It's impossible to leave OS X - there is no competition!

[LeeW]

It's really all about use case and preference.

Windows 10 is not bad, I have a fairly powerful self-built Windows rig for gaming. For everything else macOS.

For what I do Linux would be considered the best option, as a desktop it sucks, I don't want that, Windows makes the process too difficult, the middle ground is macOS which allows me to do everything way more easily and faster. The majority agree with me when it comes to what I do in the open source community.

I still get more issues with something not working correctly or at all with Windows than macOS.

There is no right or wrong, only what is best for you.

 

[dogslobber]

I'm not disagreeing, but the OP's stating that on a Mac you don't have to pay for MS Office kind of sounds like Office is free if you have a Mac, which AFAIK, it is not true.

I seem to vaguely recall reading one could get Office 365 for free if it was for personal use. I can't recall the particulars so maybe I misread it.
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chrome no matter what is a memory hog but love the extensions for sure

The extensions are a godsend on Vivaldi for sure as you can easily install them from the Chrome store. It'll be very interesting when Edge has a Chrome engine as it will now be the same as Chrome. In other words, why download Chrome when you can get all your extensions within Edge with he Chrome engine. I think this will erode Google's competitive advantage as installing Chrome on Win 10 is suddenly moot.

 

[Honumaui]

I seem to vaguely recall reading one could get Office 365 for free if it was for personal use. I can't recall the particulars so maybe I misread it.
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The extensions are a godsend on Vivaldi for sure as you can easily install them from the Chrome store. It'll be very interesting when Edge has a Chrome engine as it will now be the same as Chrome. In other words, why download Chrome when you can get all your extensions within Edge with he Chrome engine. I think this will erode Google's competitive advantage as installing Chrome on Win 10 is suddenly moot.

I dont keep up on win rumor stuff to much ? so thanks and interesting if edge is going to chrome engine
will be curious what the differences will be

I do wish we would get proper wide screen support options for media that is my one thing and extensions are really hit or miss sadly

 

[SDColorado]

I dont keep up on win rumor stuff to much ? so thanks and interesting if edge is going to chrome engine
will be curious what the differences will be

I do wish we would get proper wide screen support options for media that is my one thing and extensions are really hit or miss sadly

As for the differences between Edge and Chrome, Neowin lists all of the Google features that Microsoft turned off or replaced in Edge.

https://www.neowin.net/news/these-a...s-that-microsoft-turned-off-in-chromium-edge/

Neowin does not make the distinction between what was turned off vs replaced in their comparison. So that is a bit unclear.

And of course perhaps the most important addition to Edge is PlayReady DRM, which allows support for 4K streaming such as Netflix.

Dev and Beta versions can be downloaded from Edge Insider for PC currently, with Mac versions coming soon.

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download/

 

[TSE]

I do miss MacOS - the stability, ease of use, and interface are still unmatched by Windows 10 - although Windows 10 isn't bad.

The primary reasons why I went with a Windows PC this time around is that I needed to run Windows for Solidworks (don't give me the run in with the Boot Camp BS - Apple drivers for Windows are terrible), and the current hardware reliability and pricing scared me away. We'll see if my XPS holds up and I don't regret my decision down the road.

 

[derekamoss]

Two weeks ago I got my wife a Surface Laptop 2 instead of what she really wanted (a MBA) mainly due to the keyboard issues. This is our first non-Apple PC in over 10 years but I do use W10 daily at work. She didn't mind the SL2 as she's mostly working in VMware and O365 so the OS choice wasn't critical.

I've been using her SL2 for an hour or so daily, just trying to see if I like it and whether a total switch to W10 at home would work for me.

This is totally subjective and I hate to say it but I feel somewhat similar to the OP. There's something intangible about macOS's usability that even though I can do most of the same things in W10, it just doesn't feel as good or as polished an experience. The trackpad on the SL2 is great but it's still a far cry from Apple's in terms of both hardware and gestures. I've had to install a bunch of apps in W10 to try to replicate what's build into macOS and it still feels off and clunky. So much so that I just cannot see a switch in my future.

Having said that, there's a lot to like about the hardware on the SL2, namely the keyboard, windows hello is fantastic, and the screen. My only hope is that Apple gets its s*!t together and fixes the MacBook Pro's KB once and for all, and perhaps add FaceID to the mac.

You have to consider in how much of that polish and feel good is actually just comfort and how much you are accustomed to it. When I first switched to Macs from Windows in 1999 I didn't like how uncomfortable it felt and thought it was a step down from Windows. After using it I realized a lot of my dislike was just my unwillingness to change and forget old habits and learn new ones and eventually fell in love with it. When I jumped back to Windows it took an adjustment and at first I missed OS X alot but now I'm at the poimt where I feel both are great Operating Systems. However, I believe macOS has stalled pretty much since 10.6. Instead of really adding new desktop features, they are just porting already known iOS features. Up until Snow Leopard they were adding and adding as much as they can and then took a much need break for optimizing but they really have never come back out of that optimizing phase.

 

[jrichards1408]

i have noticed how the OP made this thread and ran away it seems...

umm suspicious??

 

[maflynn]

i have noticed how the OP made this thread and ran away it seems...

umm suspicious??

Typical, pull the pin, throw the grenade and run away.

I'm not saying windows is perfect, nor am I saying that macOS is and its clear this thread is full of hyperbole and fanboyism. As I've said many times, both platforms have advantages and disadvantages. I like what macOS has to offer but the quality of the hardware far outweigh any possible advantages against windows. Plus as I mentioned, my specific usage patterns are better within windows, in terms of services and apps. The apps I use are simply better in windows then macOS.

 

[SDColorado]

Wasn't the thread also moved? I could have sworn it was in the main section, rather than alternatives. I am not sure if that is why the OP hasn't returned, but sometimes I think people lose track of where moved threads go, especially if Alternatives isn't a thread they follow. I may also be misremembering it ever being in the main section

 

[maflynn]

Wasn't the thread also moved?

Yes, one of the other moderators moved the thread.

 

[jrichards1408]

Typical, pull the pin, throw the grenade and run away.

I'm not saying windows is perfect, nor am I saying that macOS is and its clear this thread is full of hyperbole and fanboyism. As I've said many times, both platforms have advantages and disadvantages. I like what macOS has to offer but the quality of the hardware far outweigh any possible advantages against windows. Plus as I mentioned, my specific usage patterns are better within windows, in terms of services and apps. The apps I use are simply better in windows then macOS.

Sounds like the op was being a troll.

Not good

 

[SDColorado]

Yes, one of the other moderators moved the thread.

So not just me going crazy then. I can’t decide if it even makes any sense for it to be in this section, though obviously not my call

 

[lcseds]

I like MacOS a bunch. But it runs on Mac hardware. And that is my struggle of late. Features, value for the dollar, design decisions, etc are keeping me in a holding pattern for Apple machines. Right now I am comfortably on a XPS 15 and Win 10 desktop. (I'll keep my iPad and iPhone though...). I think many complaints on Windows is from folks that have not invested the time to customize Win10.

 

[TSE]

Sounds like the op was being a troll.

Not good

I don't mind as it led to some good thoughts and discussion. He was a positive troll.

 

[SDColorado]

I think many complaints on Windows is from folks that have not invested the time to customize Win10.

Or haven't used it in years. Or have limited experience with using it. Or use it at work where it becomes associated with work rather than MacOS which they use for relaxation and enjoyment at home and away from work. I am not saying that is the case for everyone. People are going to like what they like and dislike what they don't. But I do think things like that can be factors.

 

[jrichards1408]

Or haven't used it in years. Or have limited experience with using it. Or use it at work where it becomes associated with work rather than MacOS which they use for relaxation and enjoyment at home and away from work. I am not saying that is the case for everyone. People are going to like what they like and dislike what they don't. But I do think things like that can be factors.

I'd trust someone who has actually used both compared to either camps that barely touched the other side.

Like I said here before I've been using Windows since 3.1 and from 2013 until 2017 I was using just mac for coding photography etc and only used Windows for gaming.

Now I've gone back to Windows because the os is same as Osx in terms of reliability. Ease of use and speed.

I opted for Windows again because why should I spend 2x to use Osx? I wouldn't mind using Osx in my X1 for example

 

[SDColorado]

I'd trust someone who has actually used both compared to either camps that barely touched the other side.

Like I said here before I've been using Windows since 3.1 and from 2013 until 2017 I was using just mac for coding photography etc and only used Windows for gaming.

Now I've gone back to Windows because the os is same as Osx in terms of reliability. Ease of use and speed.

I opted for Windows again because why should I spend 2x to use Osx? I wouldn't mind using Osx in my X1 for example

Before buying a Surface Pro 5 in 2017, I hadn't used Windows since the XP days and my wife hadn't used it since early Vista, so I certainly had my prejudices and biases toward Windows when I had a look at the Surface Pro. Honestly to the point where when I purchased the first one I thought "What the heck have I gotten myself into" and returned it.

But stepping away from it for a couple of weeks, I decided there were a lot of things I really liked about the device and Windows 10 and decided to repurchase and make a commitment to learning more about using Windows 10.

Now I happily use both my Surface Pro and my Macs and find that there are things that I love about both and things that frustrate me about either.

Such as today with MacOS. I had to send a photo that was sent to me via Apple Message to someone else via attachment through a portal communication. Rather than just being able to save the file directly through Apple Messages to downloads, I had to save it to Photos, where I then had to export the photo to downloads so that I could attach it. Really Apple? What if I don't want the photo in my Photos or simply don't like your Photos app? Why the nonsense of importing to photos and exporting? Or am I missing something there? Don't get me started on not being able to change the "any key" will power on the laptop and why I can't change that in Mojave either.

But Windows has its own set of annoyances as well.

 

[StralyanPithecus]

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Such as today with MacOS. I had to send a photo that was sent to me via Apple Message to someone else via attachment through a portal communication. Rather than just being able to save the file directly through Apple Messages to downloads, I had to save it to Photos, where I then had to export the photo to downloads so that I could attach it. Really Apple? What if I don't want the photo in my Photos or simply don't like your Photos app? Why the nonsense of importing to photos and exporting? Or am I missing something there? Don't get me started on not being able to change the "any key" will power on the laptop and why I can't change that in Mojave either.

But Windows has its own set of annoyances as well.

Drag the photo to wherever folder, desktop or place you want it to be and done, just checked now and works fine, not need to go through the photos app.

 

[derekamoss]

How did you conclude that Windows is more optimized than macOS? Microsoft has certainly made a lot of mistakes with Windows q0 and that shows that they don’t really know what they want from the OS. At first it was all about UWP apps, but they failed. The OS is still a weird mix of modern UI and Win32. All operating systems have issues, and of course each of us makes his/her own experience, but my experience with Windows 10 is that it is still not as smooth as macOS. I have been using Surface devices for the last three years (and I still do), and while 90% of the time everything works ok, there are moments where the OS will show some lag, or that Windows Explorer will hang, or where the system will become slow until you set the power settings to better performance. I certainly do not have such issues with my MBP. On top of that add the better text rendering and support of HiDPI displays on macOS.
I still use Windows in my work, but for my private life there is not a chance that I would start using Windows.

I came to the same conclusion when someone I know bought a cheap cheap windows tablet with two gbs of ram and a very slow processor and it ran decent. I mean she couldnt have Word, Excel, Edge with multiple tabs opened, and editing photos all at the exact same time but with managing the Apps she was able to do at least most of them at the same time. Microsoft has done a lot towards optimizing Windows for laptops and tablets with low memory and it really has a small footprint now. I gaurantee macOS would not be able to run on any machine with 2gbs ram.

 

[LeeW]

Typical, pull the pin, throw the grenade and run away.

i have noticed how the OP made this thread and ran away it seems...umm suspicious??

The OP made a thread, gave his/her view on something and left it at that. Why is that suspicious or running away? The issue with too many threads on MR, is that right there ^^

 

[maflynn]

The OP made a thread, gave his/her view on something and left it at that. Why is that suspicious or running away? The issue with too many threads on MR, is that right there ^^

Because as a discussion forum, people expect to discuss the topic, not just throw out a few blurbs and walk away.

 

[LeeW]

Because as a discussion forum, people expect to discuss the topic, not just throw out a few blurbs and walk away.

The dozens of posts after the OP posted made it a discussion, the OP does not need to return and defend his viewpoint, but as you said:

its clear this thread is full of hyperbole and fanboyism.

The OP has seen the replies, probably why he has not bothered coming back to it.

 

[jrichards1408]

The OP made a thread, gave his/her view on something and left it at that. Why is that suspicious or running away? The issue with too many threads on MR, is that right there ^^

More like they created a troll thread baiting people and ran away.

Good thing most here are mature posters so there hasn't been much if any fanboy troll comments afterwards but definetly suspect from the op to bail out

 

[LeeW]

More like they created a troll thread baiting people and ran away.

That's not what the OP's posting history suggests. It just fits your vision of what you want it to be.

Good thing most here are mature posters so there hasn't been much if any fanboy troll comments afterwards

Again, not according to the moderator.

its clear this thread is full of hyperbole and fanboyism.

 

[SDColorado]

Drag the photo to wherever folder, desktop or place you want it to be and done, just checked now and works fine, not need to go through the photos app.

Just attempted to do that from Apple Messages and for whatever reason, it is not working. It shows a green circle with a white + sign when I drag it into the folder, but after I let go... nothing.

Edit: Actually, even more annoying. Despite dragging the photo and it showing the photo in the folder along with the green circle with a white + sign. The photo I am trying to copy is not being copied but rather a text message 3 texts below that photo is. Despite the fact that text message isn't even remotely being selected.

Edit 2: Just tried with another photo that was from a week before and about 30 messages up. Guess what copied. Not the photo I selected this time, but another photo in that text stream from further down the list. Seems a bit random as far as what you get vs what you select. Do you know what would be easier? The option to just save it where I want instead of only Add to Photos Library or Use Image as Desktop Picture as options. What is wrong with just good old "Save Image As...?"