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pika2000

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Remember the first iPhone. No app store, fixed number of first party apps, no wallpaper on home screen (only on lock screen). So I guess some things might have been too "fixed" to be messed with (maybe?)

My beef is, with every larger phone, things should start from the bottom, not the top screen. I mean having the first app on the furthest way from your thumb is just silly. Yes, there's reachability, but that takes extra steps to simply reach that first app on the upper left corner. On my android phone, I only put folders/apps on the bottom half of the screen, leaving the top half for widgets.

And to bring this further, the idea of notification access from the top most screen is also annoying with today's larger phone (this is also true on Android). This is why I prefer Apple's control center (from the bottom) vs stock Android's toggles that have to be invoked form the top most status bar.

I believe an innovative redesign would be a new UI that focus on ease of access from the bottom first.
 

Feenician

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Remember the first iPhone. No app store, fixed number of first party apps, no wallpaper on home screen (only on lock screen). So I guess some things might have been too "fixed" to be messed with (maybe?)

My beef is, with every larger phone, things should start from the bottom, not the top screen. I mean having the first app on the furthest way from your thumb is just silly. Yes, there's reachability, but that takes extra steps to simply reach that first app on the upper left corner. On my android phone, I only put folders/apps on the bottom half of the screen, leaving the top half for widgets.

And to bring this further, the idea of notification access from the top most screen is also annoying with today's larger phone (this is also true on Android). This is why I prefer Apple's control center (from the bottom) vs stock Android's toggles that have to be invoked form the top most status bar.

I believe an innovative redesign would be a new UI that focus on ease of access from the bottom first.

Have to say, there's some merit to that idea. Changing the gravity of the icon placement to the bottom makes sense on larger devices. Gosh though, imagine the "APPLE HAS RUINED MY IPHONE. I WAS USED TO IT" tears that would result.
 
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C DM

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Apples obsession with control, their incessant need to dictate, the jealousy over Googles popularity prevents Apple from using any of Androids many advantages.
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Functionality is far better when one is free to group icons in a manner that is logical and useful for the user.

However this requires independent thinking, logic and reason. The complacent user would rather let Apple dictate to them.
What happened to everyone using what they find best for themselves and not pointlessly putting something down?
Your statement is the first honest, intelligent comment I've read on this forum in a long time.

It's refreshing to see someone admit they simply have a preference for Apple over the competition... without making up stories about how bad other phones are, using examples that no longer hold true or that they've picked up from others old posts. Why so many forum members are obsessed with bashing Android in order to make their Apple choice look good is quite revealing.

I happen to enjoy both concurrently. As such, my first hand experience is priceless, quite interesting and very enjoyable. That's why I'm more than happy to spend the huge sum of money it takes to maintain multiple active phones each with their dedicated lines. I've been a multi platform smartphone enthusiast for years, it's been fascinating and satisfying.
 

ardchoille50

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Things might not be implemented to someone's liking, that doesn't mean that they are somehow "behind" because they are different. Things can be improved and some can be added, but in a lot of cases it's not because they are behind or bad, but because that's the design of the particular OS, which is evolving with time.

Widgets have been useful from the fist day. Can they be expanded and improved and are there people that want something different/more from them? Sure. Does that mean that they haven't been useful or are simply not good? No, mostly just different.

Same goes for icons and other customizations. Are there people who want more and can there be more options? Sure. Does the fact that there are fewer options and set ways of placing things means the OS is behind or bad? No, again, mostly just different.
Agreed. Perspective.. life is all about perspective.
 
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canucksfan88

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i hate how this is not possible. I would love to be able to choose:
  • grid system (3x, 4x, 5x)
  • snap icons to anywhere on grid
  • more then 4 icons in dock
  • have icons start from bottom rather then top
with larger devices, i don't understand why icons start from the top still.
 

opeepingtomo

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I can't believe anyone would think this isn't a practical idea. It always amazes me that there are people who don't want a feature and think it is stupid/pointless when it could be implemented and have no negative effect on them. I can understand in the instance where the change is a one-way street and you lose an existing method of operation, but that isn't the case here... it would be as easy as implementing a setting that could be turned on/off for "auto-arrange icons", then EVERYONE could be happy.

With the never add/change things complacent mentality the iPhone would be practically useless, regardless the reason of the addition or changes.



No position of ICONS is totally irrelevant - function is important. Amazing that this is still important to anyone

Is it really irrelevant? It is not purely cosmetic. Placement could be customized to be made more practical for one handed use, or to make a row stand out so it is easier to notice certain apps. How about so that when you rearrange you applications they don't move at their own will and it would take less steps. The ability to better organize your icons would also be a great benefit. Like I said, a simple on/off setting for this could please everyone.



I feel this is nothing more than a cosmetic change and wouldn't be worth the extra coding resources that would be spent implementing such a feature. And, remember, any new code can also bring in new software bugs.

I suppose, if someone were that unhappy with the icons, one could move to a different system. Just a thought.

Refer to above comment in regards to be it being only a cosmetic change (it's not).

Also, this is such a simple feature I doubt bugs here would be the issue. In that case though, why ever add any feature? The resources to implement this would be minimal and not cause any negative effects to those who like it the way it is if implemented correctly.

Changes, improvements, and new features come to an OS sometimes to give users more functionality / customization and/or to fulfill a want that users want. Would it be better for people to sit silently and if there is feature they would like to see that isn't available then just move to another OS or does it sound more practical to request the feature be added and also have a discussion with other people in hopes that it would be implemented one day?
 
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Feenician

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I can't believe anyone would think this isn't a practical idea. It always amazes me that there are people who don't want a feature and think it is stupid/pointless when it could be implemented and have no negative effect on them. I can understand in the instance where the change is a one-way street and you lose an existing method of operation, but that isn't the case here... it would be as easy as implementing a setting that could be turned on/off for "auto-arrange icons", then EVERYONE could be happy.

With the never add/change things complacent mentality the iPhone would be practically useless, regardless the reason of the addition or changes.





Is it really irrelevant? It is not purely cosmetic. Placement could be customized to be made more practical for one handed use, or to make a row stand out so it is easier to notice certain apps. How about so that when you rearrange you applications they don't move at their own will and it would take less steps. The ability to better organize your icons would also be a great benefit. Like I said, a simple on/off setting for this could please everyone.





Refer to above comment in regards to be it being only a cosmetic change (it's not).

Also, this is such a simple feature I doubt bugs here would be the issue. In that case though, why ever add any feature? The resources to implement this would be minimal and not cause any negative effects to those who like it the way it is if implemented correctly.

Changes, improvements, and new features come to an OS sometimes to give users more functionality / customization and/or to fulfill a want that users want. Would it be better for people to sit silently and if there is feature they would like to see that isn't available then just move to another OS or does it sound more practical to request the feature be added and also have a discussion with other people in hopes that it would be implemented one day?


Let's just add everything as an option and throw it into Settings.app. No, that's not what you said and I'm not putting words in your mouth but it is the logical conclusion of the line of thinking that just says "why can't the people who want it have it" for everything. In the end it leads to an unfocused rats nest of options and unmaintained code.
 
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Gathomblipoob

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I'd just like to see a five-column home screen. My Plus is big enough and the iPads certainly are.
 

ardchoille50

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I can't believe anyone would think this isn't a practical idea. It always amazes me that there are people who don't want a feature and think it is stupid/pointless when it could be implemented and have no negative effect on them. I can understand in the instance where the change is a one-way street and you lose an existing method of operation, but that isn't the case here... it would be as easy as implementing a setting that could be turned on/off for "auto-arrange icons", then EVERYONE could be happy.

With the never add/change things complacent mentality the iPhone would be practically useless, regardless the reason of the addition or changes.





Is it really irrelevant? It is not purely cosmetic. Placement could be customized to be made more practical for one handed use, or to make a row stand out so it is easier to notice certain apps. How about so that when you rearrange you applications they don't move at their own will and it would take less steps. The ability to better organize your icons would also be a great benefit. Like I said, a simple on/off setting for this could please everyone.





Refer to above comment in regards to be it being only a cosmetic change (it's not).

Also, this is such a simple feature I doubt bugs here would be the issue. In that case though, why ever add any feature? The resources to implement this would be minimal and not cause any negative effects to those who like it the way it is if implemented correctly.

Changes, improvements, and new features come to an OS sometimes to give users more functionality / customization and/or to fulfill a want that users want. Would it be better for people to sit silently and if there is feature they would like to see that isn't available then just move to another OS or does it sound more practical to request the feature be added and also have a discussion with other people in hopes that it would be implemented one day?
I know you'll never understand it, some folks cannot see beyond their own desires, but this is cosmetic.. nothing more. And, one-handed use? That was why Apple implemented Reachability.

I feel the problem here is that you want something so badly that you're unwilling to accept reality because it doesn't comply with your beliefs. Don't worry, you're not alone.. the world is filled with such people.
 

BigMcGuire

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As a heavy Nova Launcher user in my Android days (and I own a Samsung Tab S2 atm - with Nova) - LOVED the ability to put EVERYTHING on the home screen without need for folders. Do I wish the iPhone had this? Sure. I just use folders to keep everything on one page now (can't stand swiping).
 

opeepingtomo

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I know you'll never understand it, some folks cannot see beyond their own desires, but this is cosmetic.. nothing more. And, one-handed use? That was why Apple implemented Reachability.

I feel the problem here is that you want something so badly that you're unwilling to accept reality because it doesn't comply with your beliefs. Don't worry, you're not alone.. the world is filled with such people.


Funny, I don't want it that "badly" I just happened to be reorganizing my screens after and that's why i posted. Just seems rediculous that this basic functionality doesn't exist. K...
 
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C DM

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Funny, I don't want it that "badly" I just happened to be reorganizing my screens after and that's why i posted. Just seems rediculous that this basic functionality doesn't exist. K...
It's not about it being basic or not, it's about the design of the OS, and in the case of iOS the design is the grid that puts the icons together.
 

freepomme

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This thread has been bugging me. Who cares about positioning icons! ¯\(°_O)

I really don't give a damn. It would be a waste of time.
 

opeepingtomo

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It's not about it being basic or not, it's about the design of the OS, and in the case of iOS the design is the grid that puts the icons together.

The "design" of the OS should be ever evolving. Other "basic" features have been added over the course of time. I just think it's funny that a simple feature that should exist is even debatable. Can I live without it, yes, but is it kind of ridiculous that this option doesn't exist (yet or ever) when the design of iOS homescreens are centered around the icons... also, yes...

This thread has been bugging me. Who cares about positioning icons! ¯\(°_O)

I really don't give a damn. It would be a waste of time.

I know... they should make sure they keep the resources available to work on more stickers and emojis.
 

C DM

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The "design" of the OS should be ever evolving. Other "basic" features have been added over the course of time. I just think it's funny that a simple feature that should exist is even debatable. Can I live without it, yes, but is it kind of ridiculous that this option doesn't exist (yet or ever) when the design of iOS homescreens are centered around the icons... also, yes...



I know... they should make sure they keep the resources available to work on more stickers and emojis.
It's evolving here and there, and perhaps something like this will come about too, most likely only as part of a larger redesign. Nothing really ridiculous about it.
 

pika2000

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Have to say, there's some merit to that idea. Changing the gravity of the icon placement to the bottom makes sense on larger devices. Gosh though, imagine the "APPLE HAS RUINED MY IPHONE. I WAS USED TO IT" tears that would result.
The "gravity" concept can actually be neat. Apple can spin it into an option for "gravity," and if it's turned on, there's an animation of the icons rearranging themselves to the bottom (first falling off/bouncing, then settling to their new positions). It can be part of an accessibility option (thus the normal people won't be too "shocked")
However, I think Apple's "solution" is reachability, which is an extra step. *sigh
 
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