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StralyanPithecus

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Just attempted to do that from Apple Messages and for whatever reason, it is not working. It shows a green circle with a white + sign when I drag it into the folder, but after I let go... nothing.

Edit: Actually, even more annoying. Despite dragging the photo and it showing the photo in the folder along with the green circle with a white + sign. The photo I am trying to copy is not being copied but rather a text message 3 texts below that photo is. Despite the fact that text message isn't even remotely being selected.

Edit 2: Just tried with another photo that was from a week before and about 30 messages up. Guess what copied. Not the photo I selected this time, but another photo in that text stream from further down the list. Seems a bit random as far as what you get vs what you select. Do you know what would be easier? The option to just save it where I want instead of only Add to Photos Library or Use Image as Desktop Picture as options. What is wrong with just good old "Save Image As...?" :)
Maybe you installed something that interferes with finder like “Default Folder X”? Mine works perfectly all the time.
 

The Samurai

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Such as today with MacOS. I had to send a photo that was sent to me via Apple Message to someone else via attachment through a portal communication. Rather than just being able to save the file directly through Apple Messages to downloads, I had to save it to Photos, where I then had to export the photo to downloads so that I could attach it.

Why not drag and drop the photo from iMessage onto your desktop?
 

SDColorado

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Why not drag and drop the photo from iMessage onto your desktop?

Hi. Thanks for the reply. Dragging the photo to my desktop does seem to work consistently whereas for some odd reason dragging it to a folder was not. But even then, the desktop is not where I want the file to reside as a permanent location, so it still requires an additional step of dragging it again to where I finally wish to save it.

Another solution I found works is to select the photo, click Open and then save it where I wish to save it. Still a Simple one-stop "Save Image As..." in the same menu section where Apple included "Add to Photo Library" and "Use Image as Desktop Picture" would have been simple. I would bet that there are more people who wish to save a texted photo in a specific location than there are people who wish to use a texted photo as a desktop image, but perhaps I am wrong :)
 

Cape Dave

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I'm IT as my job, and support hundreds of Windows and MacOS clients (as well as Linux and Windows Servers) so i am exposed to all 3 main platforms daily , MacOS is always my preferred go to OS despite running Windows since i was teenager in the 90s and only getting my first Mac in 2011 running Lion. If i could have the Windows NT 4 or Windows 2000 GUI i might be torn back to Windows , but i absolutely loathe the Windows interface now and at home Windows 10 is just a steam launcher. Our whole IT department now have slowly but surely moved to Mac as their preferred choice after years of being Windows only, they have had enough of Windows now, its seen more of a hindrance we have to have purely because of certain programs.
Stardock is your friend.
 

maflynn

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Stardock is your friend.
I've been a user of stardock on and off since they produced OS/2 apps. With that said, there seems to be less of a need for some of their apps, but they do provide some handy utilities.
 

xraydoc

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For me, Windows 10 on my Surface Book 2 has been very stable, fast and highly usable. I often use it at my desk on a 27” 4K monitor with a Surface Keyboard and Surface Performance mouse.

It does things differently than OS X (obviously), but I can’t say anymore that OS X has the advantage. Even OS X’s QuickView can be replaced with an app store add-on (which works for all file types of consequence). I get the most complete version of Microsoft Office (critical for my job), and Chrome on Win10 is noticeably faster than either Safari or Chrome was on my MacBook Pro.
 

vaugha

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For me, Windows 10 on my Surface Book 2 has been very stable, fast and highly usable. I often use it at my desk on a 27” 4K monitor with a Surface Keyboard and Surface Performance mouse.

It does things differently than OS X (obviously), but I can’t say anymore that OS X has the advantage. Even OS X’s QuickView can be replaced with an app store add-on (which works for all file types of consequence). I get the most complete version of Microsoft Office (critical for my job), and Chrome on Win10 is noticeably faster than either Safari or Chrome was on my MacBook Pro.

I agree w/ you. W10 has come a long way to the point where I no longer can conclusively say it is inferior to macos in pretty much every aspect which by the way a few years ago I used to tout. Now it's a moot point. I really like the w10's stark minimal ui design language but hate the inconsistencies and old w95 footprints that are entrenched throughout the entire os. The dark mode in w10 is a complete trash compared to the macos' counterpart. W10 for me isn't very stable so I can't really give points to w10 for stability but I prefer its faster boot/shutdown times and the modern ui which I prefer to macos.
 
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xraydoc

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I agree w/ you. W10 has come a long way to the point where I no longer can conclusively say it is inferior to macos in pretty much every aspect which by the way a few years ago I used to tout. Now it's a moot point. I really like the w10's stark minimal ui design language but hate the inconsistencies and old w95 footprints that are entrenched throughout the entire os. The dark mode in w10 is a complete trash compared to the macos' counterpart. W10 for me isn't very stable so I can't really give points to w10 for stability but I prefer its faster boot/shutdown times and the modern ui which I prefer to macos.
I don’t tend to use dark modes, so I’m not too bothered by the state of incompleteness in Windows’ implementation.
And I agree that there are some places in Windows that still look like they’re from the Windows NT days (which, presumably, they actually are).
What I do like is how the Windows UI takes up less space than similar designs on MacOS (can seemingly fit more on to a laptop-sized screen) and, with modern huge 4K monitors, how the menu bars are attached to app windows versus MacOS’s top menu bar. Back when monitors were way smaller, I preferred the Mac’s implementation. Now, however, with 30” 4K monitors, it just doesn’t make sense anymore.
 
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It all depends on what you want your OS to do. I want mine to stay out of my way. Windows and macOS are both pretty dismal in that regard and try to impose a method of working that is completely orthogonal to how I want to work.

Give me cwm on a BSD and I am happy.
 

sracer

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For me, Windows 10 on my Surface Book 2 has been very stable, fast and highly usable. I often use it at my desk on a 27” 4K monitor with a Surface Keyboard and Surface Performance mouse.

It does things differently than OS X (obviously), but I can’t say anymore that OS X has the advantage. Even OS X’s QuickView can be replaced with an app store add-on (which works for all file types of consequence). I get the most complete version of Microsoft Office (critical for my job), and Chrome on Win10 is noticeably faster than either Safari or Chrome was on my MacBook Pro.
I spend a lot of time each day working in both Windows 10 and macOS. What I have found is that out-of-the-box, macOS is optimized and ready-to-go from a performance and productivity perspective. Windows 10 out-of-the-box is barely adequate... or needs significantly more resources to attain a comparable level of performance.

But... after I tweak Win10, de-bloat it, disable telemetry, lock it down, and restrict Windows Update to only update when *I* want it, I have found it to be superior to macOS. Obviously the average user isn't going to do that, but for those who can, the difference is quite striking.

The difference is so dramatic that it can take something like the Asus Vivobook E203MA (2GB RAM/ 32GB storage) which in its vanilla state should be criminal to sell, to something that is surprisingly snappy and useful. Without tweaking, there would be a little less than 9GB free on the internal eMMC. After tweaking, 16-17GB free... and that is with MS Office installed.

It has caused me to re-think where I land as I exit Appleland. I was leaning toward Linux but if I can continue to configure Windows like this, it will be a contender.
 
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lowendlinux

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I have a MacPro and a Linux box on my desk if I was forced to sell one It's be the Mac not because I don't like it but because my linux box is quieter and it's easier to do most of what I want on it.

For me the issue is less bang for the buck and more flexibility and the PC side offers more of that atleast on the desktop. I've been using an iPad as a laptop for about a year it's been good but I'm ready to buy an actual laptop which will probably be a Librem 13 https://puri.sm/products/librem-13/
 
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hajime

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I spend a lot of time each day working in both Windows 10 and macOS. What I have found is that out-of-the-box, macOS is optimized and ready-to-go from a performance and productivity perspective. Windows 10 out-of-the-box is barely adequate... or needs significantly more resources to attain a comparable level of performance.

But... after I tweak Win10, de-bloat it, disable telemetry, lock it down, and restrict Windows Update to only update when *I* want it, I have found it to be superior to macOS. Obviously the average user isn't going to do that, but for those who can, the difference is quite striking.

The difference is so dramatic that it can take something like the Asus Vivobook E203MA (2GB RAM/ 32GB storage) which in its vanilla state should be criminal to sell, to something that is surprisingly snappy and useful. Without tweaking, there would be a little less than 9GB free on the internal eMMC. After tweaking, 16-17GB free... and that is with MS Office installed.

It has caused me to re-think where I land as I exit Appleland. I was leaning toward Linux but if I can continue to configure Windows like this, it will be a contender.

What is mean by lock it down? What does disabling telemetry has to do with making W10 more superior to macos? How to de-bloat it?
 

maflynn

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What is mean by lock it down? What does disabling telemetry has to do with making W10 more superior to macos? How to de-bloat it?
I think he means turning off the phone-home services that are baked into windows

As for debloat - just uninstall. Many windows machines have very little bloat (other then candy crush)
 

sracer

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What is mean by lock it down? What does disabling telemetry has to do with making W10 more superior to macos? How to de-bloat it?
Before I answer your questions, I need to offer a disclaimer... I'm a software developer and systems engineer for over 40 years. I do things that the "mainstream" consumer doesn't do (nor should they do). I'm not advocating that anyone else do to their systems what I do with mine.


Q. What does it mean to "lock down" Windows 10?
A. Windows has a lot of background services that do things that I don't need them to do. I'll go in and disable those services. Some of these services will be re-activated by Windows Update so I also disable the Windows Update service. WU can sometimes attempt to re-enable itself, so I have a tool for that.

When *I* decide I want Windows to update itself, *I* will allow it.

By default, Windows will keep Windows Update files on your system and upload bits and pieces of the update to other people who need Windows Update files. This kind of distributed processing helps reduce overall network traffic but is pretty disrespectful of the customer IMO. It is things like that, that are the cause of many of Windows 10's issues. I lock that down and prevent it from doing that.

I also disable Cortana.

Q. What does disabling telemetry in Windows 10 have to do with making it better than macOS?
A. Disabling telemetry is a subset of the things I do when I lock down Windows 10.


Q. How do you de-bloat Windows 10?
A. There are different definitions of bloatware. Some bloatware is installed by the hardware vendor. That is the common definition. But with Windows 10 there is bloatware installed by Microsoft itself. All of those Modern UI apps like "News" and "Sports" are bloatware. They don't necessarily take up a lot of disk space but if they're active they take up processor and network resources to update themselves and their content.
There are various scripts floating around the 'net to automate/simplify the process of removing the "bloat".

tl;dr: I remove all the things that make Windows 10, Windows 10, to attempt to get Windows down to the "bare metal".
I think Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry Pro is the best version of Windows, and I have that installed on my Lenovo IdeaPad, but I can make Windows 10 Home get real close to that.

Having done all that, Windows 10 behaves like older versions of Windows but with a newer core. It's fast, small, stable, and can run all of the software that I need... and for those apps that have both Windows and macOS versions, the Windows versions are superior to their macOS counterparts.

When I can pick up a brand new $120 11" notebook and tweak it to be quite useful and usable, that's superior IMO. Taking similar steps with more expensive, higher horsepower Windows systems have even better results.

As for Linux, that's a topic for a separate post, but in short, it is a fantastic option for those who want to leave macOS. The greatest impediment to moving on from macOS isn't a technical one in most cases, but more of habit.
 
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hajime

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Under Mac OS, we click on the calendar app and enter events easily. We can also see a bunch of events on the calendar. In Windows 10, doubling clicking the date on the bottom right does not allow entering or viewing of events. I think we need to add Outlook, gmail, exchange, google, yahoo and iCloud account first before we can do that. Am I correct? Which account do you recommend? Am I correct that if I have an iPhone, choosing iCloud will automatically sync the calendar on my iPhone/iPad with my Windows laptop and desktop?
 

derekamoss

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Under Mac OS, we click on the calendar app and enter events easily. We can also see a bunch of events on the calendar. In Windows 10, doubling clicking the date on the bottom right does not allow entering or viewing of events. I think we need to add Outlook, gmail, exchange, google, yahoo and iCloud account first before we can do that. Am I correct? Which account do you recommend? Am I correct that if I have an iPhone, choosing iCloud will automatically sync the calendar on my iPhone/iPad with my Windows laptop and desktop?
If i click on the date in windows it pops up and underneath the calander grid, it shows my appointments that day and the ability to add any to that date with the click of the + button
 
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russell_314

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I don't agree with the OP that it's "impossible to leave OS X" AKA Mac OS but it can be difficult if you're used to one OS then wish to change. I think both Windows and Mac OS have their strengths and weaknesses. Weaknesses for Mac OS would be the OS locked to hardware (Apple has legitimate reasons for this) and less support for software and games. Weaknesses for Windows OS would be ease of use, reliability and security. I use and enjoy both on a daily basis. Neither one is terrible and for me they work perfectly fine.

Disclaimer: The above is solely the opinion of myself. I don't work for Apple or Microsoft nor do I claim to have technical knowledge above the user level.
 

AndyMacAndMic

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In Windows 10, doubling clicking the date on the bottom right does not allow entering or viewing of events.
Yes it does.

First of all: you don't have to double click on the date/time on the bottom right. A single click is enough (this applies to all icons in the taskbar) to open the date grid.

Second: if you click on a date in the grid you see all events below the grid.
Third: if you click on the plus sign below the date grid it allows you to enter a new event.
Fourth: If you click on an event below the date grid you can edit it's contents or delete it completely.

I think we need to add Outlook, gmail, exchange, google, yahoo and iCloud account first before we can do that. Am I correct?

No, obviously you are not correct.
 
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hajime

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Yes it does.

First of all: you don't have to double click on the date/time on the bottom right. A single click is enough (as for all things in the taskbar) to open the date grid.

Second: if you click on a date in the grid you see all events below the grid.
Third: if you click on the plus sign below the date grid it allows you to enter a new event.
Fourth: If you click on an event below the date grid you can edit it's contents or delete it completely.



No, you are not correct.

I am in front of the computer. I clicked on the date/time on the bottom right once. A calendar shows up. Since I have not entered anything nor synced the calendar with anything, there is no event. Now, I try to enter a new event by clicking on the plus sign. A new windows shows up on the screen mentioning about adding account to sync multiple devices. Now I know I missed the small line about adding events. Thanks. In case I want to sync with the calendar on my iPhone, should I choose iCloud?
 

maflynn

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Just use outlook and with icloud for windows you can integrate your appointments into outlook.

Sure you can double click the time/date in the notification but that uses windows built in calendar app which I believe is less feature rich then if you were to use outlook.
 
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