"It's not a phone, it's a Galaxy"

[jamezr]

Is it so hard for you to understand that I'm talking about people from other websites saying that? Am I not allowed to do that? Why do you insist on bringing up the same thing over and over?

lol...so I guess Samsung is doomed.......

See how out of context and nonsensical that sounds. It's done when people are losing an argument so they try misdirection and throw something out that makes no sense.

 

[Andres Cantu]

lol...so I guess Samsung is doomed.......

See how out of context and nonsensical that sounds. It's done when people are losing an argument so they try misdirection and throw something out that makes no sense.

So in your opinion I lost the argument? That's cute. You're the one that chose to never answer my question about Samsung sales because you know I'm right. Misdirection about Sansung on a thread about them? Right.

But I don't feel like wasting anymore time with someone who refuses to answer a simple question.

 

[jamezr]

So in your opinion I lost the argument? That's cute. You're the one that chose to never answer my question about Samsung sales because you know I'm right. Misdirection about Sansung on a thread about them? Right.

But I don't feel like wasting anymore time with someone who refuses to answer a simple question.

Samsung is doomed!

 

[pdqgp]

It's true that I'm making a ton of assumptions, but it's funny how you can't defend Samsung for not disclosing any sales figures. Why is that?

I don't think anyone is defending them. IMO why would they disclose the sales numbers?

 

[pdqgp]

Not harsher than all the "Apple is doomed!" people, even after the iPhone 6's success.

I've not seen anyone here say they were doomed. I think the mid 90's called as that's about when last I heard something like that.

 

[Andres Cantu]

I don't think anyone is defending them. IMO why would they disclose the sales numbers?

Exactly my point. They don't have the sales, so they can't disclose bad numbers or they would look bad.

I've not seen anyone here say they were doomed. I think the mid 90's called as that's about when last I heard something like that.

If you read my posts above, you'll see that I'm taking about comments from other websites, which aparently is a sin to SOME around here

 

[pdqgp]

Exactly my point. They don't have the sales, so they can't disclose bad numbers or they would look bad.

or could it be that revealing them has absolutely nothing to offer them either way. If it were my decision there I wouldn't reveal them either. Again, offers nothing.

If you read my posts above, you'll see that I'm taking about comments from other websites, which aparently is a sin to SOME around here

thread is a train wreck so no, I didn't read them all. In the end speaking of comments on other sites is like quoting the internet in general so it really isn't meaningful here. I can probably find a quote that says everyone is doomed somewhere in cyberspace.

 

[Andres Cantu]

or could it be that revealing them has absolutely nothing to offer them either way. If it were my decision there I wouldn't reveal them either. Again, offers nothing.




thread is a train wreck so no, I didn't read them all. In the end speaking of comments on other sites is like quoting the internet in general so it really isn't meaningful here. I can probably find a quote that says everyone is doomed somewhere in cyberspace.

It's a possibility, but I don't see it like that. Samsung would be boasting about how great their devices are selling if that were the case. Same thing with the Apple Watch. Tim Cook hasn't said anything at all because sales probably are not as great as he'd hoped for.

That's fair enough. The thread might be a train wreck by this point, but at least the conversations were good for a while

 

[pdqgp]

It's a possibility, but I don't see it like that. Samsung would be boasting about how great their devices are selling if that were the case. Same thing with the Apple Watch. Tim Cook hasn't said anything at all because sales probably are not as great as he'd hoped for.

You have an odd understanding of how the business world works. But hey, it makes for interesting banter on a message board I suppose.

 

[Andres Cantu]

You have an odd understanding of how the business world works. But hey, it makes for interesting banter on a message board I suppose.

I suppose I do! Everyone else likes to go by the numbers (for good reason), but when there are none, you can only go by your gut. My gut is telling me Samsung phones are not selling as well as they used to due to many reasons: the larger iPhones and the less-expensive Android alternatives, the disappointment of the fans of removable storage and batteries (or the iPhone-ification of the Galaxy series), the promotions for the new Galaxy phones that were launched literally one right after the other, and the current price of the stock ($875) vs. the $1,500 it was at in the Galaxy S3 days.

Shouldn't be too long before we know if I was right or wrong

 

[GadgetSN]

Its clear Samsung devices aren't selling as they have hoped. Upcoming earnings figures will confirm that.

However, as a company, Samsung make massive amounts of profits so are far from being in any danger of bankruptcy or anything similar.

They just need to adapt to the fact that they will never earn as much as they have in the past due to how the market has evolved. This is the thing that they are reluctant to accept and is why we have Samsung making the business/product choices they do.

Samsung will never have anywhere near the same following as Apple in the high end space because of the prestige of their Brand as a whole or rather lack of prestige.

Samsung for example could never sell an equivalent Gold Watch at ludicrous amounts of money that celebs would buy.

 

[Andres Cantu]

Its clear Samsung devices aren't selling as they have hoped. Upcoming earnings figures will confirm that.

However, as a company, Samsung make massive amounts of profits so are far from being in any danger of bankruptcy or anything similar.

They just need to adapt to the fact that they will never earn as much as they have in the past due to how the market has evolved.

Thank you for this post! Finally found someone who agrees with me and is not in denial regarding the sales numbers from Samsung's latest phones

I also agree that Samsung as a company is not doomed, but their smartphone sales are definitely not heading in the right direction.

 

[pdqgp]

I suppose I do! Everyone else likes to go by the numbers (for good reason), but when there are none, you can only go by your gut.

Not sure who you mean by "everyone else" or "go by the numbers." Are you saying that sales figures influence buying decisions?

My gut is telling me Samsung phones are not selling as well as they used to due to many reasons: the larger iPhones and the less-expensive Android alternatives, the disappointment of the fans of removable storage and batteries (or the iPhone-ification of the Galaxy series)

I don't think removable storage or batteries is a miniscule percentage. I've covered this before.

In terms of competition, no doubt the cheaper Android and broader range offerings are impacting them. iPhone's sell well too but then Chevy sells a ton of cars and People flock to Walmarts.

the promotions for the new Galaxy phones that were launched literally one right after the other, and the current price of the stock ($875) vs. the $1,500 it was at in the Galaxy S3 days. Shouldn't be too long before we know if I was right or wrong

So like many iPhone fans you rave to have Apple bend you over for $$ and ask for it twice. You're right about the knowing who is right and who is wrong.

 

[Andres Cantu]

Not sure who you mean by "everyone else" or "go by the numbers." Are you saying that sales figures influence buying decisions?



I don't think removable storage or batteries is a miniscule percentage. I've covered this before.

In terms of competition, no doubt the cheaper Android and broader range offerings are impacting them. iPhone's sell well too but then Chevy sells a ton of cars and People flock to Walmarts.



So like many iPhone fans you rave to have Apple bend you over for $$ and ask for it twice. You're right about the knowing who is right and who is wrong.

With "Everyone else" I meant not me and with "go by the numbers" I meant sales numbers, which can influence some buyers.

The iPhone's sales I don't really care too much about, it's the profit that really counts, as I'm sure businesses would know.

For the last point, there is no need for your dirty words. Perhaps you haven't seen another thread where I gave the iPhone 6s a difficult time for not changing some features, but I'm not a blind Apple fan like you're implying. Then again, what do I know what you meant if you have to resort to saying things they way you did.

 

[Sevanw]

With "Everyone else" I meant not me and with "go by the numbers" I meant sales numbers, which can influence some buyers.

The iPhone's sales I don't really care too much about, it's the profit that really counts, as I'm sure businesses would know.

For the last point, there is no need for your dirty words. Perhaps you haven't seen another thread where I gave the iPhone 6s a difficult time for not changing some features, but I'm not a blind Apple fan like you're implying. Then again, what do I know what you meant if you have to resort to saying things they way you did.

Nothing wrong with being a blind follower. People just need to be open about it, at which time nobody can say your an apologist. To each their own. That being said, blind followers are the worst kind of consumer. They ruin it for the rest of us in any particular industry. Corporations love blind followers. The blind follower gives corporations max profits with minimum effort. To be honest, if it weren't for the Android OEMs and it's demanding consumers, the faithful Apple buyer would still be looking at a 3.5 inch screen and 5MP camera. In the next 2 years expect to see a round Apple watch, and as usual, expect the blind followers to change their tune about round smartwatches, and praise the decision. Remember how the big android screens were unwieldy and the butt of jokes on Apple forums? And now? We've all been on this carnival ride. Rinse, repeat.

 

[Andres Cantu]

Nothing wrong with being a blind follower. People just need to be open about it, at which time nobody can say your an apologist. To each their own. That being said, blind followers are the worst kind of consumer. They ruin it for the rest of us in any particular industry. Corporations love blind followers. The blind follower gives corporations max profits with minimum effort. To be honest, if it weren't for the Android OEMs and it's demanding consumers, the faithful Apple buyer would still be looking at a 3.5 inch screen and 5MP camera. In the next 2 years expect to see a round Apple watch, and as usual, expect the blind followers to change their tune about round smartwatches, and praise the decision. Remember how the big android screens were unwieldy and the butt of jokes on Apple forums? And now? We've all been on this carnival ride. Rinse, repeat.

You make a great point. I believe that's how things would be without Android as well, so I have to thank them for that (a blind follower would never thank Android).

I'm not sure about a round Apple Watch, though. I prefer the way it is now because it gives the watch more screen real estate than a round watch. Plus I like how squarish watches look

 

[Truefan31]

Nothing wrong with being a blind follower. People just need to be open about it, at which time nobody can say your an apologist. To each their own. That being said, blind followers are the worst kind of consumer. They ruin it for the rest of us in any particular industry. Corporations love blind followers. The blind follower gives corporations max profits with minimum effort. To be honest, if it weren't for the Android OEMs and it's demanding consumers, the faithful Apple buyer would still be looking at a 3.5 inch screen and 5MP camera. In the next 2 years expect to see a round Apple watch, and as usual, expect the blind followers to change their tune about round smartwatches, and praise the decision. Remember how the big android screens were unwieldy and the butt of jokes on Apple forums? And now? We've all been on this carnival ride. Rinse, repeat.

Couldn't you also say that if not for Apple people would still be using resistive touch phones with no App Store and no multitouch as well? Oh and dumbed down mobile browsers?

 

[Andres Cantu]

Couldn't you also say that if not for Apple people would still be using resistive touch phones with no App Store and no multitouch as well? Oh and dumbed down mobile browsers?

You definitely could! Argument works both ways.

 

[pdqgp]

With "Everyone else" I meant not me and with "go by the numbers" I meant sales numbers, which can influence some buyers.

I don't think sales numbers influence anyone. People buy what they want likely because their friends have them but I don't see anyone making an iPhone decision simply based on their sales volume. That said, back to my main point, releasing or not releasing sales figures does nothing for a company in terms of sales.

The iPhone's sales I don't really care too much about, it's the profit that really counts, as I'm sure businesses would know.

Meh....I love my gadgets but I really don't "care" if the manufacturers are profitable. Not in terms of MR Context.

For the last point, there is no need for your dirty words. Perhaps you haven't seen another thread where I gave the iPhone 6s a difficult time for not changing some features, but I'm not a blind Apple fan like you're implying. Then again, what do I know what you meant if you have to resort to saying things they way you did.

They aren't dirty words and I never implied or described you as a blind follower. You drew that out of your own words not mine. If I felt that were the case, I'd say it.

You dissed Samsung for discounts and seem like many to continue singing the praises for Apple selling at higher and higher prices like it's a great thing for consumers. They are masterful marketers and I agree with their strategy but again, not in the context of a consumer board such as MR. Here it's just purely stoking the fan base and doing such a great job they not only praise higher prices screaming "take my money" but in turn make comments like yours that scoffs at anyone not in a market position to do the same.

 

[Savor]

I personally don't mind if Samsung is going down but I doubt they will fall flat on their faces anytime soon. I prefer LG but even if say LG and Xiaomi become just as popular as Samsung, I probably would get sick of them too. Like watching an underground band become mainstream and you get sick of their songs.

But I am glad different sites are reviewing different brands now too. Two years ago for Android phones, it was generally Samsung, LG, HTC, Motorola, and the occasional Sony device that rarely makes it to the major US carriers. Now I see reviews for Xiaomi, Meizu, Lenovo, ZTE, Gionee, Oppo/OnePlus, and so on. I like to see variety. Wuth 7 billion people in the world and a bunch of brands out there, our planet shouldn't be ruled strictly on iPhones and Galaxy. Imagine if 90% of car owners either used a Hyundai (Samsung) or a Dodge Viber (iPhones)?

The coolest looking phone I've seen recently surprisingly came from Lenovo, a brand I am not too fond of. The Lenovo Vibe Shot rear design looks very cool.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Nothing wrong with being a blind follower. People just need to be open about it, at which time nobody can say your an apologist. To each their own. That being said, blind followers are the worst kind of consumer. They ruin it for the rest of us in any particular industry. Corporations love blind followers. The blind follower gives corporations max profits with minimum effort. To be honest, if it weren't for the Android OEMs and it's demanding consumers, the faithful Apple buyer would still be looking at a 3.5 inch screen and 5MP camera. In the next 2 years expect to see a round Apple watch, and as usual, expect the blind followers to change their tune about round smartwatches, and praise the decision. Remember how the big android screens were unwieldy and the butt of jokes on Apple forums? And now? We've all been on this carnival ride. Rinse, repeat.

This is the hypocrisy of this discussion displayed right here. The guy everybody is jumping on gets lynched by the clique for saying a general consensus on the web says one thing and he gets pulled apart. You imply in a condescending manner that 'he' is a blind follower, based on nothing but your own pure assumption and you get 'likes'. The irony also being that you display all the hallmarks of what you accuse. It's amusing to read though I will agree.

The grapevine of MR also suspects you have two accounts and are in this very discussion.. Wait for it... Twice! I'll leave the rest to wonder.

 

[GadgetSN]

The whole like button thing on this forum is cringe worthy. Its fine for a truely informative post but the (same) regulars on here use it like a buddy signal. Must be an American thing........

To the OP you cannot have a proper discussion on here with the usual suspects calling you names or asking for verified proof for every little thing. You should just leave it. They obviously have too much time.

Now wheres my like button folks

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
13 pages into the thread, we seem to be either going around in circles with the discussion or just plain old bickering. At this stage the discussion seems to have ended.