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Heebeejeebies

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Nov 9, 2011
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mine is stuck on the last 61 songs -.- ive been trying it for the last hour or so. nearly finished yet so far :mad:

ive tried stop and starting it again and force quit itunes a few times bc it wouldnt close but nothing is helping. it keeps doing nothing with the last 61 remaining songs grrrr

I had the same problem... I just decided to take each song one at a time and search in the iTunes search and realized that for a few of them I had three copies and that 1 copy had been matched, the second uploaded, and the third gave me an error. I checked metadata and they were identical, so I just deleted them.

For others, I converted them to AAC format and most of those were matched, while only one was uploaded.

But I'm still stuck with 3 errors and a gray waiting!

I still can't figure out how to view my stats.

Make sure 'iCloud status" is one of your columns in iTunes and organize by that column. Select all the ones in a category (click on the first, hold shift and click on the last) and you'll see how many of each type you have on the bottom. You can also make smart playlists for matched, uploaded, purchased, and ineligible, but for the others you can't...
 

Heebeejeebies

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Nov 9, 2011
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You got them to match, or upload? My low bitrate songs ended up giving me errors, so I converted them to AAC and got them to upload...

How did you convert to AIFF?
 

mobilehaathi

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Aug 19, 2008
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You got them to match, or upload? My low bitrate songs ended up giving me errors, so I converted them to AAC and got them to upload...

How did you convert to AIFF?

I changed my ripping preference to AIFF in the iTunes preferences. Then I right clicked the songs and converted to AIFF. The ones that were in the iTunes library matched immediately (after requesting to add to iCloud).

edit: The ones that didn't match uploaded.
 

Heebeejeebies

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I changed my ripping preference to AIFF in the iTunes preferences. Then I right clicked the songs and converted to AIFF. The ones that were in the iTunes library matched immediately (after requesting to add to iCloud).

edit: The ones that didn't match uploaded.

How is AIFF different from AAC? I know AIFF is lossless, but do you know or think that this affects matching vs. uploading? Also, how much bigger are AIFF files compared to AAC?
 

mobilehaathi

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Aug 19, 2008
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How is AIFF different from AAC? I know AIFF is lossless, but do you know or think that this affects matching vs. uploading?

It isn't going to improve the quality. It will basically decompress the file and have it show as a higher bit rate. I guess this is enough to pass the bit rate filter iTunes match sets up. For instance, for some reason I had one of my (non mono) Bob Dylan albums ripped at like 80 kbps. After decompressing into AIFF, it registered at about 700 kbps and promptly matched since it was found in the iTunes store. I was then able to delete the AIFF files and re-download them in 256 kbps...much simpler than flying across the country to where my CDs sit in my parent's basement.
 

TimWilliam

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Nov 16, 2011
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My match experience has (and continues to be) so-so:

9795 songs in iTunes, ~ 5000 songs matched
1. the balance are uploading at an abysmally slow rate. I'm talking turtle slow. Takes 15" for a single song.

2. on my ipad2, I can see everything in my itunes music library, including playlists.

3. on my 3GS, I can see all the songs but the playlists didn't show up. This is driving me NUTS.

I'm using a Toshiba Protege laptop with 4GB RAM, reasonably fast, btw.


I was wondering how everyone's iTunes Match went.

How many songs were matched, uploaded, and how many errors did you guys get?

Here are my stats:
Total: 6342
Matched: 5114 - 81%
Uploaded: 1184 - 19%
Duplicate: 18
Error: 11
Purchased: 8
Not Eligible: 6
Waiting: 1 (Has been waiting for over 3 hours, so I'm not sure what's going on there)
 

Heebeejeebies

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Nov 9, 2011
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It isn't going to improve the quality. It will basically decompress the file and have it show as a higher bit rate. I guess this is enough to pass the bit rate filter iTunes match sets up. For instance, for some reason I had one of my (non mono) Bob Dylan albums ripped at like 80 kbps. After decompressing into AIFF, it registered at about 700 kbps and promptly matched since it was found in the iTunes store. I was then able to delete the AIFF files and re-download them in 256 kbps...much simpler than flying across the country to where my CDs sit in my parent's basement.

That's very creative. I'd rather have then matched than uploaded, although at this point it probably doesn't matter...

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My match experience has (and continues to be) so-so:

9795 songs in iTunes, ~ 5000 songs matched
1. the balance are uploading at an abysmally slow rate. I'm talking turtle slow. Takes 15" for a single song.

2. on my ipad2, I can see everything in my itunes music library, including playlists.

3. on my 3GS, I can see all the songs but the playlists didn't show up. This is driving me NUTS.

I'm using a Toshiba Protege laptop with 4GB RAM, reasonably fast, btw.

My iPhone and iPod Touch were pretty good with playlists, but more recently my smart playlists are having a hard time updating live changes. I'm guessing that's because of an influx of new iTunes Match users. I started my matching pretty early on luckily, but making changes now is a pain, although probably not as bad as it is for you... I have faith in Apple, and I believe that - slow as it may be - eventually everything will iron itself out with little to no casualties...
 

Heebeejeebies

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Nov 9, 2011
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New Jersey
My match experience has (and continues to be) so-so:

9795 songs in iTunes, ~ 5000 songs matched
1. the balance are uploading at an abysmally slow rate. I'm talking turtle slow. Takes 15" for a single song.

2. on my ipad2, I can see everything in my itunes music library, including playlists.

3. on my 3GS, I can see all the songs but the playlists didn't show up. This is driving me NUTS.

I'm using a Toshiba Protege laptop with 4GB RAM, reasonably fast, btw.

I'm also assuming that the uploading has more to do with your upload speed than your RAM. My upload speed was about 5Mbps, and a library of about 6300 with a little over 1000 uploaded still took about 6-7 hours, and my RAM barely took a hit...

Oh, and they are a lot bigger. For comparison, a 128 kbps 2MB mp3 turned into a 21MB AIFF file.

Wow... You'd think that you'd hear a difference in quality...
 

mobilehaathi

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Aug 19, 2008
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Wow... You'd think that you'd hear a difference in quality...

Well, you probably would if you converted your CD directly to AIFF and compared with an 80 kbps rip. However, if you convert your CD to 80 kbps and then to AIFF, you've already passed through the "lossy" compression, and you can't get that information back.
 

Heebeejeebies

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Nov 9, 2011
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Well, you probably would if you converted your CD directly to AIFF and compared with an 80 kbps rip. However, if you convert your CD to 80 kbps and then to AIFF, you've already passed through the "lossy" compression, and you can't get that information back.

So your advice paid off... I converted two of my last three errors to AIFF (the two Fleetwood Mac songs) and they showed up on my iDevices... I'm not sure if they matched or uploaded because they are now showing up as "waiting" on my MBP but they're on the cloud!

The last song refused to get converted to AIFF... I get an error every time.

I found that turning iTunes Match off and then on does a lot more than updating does. Maybe that will help others.
 

mobilehaathi

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Aug 19, 2008
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So your advice paid off... I converted two of my last three errors to AIFF (the two Fleetwood Mac songs) and they showed up on my iDevices... I'm not sure if they matched or uploaded because they are now showing up as "waiting" on my MBP but they're on the cloud!

The last song refused to get converted to AIFF... I get an error every time.

I found that turning iTunes Match off and then on does a lot more than updating does. Maybe that will help others.

For the songs I converted to AIFF, I right clicked them and explicitly added to iCloud. This engaged the match process and had them matched in about 30s. I otherwise felt as if they were stuck on waiting indefinitely.
 

Heebeejeebies

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After three days of working, I finally got iTunes Match doing what it should be doing. No more duplicates, no more errors, no more ineligibles.

Converting low bitrate songs to AIFF led to more matches, and the rest were uploaded. Shorts songs under 15 - 20 seconds also matched or uploaded when converted to either AAC or AIFF.

Thanks to mobilehaathi for the help...
 

mobilehaathi

macrumors G3
Aug 19, 2008
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After three days of working, I finally got iTunes Match doing what it should be doing. No more duplicates, no more errors, no more ineligibles.

Converting low bitrate songs to AIFF led to more matches, and the rest were uploaded. Shorts songs under 15 - 20 seconds also matched or uploaded when converted to either AAC or AIFF.

Thanks to mobilehaathi for the help...

No problem, although I'm just bumbling around like you...:D
 

Hammie

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Mar 17, 2009
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All hi-res files are not eligible

I have 367 files are are not eligible. They are all my hi-res files purchased from HDTracks and 2L. They range from 24/96kHz to 24/352.8kHz. All files except for a couple of the 352.8kHz songs are under 200MB.

Any thoughts as to why these songs cannot be matched?

Also, when these hi-res files are converted to 256 AAC in iTunes, iTunes Match uploads the files instead of matching them even though the album is available for purchase in the iTunes Store (Natalie Merchant's Tigerliy, for example).
 

Heebeejeebies

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Nov 9, 2011
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These are limitations Apple has already announced:

Files below 96KHz
Files larger than 200 MB
Files that are associated with an Apple ID different from the one iTunes Match is associated with (DRM protected)

These are limitations users have had trouble with but have not been addressed by Apple:

Short songs, normally less than 20 seconds. - No solution yet...?
Songs with Variable Bit Rates (VBR) - Convert to 128 bit AAC and hope it gets matched so you can download a 256 bit AAC from the cloud.
A mix of uploaded and matched songs within an album/Purchase-able songs not being matched - No solution yet, but will probably be ironed out in future updates.

Seems like your problem may be the VBR tracks...
 

mactmaster

macrumors 6502
Jun 16, 2010
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I finally completed my iTunes Match process (actually middle of last week) and my stats are in. Please note I spent quite a bit of time adding my music to iTunes Match one artist at a time and taking my time to fix any tracks that did not match or that had errors or were ineligible etc.

Matched: 9255 - 87%
Purchased: 1163 - 11%
Uploaded: 166 - 2%

Now that my backlog is all set I don't think I should have any issues with adding a few albums every now and then.
:apple: :eek:
 

Razeus

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Jul 11, 2008
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Out of over 20,500 tracks, 2000 had to get uploaded.

Some of those (10%) uploads, I question since they are clearly in iTunes Store library.
 

jdguggs10

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Aug 7, 2011
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Boston
Stats

1031 Total
771 Matched
178 Uploaded
79 Purchased
3 Error
1 Waiting

I also do not know my the numbers do not add properly, only off by 1 tho.

Analysis:
Subtracting the purchased from the total count gives me 952 songs that could be matched. The fail rate is 19%. Personally, I think that's rather poor.

Especially considering that in the complete albums I do own, the match would typically miss a song for no particular reason (i.e. Bad Love from Complete Clapton (which was personally ripped from a disk, or the first two tracks in Appetite for Destruction from a downloaded album).

Also worth noting, the one waiting song was purchased from Amazon mp3. Are their songs so different that iTunes couldn't match it?
 

Razeus

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Jul 11, 2008
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I'm more surprise on how many albums aren't actually in iTunes that I have. They were popular back in the day. An eye opener.
 

TomHouTX

macrumors newbie
Nov 26, 2011
3
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My music is scattered everywhere, so I am processing it in batches. Here are the results from the first batch:

Tracks: 1471
Matched: 1465
Uploaded: 6 (not in iTunes store)

So it matched 100% of available tracks! The first pass had about a dozen more tracks that didn't match, but I added fresh versions of those tracks (generally just higher bitrate copies) and was able to match them all.

My wife had ~3500 tracks, with ~50 uploaded. I haven't tried to fix her unmatched tracks yet. I suspect the main issue is scratched source CDs. In fact, that is why my wife signed up for iTunes match. Many of her CDs are unplayable due to damage, but iTunes match was able to give her clean copies of most the music she bought.
 
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goodroots

macrumors newbie
Oct 29, 2011
6
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About 6,000 songs:

75% Matched
15% Uploaded
10% Purchased

I have some live music that would not be found on iTunes, so I'm happy with 75% matching. The important thing, though, is that 100% of my library is now up on iCloud...I had ZERO errors or ineligible songs.

I'm now in the process of downloading higher-quality iTunes copies of music to replace much of that 75%. I'm thrilled!
 
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