issues, Apple wouldn't continue to add updates, I mean, that's pretty simple to grasp. And I've personally heard an Apple higher level tech admit they were aware of some issues with a previous update, say they were working on a fix ASAP, only to call back three weeks later, and have a different tech deny any such thing. Which makes it quite clear they have no qualms at stonewalling their users, pretending all issues are user-errors, and go on releasing updates that aren't yet ready for prime time, as if, we are all demanding no OS yearly!

Why should my decision to upgrade my OS be a CRAPSHOOT? I need my computer to work, I have little time as it is, and sure don't need to be saddled with hours, days, weeks worth of computer hell, and would like to be assured that's not going to happen.

You seem to do selective reading. You need to look again at my posts and you will see that I have attempted to help many posters solve issues they were having with Yosemite and many times the posters have actually resolved their issues without needing to do a reinstall. I have, in past postings, suggested a method, to do clean install of OS X. We discussed this previously. And you went on this "you and Apple can't both be right" thing. Like anything, there is always more then one way to do something.

Before I installed Yosemite I read posts where people were having issues. I also read where people weren't having issues. I was concerned and installed it on a separate partition to start with to test it out. The point being I know that people are having real issues that is why I was cautious about installing Yosemite.

Don't want to try out Yosemite that's okay because not everyone does or needs to. I have skipped installing a OS X release in the past.

 

[F1Mac]

With due respect Morpheo, do you really think that all the reports here, in our Forums and on the web about the bugs as well as different problems (wifi, fonts, ui lag etc.) are nothing but nonsense spread by people having fun in their spare-time?

Not at all. What I'm saying is that not everyone have these bugs, in fact some of us including me don't have them at all, so the best way to know for sure is to try using the OS and see how it's behaving. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to make Yosemite look good by denying the frustrating, to say the least, issues some are experiencing. On the other hand I've seen so many times people having 'problems' with their computers that were not really problems that I try to have some perspective and always take these reports with a grain of salt. I know I've said this many times but our systems are so different from one person to another that it's not necessarily the OS' fault, or Apple's fault for that matter (and no I'm not blindly defending Apple either ). Sometimes it's a combination of factors and the source can be even harder to trace. Had I stuck to what I've read about Yosemite perhaps I wouldn't have installed it, and I wouldn't have found that it can also be trouble free.

To be perfectly honest though, Maybe you remember that I installed 10.10 when it came out, ran into problems that were or were not related to it, clean installed Mavericks and thought "so long Yosemite". After a while I've decided to try it again, and now it's absolutely flawless. Helvetica still pisses me off though

 

[psik]

You seem to do selective reading. You need to look again at my posts and you will see that I have attempted to help many posters solve issues they were having with Yosemite and many times the posters have actually resolved their issues without needing to do a reinstall. I have, in past postings, suggested a method, to do clean install of OS X. We discussed this previously. And you went on this "you and Apple can't both be right" thing. Like anything, there is always more then one way to do something.

Before I installed Yosemite I read posts where people were having issues. I also read where people weren't having issues. I was concerned and installed it on a separate partition to start with to test it out. The point being I know that people are having real issues that is why I was cautious about installing Yosemite.

Don't want to try out Yosemite that's okay because not everyone does or needs to. I have skipped installing a OS X release in the past.

I think what SaxnFlutman is saying is that you have one message: that Yosemite doesn't have more problems than previous OS's or that other OS's also have problems. This is not what we are saying. I know that mavericks gave people issues as well. However, Yosemite has even more bugs. Surely, bugs don't affect all systems, but that does not mean that Yosemite does not have more bugs just because not everyone is affected or because you are not. So yes you do help people, but at the same time you refuse to see the other side at the same time: That they are expressing their dissatisfaction with Yosemite because it may just have more visible bugs than previous releases of OS X. So it is not selective reading that you say, I disagree, pretty much you always say this (but you also do help people out at the same time)

 

[Taz Mangus]

I think what SaxnFlutman is saying is that you have one message: that Yosemite doesn't have more problems than previous OS's or that other OS's also have problems. This is not what we are saying. I know that mavericks gave people issues as well. However, Yosemite has even more bugs. Surely, bugs don't affect all systems, but that does not mean that Yosemite does not have more bugs just because not everyone is affected or because you are not. So yes you do help people, but at the same time you refuse to see the other side at the same time: That they are expressing their dissatisfaction with Yosemite because it may just have more visible bugs than previous releases of OS X. So it is not selective reading that you say, I disagree, pretty much you always say this (but you also do help people out at the same time)

SaxnFlutman accused me of telling people they need to do a clean install anytime anyone posts they are having problems. I responded about doing selective reading in regard to that. I know exactly what SaxnFlutman is saying. I don't agree as a blanket statement.

I played around with the new retina Macs at the Apple store which had 10.10.2 installed on the computers. I was curious about the UI lag issues and slow finder issues that people are reporting. I must have spent a good hour trying to reproduce the UI lag and slow finder issues. The only thing I could reproduce was a slight judder in finder when scrolling in list mode. Since I don't have a retina Mac at home I can not know if I would have WiFi issues on a retina Mac. And then there are the people reporting issues while other posters are reporting not having those issues with the exact same year, model and hardware configuration of Mac computer. I have read posts more then once about this. My point is, making a blanket statement about how bad Yosemite is is no better then claiming that some people are pretending that Yosemite does not have issues. Yes, people are reporting issues but what is causing those issues can't always be assumed that it is Yosemite per se but it could be other contributing factors. Simply reading that someone is having issues with Yosemite but not knowing what third party software is installed and whether there is an incompatibility issue. Some people simply install without checking if there is an incompatible third party driver or application installed that could be causing the issue.

And there are people like you making posts like this which have to basis in fact:

funny i thought i'd try yosemite after 10.10.3 but it creates so many bugs and breaks so many things I will not.

You make a blanket statement like that and people read it and then it contributes to this whole "Yosemite must be terrible, don't even try it out" attitude.

 

[SaxnFlutman]

SaxnFlutman accused me of telling people they need to do a clean install anytime anyone posts they are having problems. I responded about doing selective reading in regard to that. I know exactly what SaxnFlutman is saying. I don't agree as a blanket statement.

No Taz, that is not what I've been saying. You have been telling people that doing a clean install is what you did, you have no major issues with Yosemite, and recommending others do the same, if they want to best be sure of a good outcome.
Morpheus advises those of us sitting on the fence to "try it and see for yourself", well, that's what everyone who's having major issues did, so how is that actual advice? Just roll the dice and see if it's good or computer hell for you. And even he tells us to install it on a second partition, cause "It's easy (and safe) to install it on a second partition/drive and see how it goes." Well, "easy" is a very subjective term, since to thousands of Mac-users, those who aren't advanced in computer skills, a second partition, nor Taz's guide to a clean install, are "easy", and without real understanding, should a glitch occur, we're screwed, which is why I don't like following detailed instructions with no accompanying explanations, to understand fully what I'm doing.

Maybe you guys could collaborate, and write or record a "Dummies Guide to Safe Mac Updating", which apparently is becoming more & more a necessity. When they introduce a THIRD update, after lengthy Beta-versions, and people still have major issues, some coming only after this current update, something is wrong with how Apple is doing this!

And saying because there those who have no problems, means it's on those who are, is both irrational, and non-productive. Of course everyone has different third-party software, and varied stuff going on, but Apple's OS is the basic engine, no matter everyone's modifications, so they have a responsibility to make their OS as workable for as many varied environments it may be working in, not only so a segment of their users have a smooth transition. That is the model they seem to have left behind, not that earlier versions were all without issues, but believe me, as one who's been with them since OS9, they didn't use to be something we've come to dread to install.

Lowendlinux says "computers needed for work won't get updated", well, I'm going to have to update one of these days, because more & more apps for Snow Leopard are not being updated, so that's not great advice either. Nor is updating say, to Mavericks, since even though it was a free update, Apple in it's ultimate wisdom, has decided to only make it available to those who already have it, which totally sucks, thanks a lot Apple!

 

[lke]

Yosemite was ok before the latest update 10.10.3 and the worst program ever is photos.

It is a nightmare that program, it crashes, you can't import photos from iphone and ipad.

 

[Taz Mangus]

No Taz, that is not what I've been saying. You have been telling people that doing a clean install is what you did, you have no major issues with Yosemite, and recommending others do the same, if they want to best be sure of a good outcome.
Morpheus advises those of us sitting on the fence to "try it and see for yourself", well, that's what everyone who's having major issues did, so how is that actual advice? Just roll the dice and see if it's good or computer hell for you. And even he tells us to install it on a second partition, cause "It's easy (and safe) to install it on a second partition/drive and see how it goes." Well, "easy" is a very subjective term, since to thousands of Mac-users, those who aren't advanced in computer skills, a second partition, nor Taz's guide to a clean install, are "easy", and without real understanding, should a glitch occur, we're screwed, which is why I don't like following detailed instructions with no accompanying explanations, to understand fully what I'm doing.

Maybe you guys could collaborate, and write or record a "Dummies Guide to Safe Mac Updating", which apparently is becoming more & more a necessity. When they introduce a THIRD update, after lengthy Beta-versions, and people still have major issues, some coming only after this current update, something is wrong with how Apple is doing this!

And saying because there those who have no problems, means it's on those who are, is both irrational, and non-productive. Of course everyone has different third-party software, and varied stuff going on, but Apple's OS is the basic engine, no matter everyone's modifications, so they have a responsibility to make their OS as workable for as many varied environments it may be working in, not only so a segment of their users have a smooth transition. That is the model they seem to have left behind, not that earlier versions were all without issues, but believe me, as one who's been with them since OS9, they didn't use to be something we've come to dread to install.

Lowendlinux says "computers needed for work won't get updated", well, I'm going to have to update one of these days, because more & more apps for Snow Leopard are not being updated, so that's not great advice either. Nor is updating say, to Mavericks, since even though it was a free update, Apple in it's ultimate wisdom, has decided to only make it available to those who already have it, which totally sucks, thanks a lot Apple!

Again you have been selectively reading. Go back and look at my postings and you will see me suggesting to people to create a new partition and install Yosemite to it. I have on a couple of occasions suggested to do a clean install, not all the time. If you are you to accuse someone of doing something at least get your facts straight.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

Not at all. What I'm saying is that not everyone have these bugs, in fact some of us including me don't have them at all, so the best way to know for sure is to try using the OS and see how it's behaving. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to make Yosemite look good by denying the frustrating, to say the least, issues some are experiencing. On the other hand I've seen so many times people having 'problems' with their computers that were not really problems that I try to have some perspective and always take these reports with a grain of salt. I know I've said this many times but our systems are so different from one person to another that it's not necessarily the OS' fault, or Apple's fault for that matter (and no I'm not blindly defending Apple either ). Sometimes it's a combination of factors and the source can be even harder to trace. Had I stuck to what I've read about Yosemite perhaps I wouldn't have installed it, and I wouldn't have found that it can also be trouble free.

To be perfectly honest though, Maybe you remember that I installed 10.10 when it came out, ran into problems that were or were not related to it, clean installed Mavericks and thought "so long Yosemite". After a while I've decided to try it again, and now it's absolutely flawless. Helvetica still pisses me off though

Yes, Morpheo, I remember. (I did the same, btw).
Thanks for the clear, honest answer.

 

[SaxnFlutman]

Again you have been selectively reading. Go back and look at my postings and you will see me suggesting to people to create a new partition and install Yosemite to it. I have on a couple of occasions suggested to do a clean install, not all the time. If you are you to accuse someone of doing something at least get your facts straight.

You're right, I was blurring clean install and new partition, because both go above and beyond what Apple recommends, which is to simply download it and install over whatever is already there. So, my point is still a valid one, if more than just installing it is the better way to go, then Apple should say so, or, they should only release a new OS when just installing it over what's there will be safe...

If I did partition my hard drive, and installed Yosemite, would that mean it would have no access to everything I already have, on the other partition? Would I be able to access those files? If they aren't accessible to Yosemite, how will I know if it works? If it works with nothing of mine in place, that doesn't really tell me much, as I'm sure it must at least work ok without anything else in play.

 

[Bazzy]

Hi All,

I need some advice here as a novice. I currently am running Mavericks 10.9.5 on a Late 2011 17" Macbook Pro. I have no problems with it & it is running very smoothly.

I also keep Time Machine & SuperDuper Back Ups. I have avoided upgrading to Yosemite due to the numerous & various issues that still seem to be plaguing it. My logic is that if seasoned & knowledgeable Mac folks cannot get certain things to work or put them right to a certain point then there is no way in hell I will be able to so best to just wait until the general consensus is that Yosemite is now fixed.

The problem is that I read on a few Mac websites that previous versions of OS X are vulnerable to a serious security flaw that Apple will not address. This flaw does not apply to Yosemite & all of the authors that wrote these articles all urged readers to upgrade to Yosemite asap.

I do not now know what to do - if I upgrade & have the numerous issues you brainy folks are having then I simply will not be able to fix them & like many rely on my mac. If I do not, then I might be leaving my self open to this apparently serious security flaw.

If I upgrade & things go bad, can I easily & quickly change back to Mavericks with either my Time Machine or SuperDuper back ups?

Many Thanks,
Bazzy!

 

[leman]

If I upgrade & things go bad, can I easily & quickly change back to Mavericks

Yes, absolutely.

I do not now know what to do - if I upgrade & have the numerous issues you brainy folks are having then I simply will not be able to fix them & like many rely on my mac. If I do not, then I might be leaving my self open to this apparently serious security flaw.

The likelihood of you having issues is very low, despite what the local vocal minority might make you believe. Every OS X has had an issue, every upgrade is a potential risk and there are always things that can go wrong. At least Yosemite will not delete your files, like Snow Leopard install used to.

Personal experience with these things differ and Apple is certainly to blame for many aspects of the issues some folks are having. I believe that they have made some things too complicated, which could lead to subtle and hard to fix issues (e.g. the WiFi bug). On the other hand, I maintain a department that runs several dozens Macs and Yosemite has been the least problematic upgrade on my memory. For us, it actually fixed some occasional WiFi problems we were having on Mavericks. And despite all the 'criticism', Yosemite's is already installed on more Macs than any other OS X every was — and that only half a year after its release!

So my recommendation is to go and make your own experience instead of listening to the 0.1% of the user base that is having issues of some sort. Macs are certainly not problem-free (nothing is), but they also have not nearly as many issues as one might want you believe. And you seem to have all your Backups in the right place — worst thing that can happen is that you loose few hours and revert back to your previous working system.