Is Yosemite really that bad?

[JSC]

If it really was that simple, then Apple should include that feature in the OS and schedule it automatically at a regular basis. Having to do any manual maintenance at all to an OS in 2015 is not ideal. Windows at least has disk optimization occur every week automatically.

My business partner uses Windows 7. He has performance issues and has not only used all the built-in Microsoft utilities, he has also uses 3 programs from Uniblue – Registry Booster, System Tweaker & Speed Up My PC. None of them rebuilds the registry. You need to boot up with something other than the HD to do a rebuild.

 

[JSC]

My business partner uses Windows 7. He has performance issues and has not only used all the built-in Microsoft utilities, he has also uses 3 programs from Uniblue – Registry Booster, System Tweaker & Speed Up My PC. None of them rebuilds the registry. You need to boot up with something other than the HD to do a rebuild.

Additional comment to help clarify my comments. The iMac is 3.5 years old, the MacBook Pro is 8 years old. Neither have had their Directories rebuilt until now. That's not routine maintenance in my mind.

 

[dastinger]

I was experiencing slowness with Yosemite, which didn't make sense as I have an iMac with 16GB of RAM and a quad-core processor. I was seeing way too many beach balls. I also have an older MacBook Pro. Disk Utility was telling me that half my HD was bad and I needed to erase it and reload everything. Not an option I liked.

I solved both problems by buying DiskWarrior 5.0 based upon some reviews. I rebuilt the Directory using the USB on both machines. It showed my iMac Directory was only 50% efficient. My iMac is now very fast again. My MacBook Pro now is fully operational and Disk Utility now shows that all is well.

The problem some people may be having with Yosemite performance may be their Directory needs a rebuild, not Yosemite.

A simple verify disk on Disk Utility would alert me if I had the same issue? That's what you've done?

 

[TallGuyGT]

Started out with Yosemite on a maxed out 2011 17" MBP with SSD. Didn't care for Yosemite and went back to Mavericks. Mavericks was mature, everything worked fine, and it looked good on a non-retina display.

When I upgraded to a 2014 top model 15" MBP, I clean installed Yosemite and have been happy ever since. Looks amazing on a retina display, software has now mostly caught up, and I've had zero issues that many others have experienced.

My personal experience is that I wouldn't use it without a retina display, but otherwise have no issues with updated software.

Looking forward to 10.10.3 with the new Photos app.

 

[macgeek88]

Either I'm very lenient or very lucky because I never seem to have any trouble with new versions of OS X and iOS. iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite have been solid for me since day 1 on all of my devices.

Now, that doesn't mean there aren't problems, but it's not something that affects every user for whatever reason.

I do use WiFriedX just because I don't need AirDrop and although my wifi speed is not a problem, I find it helps page loading but it very well may be a placebo effect.

 

[Taz Mangus]

A simple verify disk on Disk Utility would alert me if I had the same issue? That's what you've done?

No to both questions. If you have run both you would see that DiskWarrior works differently and can solve problems that Disk Utility can't.

 

[Toltepeceno]

Is Yosemite really that bad?

I've had mine since christmas, it's run dogish the whole time, if disk warrior needs to be run on a new mac something's wrong in my mind. That being said it's probably a worthwhile app.

 

[Toltepeceno]

How much ram in your computer, to speed up is to get 8gb. If you have 4gb of ram, you might want 8gb. That might speed up the computer, 4gb is really pushing it. How about posting some screen shots from actively tracker (it's in your utilities folder)which is in your applications folder.[



COLOR="Red"]Hugh[/COLOR]

Sorry, i didn't completely answer this Hugh. I should have my ssd shortly, let me install it and see how it is first, if I still have problems i will take you up on the kind offer of posting screenshots.

 

[Taz Mangus]

I've had mine since christmas, it's run dogish the whole time, if disk warrior needs to be run on a new mac something's wrong in my mind. That being said it's probably a worthwhile app.

I have never run DiskWarrior for the purpose to speed up OS X. It can repair corruption on a hard drive that Disk Utility can't.

 

[Toltepeceno]

I have never run DiskWarrior for the purpose to speed up OS X. It can repair corruption on a hard drive that Disk Utility can't.

Ah, ok. Don't know that much about it personally.

 

[grahamperrin]

Mavericks is really good

Yosemite

… Is any of this stuff true

Yes.

or are those just trolls?

In my experience, rarely. And if you wonder about bots:

… many hours over a few days – going back through Twitter with various search terms, back to include tweets during the months when pre-releases were being tested. I now know that Twitter offers advanced search syntax that would have made the task less arduous, but I don't regret the work because ploughing through so much, in a concentrated way, left me with a strong impression that public comments on the looks of the pre-release were mostly favourable (point 10 above). I can't treat it as qualitative analysis, but I did get that impression.

That exercise, and others, with Twitter also gave me the impression that the majority of post-release tweets about the looks of Yosemite – some of which are posted by professionals – are not favourable.

A fraction of what I bookmarked http://tinyurl.com/1010uglystick might have been posted to Twitter by bots of some sort but I'm not beating myself up about that. There's plenty to be ridiculed/disliked/hated and if a bot can perform the ridicule, then I sort of admire whoever wrote the bot. (Note that I was not careless. Some of the Twitter accounts did appear odd and if I suspected that a bot was at work, I refrained from bookmarking. I blocked and reported a few accounts as a result of the exercises.) …

Mavericks

I used 10.9 for a year and I loved it, no issues.

I can't describe it as free from issues, but Mavericks is really good.

10.9 to be the last of the old school ?

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… People just love to complain about everything they can find on here

I can't make that generalisation.

Are voters in these forums more optimistic about Apple products than voters at large?

 

[AlterZgo]

I waited for a long time to upgrade due to thread like this where many complained about problems with Yosemite. However, I recently upgraded to Yosemite from Mavericks on my late 2008 MacPro and it ran flawlessly. No issues whatsoever.

I then bought a Retina iMac and ran into a problem transferring my apps and data from the MacPro to the iMac (Migration Assistant hung at 1 minute remaining for 6+ hours). So I erased the iMac hard drive and carbon copy cloned my MacPro hard drive (recently upgraded with Yosemite) over to the iMac hard drive and it booted up perfectly and has been running fine with no issues at all.

I had no problems using iCloud for the stuff I wanted (syncing bookmarks, iPhone and iPad to iMac, syncing iTunes music and apps back and forth btw iMac and iDevices) and didn't have any issues w/ Apple forcing me to use cloud stuff I didn't want (iCloud back up, photos in iCloud, continuity, etc.).

I've had no issues at all transitioning from Mavericks to Yosemite on both my MacPro or my retina iMac. Both systems boot up just as fast, if not a bit faster (both are on SSDs though), and I don't notice any sluggishness or any other issue.

 

[Miltz]

I think after reading all this I'm going to hold out a little longer on my PC. I really love using windows 7 64bit but I can't stand windows 8 or 10. Mavericks was great, but Yosemite sounds a lot like Windows ME. I'll wait till the fall. The RMBP 15" might be out then anyway.

 

[bbfc]

I have a love/hate relationship with Yosemite. Every so often it'll work perfectly well, performance will be good etc. usually after a reboot. But eventually it becomes bogged down and starts becoming slow. Apps and Finder take forever to load. Lots of bouncing etc. I'm really tempted to restore back to Mavericks. I have it on an external HD and boot into it every so often, and the more I do the more I miss the responsiveness Mavericks offered on my MacBook. My MBP might be coming up to 4 years old, but it should still be capable of running Yosemite.

 

[grahamperrin]

… I know far more people that like or don't mind Yosemite than people who don't like it.

I'd say the general consumer doesn't really care.

In an environment that's overwhelmingly Microsoft Windows software-oriented: when I get unsolicited comments about the environment, those people usually express a preference for Macs, but Yosemite is never mentioned.

I do receive unsolicited comments from people who are extraordinarily pleased with software that's new to them, but it's a cross-platform software title – from neither Apple nor Microsoft – that wows them. I'd describe these people as general consumers who do care – greatly – and when something is suitably pleasing, they're vocal about it.

 

[F1Mac]

In an environment that's overwhelmingly Microsoft Windows software-oriented: when I get unsolicited comments about the environment, those people usually express a preference for Macs, but Yosemite is never mentioned.

That's because for a lot of people, the new UI is just one detail, they don't care - and certainly aren't as passionate as the "Yosemite looks terrible" folks . "Still works fine, oh look, new icons!...cool!"

 

[Taz Mangus]

That's because for a lot of people, the new UI is just one detail, they don't care - and certainly aren't as passionate as the "Yosemite looks terrible" folks . "Still works fine, oh look, new icons!...cool!"

And I suspect the average Mac user is not even aware of what version of OS X they are using.

 

[Toltepeceno]

I wil come back and state that with 10.10.3 it's much better in my case. No more having to reboot constantly, less spinning beach ball. Still somewhat laggy but less than before, much less. I think by the time OSX 11 "Blacks Beach" (Reference to San Diego in the 70's) comes out this one will be jelled. I wish Apple would go to a 2 year release cycle and I think it would be much better.

One nagging thing that still happens is problems with the app store. Downloads constantly stick on waiting or if I pause them they go back to zero when I start them. Not ios app store, just mac app store.

 

[Traverse]

In an environment that's overwhelmingly Microsoft Windows software-oriented: when I get unsolicited comments about the environment, those people usually express a preference for Macs, but Yosemite is never mentioned.

I do receive unsolicited comments from people who are extraordinarily pleased with software that's new to them, but it's a cross-platform software title – from neither Apple nor Microsoft – that wows them. I'd describe these people as general consumers who do care – greatly – and when something is suitably pleasing, they're vocal about it.

My experience was with existing, non-tech savvy users of MBAs and an older non-retina MBP. One didn't even notice their OS was changed until I mentioned the 3D dock to which she responded "oh yeah, I remember that." Another said they liked the translucency. Others didn't care.

I really don't think many users get caught up in the UI as long as the machine fulfills their basic needs.

I personally don't care for it, but between the new Office and the new Ulysses app that looks to be what I've been waiting for I may finally update or update with 10.11.

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And I suspect the average Mac user is not even aware of what version of OS X they are using.

I agree. I knew one girl who didn't even realize she had updated from Mavericks to Yosemite. She said she just had it set to auto-update everything.

 

[grahamperrin]

… for a lot of people, the new UI is just one detail, they don't care - and certainly aren't as passionate as the "Yosemite looks terrible" folks …

What I found remarkable was the passion from people who are normally unemotional about software. It's a minority of users, but still remarkable.

In the context of this topic – Is Yosemite really that bad? – from the reactions of people around me, I'd say that it's really not good enough to provoke passionate reactions from those people. The passion's there, just not for Yosemite.

 

[bbfc]

I've just reinstalled Mavericks, and everything feels right again.

 

[doynton]

In the context of this topic – Is Yosemite really that bad? – from the reactions of people around me, I'd say that it's really not good enough to provoke passionate reactions from those people. The passion's there, just not for Yosemite.

Not that bad, no. The dark theme is nice, the sluggishness of Finder less so. Will I put Marvericks back? Nope. It just isn't interesting enough to me one way or the other and I certainly don't care about UI changes or emojii or whatever.

Presumably people who do care (or have a real problem like Wifi not working) have already changed back.

I agree - it is generally not different enough to get excited about.

 

[F1Mac]

There's one thing that just surprised me in Yosemite. afp servers navigation/copy/etc in previous OSes was extremely sluggish, slow, and unstable. Barely useable.

In Yosemite (10.10.3), I just mounted two macs on my desktop via afp, and it was like everything was done locally, smooth, fast. In that regard, Yosemite performed impressively well, I have to admit.

 

[e93to]

Installed Yosemite on 100gb partition on my late-2012 iMac, just to play the new Tomb Raider game... I haven't spent extensive amount of time on Yosemite partition, but I have to say it has been quite hassle-free. However, I notice the presence of scrolling stutter in Finder windows. And, for some unknown reason, I cannot get the folders to open in separate windows... Fortunately, wifi never disconnected.

As for my friends' experiences... Well, it's a different story. Some experience non-stop spinning fans and overheat issue while some experience whisper-quiet operation. Some experience lag while some experience improvements in overall performance. Some like it while others hate it. These friends' computers are 3 years old at most, and they are not quite knowledgable with Mac computers.

 

[dinepada]

Yosemite is very very slow compared to mavericks using HDD, if you have a SSD maybe yosemite will be faster...