Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

unrigestered

Suspended
Jun 17, 2022
879
840
there's also

OPTIONS:
i admittedly have no current comparisons, as i've went browser vs apps years ago when possible, but at least back then most apps were pretty barebones options wise compared to their website counterparts inside your browser.

i'm using the Youtube and PayPal app frequently though, as they offer what i want to do most of the time.
 

SirAnthonyHopkins

macrumors 6502a
Sep 29, 2020
948
1,892
If you found a "hack" at a self checkout machine that made it give you twice the change you were owed, would you condone that and show other people how to do that?
If you were in a mom & pop store? No. In Walmart? Yes.

Please don't cry about Google losing out on a few pennies of revenue. It looks really silly.
 

leovilma

macrumors member
Feb 22, 2017
36
14
I've also noted this annoying trend. Now maybe I'm being paranoid here but I feel some of the service providers are looking to track (read: steal) your usage data for less and more nefarious reasons. Thing is that app's can be like those tracking beacons from 80's show A-team, if you give them permissions they can look at everything you do. I feel like a vast majority of people don't bother to care what permissions the app is getting when they install it.

Now I can understand FB and Google doing it and I avoid those services. Recently all the shady little local companies are also pushing towards apps and literally limiting usage options from their web sites. Of course their apps want access to all my communication, browsing, gps, camera etc... no bueno.
 

jumpcutking

macrumors demi-god
Nov 6, 2020
322
237
I’m probably one of the few service architects that believe an app and a browser version should and can have the same functionality. I even go so far as to say a mobile version of a web app should have access to the complete function of a desktop app. To me, powerful websites can be built these days that replace the need to have apps… with few exceptions. The most prominent exception is native apps performing better rendering tasks (like games and video editors).



Here are some hidden truths about these applications in those stores.



1. Notifications are the holy grail of forced re-entry into your app. You buzz the user, and they will likely click and continue back in the app. Apple closely guards notifications to prevent web browsers from using them, while android and desktop experiences let web browsers post notifications. However, a nefarious actor, such as a spam website, will take advantage of this. Much in the same way, they take advantage of subscribing to calendars.



2. Data. There is more accessible access to data - even with app transparency - than a website. For instance, if you take a photo in the app and enable location services, they can compare you to other users in the area and offer you advertising. They also do this network level using IP Address information. I use IP Address information in all my services but primarily for security purposes… so believe me when I say they can pinpoint you to your city + if it’s public wifi and many people share location services with data broker sharing apps… they know where you are. This leads us to ads…



3. You can’t use Ad Blockers in apps (yet). If you could, the AppStore would lose money too. So Apple protects app web requests. Anyway… utilizing the app, they can profile you depending on your shared information. Facebook isn’t the only advertising network that gathers multiple sources of information about you to advertise to you. It may look like they are listening in to your conversations, but the reality is they track searches of those you are around and use location data (network and or Bluetooth) to gather who is near you and share advertising that way. It’s a neat trick, but these services crave to sell you, the customer, as their product to advertisers.



You would be surprised how much information data broker companies have on you. I connected with one and got my data from them… they had under a hundred pages of data about me, my emails, my previous addresses, and my parents. It was exhaustive, and I almost wanted to sue them for it. However, those privacy agreements - no one has a say in - tell you that your information is shared. Even if a web service does not share it, it’s shared by your bank, grocery chain, and many other sources. Your web service will connect with a data broker and “buy” more of your information to advertise to you.



4. Most apps are actual web browsers. Yes… that’s right. The same technology that you use on the web is repackaged with a few additional scripts and ported into the app.



5. They have to reserve some features for the app to appease app stores. Most app stores won’t let you replicate the functionality of a web service into an app without having significant features that exist only in your app. The App Store does this to prevent website clones, but it affects what a service provider will offer you.



Apps are not easy to develop, and many developers would prefer to give you access to the website and call it a day - however, there is more traction on getting you to download and share the app than the website. The app will find creative ways of pulling you back when a web browser can get you lost in a sea of websites. As noted before - there is a lot more money in getting you to download that app.
 

Sheepish-Lord

macrumors 68030
Original poster
Oct 13, 2021
2,529
5,148
1. Notifications are the holy grail of forced re-entry into your app. You buzz the user, and they will likely click and continue back in the app. Apple closely guards notifications to prevent web browsers from using them, while android and desktop experiences let web browsers post notifications. However, a nefarious actor, such as a spam website, will take advantage of this. Much in the same way, they take advantage of subscribing to calendars.
I completely forgot how some apps (e.g. Reddit, Amazon) ask for notifications and if you say no then it automatically sets it as “deliver quietly”. WTH, I said NO notification!
 

Tozovac

macrumors 68040
Jun 12, 2014
3,035
3,233
Anyone else feel like lots companies are pushing you towards apps instead of websites?

I 100% agree as far as YouTube. I hate how awful their website interface is for controlling the video playback. So close to other actioinable areas that I constantly accidentally enable the wrong request. You know they can do better. I've always felt that was a "hey use the app"-driven thing. It's made worse by the flat design text-as-action fad which forced actionable "buttons" to be so very small that there's very little room for error when trying to enact certain commands/buttons.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Jeven Stobs

winxmac

macrumors 68000
Sep 1, 2021
1,560
1,824
A few things I like about android is you can clear data and cache without uninstalling the app although this used to be the case with older iOS versions [I don't know which one of iPhoneOS 1, 2, 3, and iOS 4 since I have never used them] and you can force apps to not use in-app browser unlike iOS which only uses the in-app browser even if you want it to be opened in Safari or any other browser [unless you jailbreak and install patched IPA files]

There are alternatives to the YouTube app in android so that there will be no ads however on iOS you can use the YouTube app and subscribe to Premium for ad-free viewing or use the Safari browser and install AdGuard or Adguard Pro or jailbreak and download the patched IPA files which I think people who jailbreak their iPhone are no longer that many compared to back in the day
 
  • Like
Reactions: q64ceo

usagora

macrumors 601
Nov 17, 2017
4,869
4,456
If you were in a mom & pop store? No. In Walmart? Yes.

Please don't cry about Google losing out on a few pennies of revenue. It looks really silly.

Oh, so if you have a lot of money, you're cool with me stealing from you? Interesting "logic" you have there. is this even a serious comment? Theft is theft, period.
 
  • Angry
Reactions: ErikGrim

usagora

macrumors 601
Nov 17, 2017
4,869
4,456
Since self-checkouts are entirely implemented on the concept of lessening labour power and maximising the profits of multi-billion dollar, (usually) multi-national corporations that already grossly exploit labour for obscene levels of wealth generation that leads to great harms for literally billions of people…

…sure, why not? **** ‘em.

Very interesting to see how some members on this forum attempt (vainly) to justify unethical and/or illegal behavior. In case you didn't know this, it's still wrong to steal from anyone, whether they're Hitler or a saint. Their personal character or choices are wholly irrelevant to your act of theft (speaking hypothetically of "theft" here, of course, because I will assume you don't put action to your words).

@ErikGrim What are you angry about? Do you too think it's ok to steal from people or companies based on their income/revenue level?
 
Last edited:
  • Angry
Reactions: ErikGrim

nexx27

macrumors member
Jul 8, 2012
93
99
I often have the opposite feeling: I get frustrated with services that don't offer a good native app option. The web browser is better than a app wrapper around a web page, but I always prefer a good app over a web page. I guess I just don't like the typical mobile web structure.
Me too, specially on macos. No netflix app for example.

And it's the main reason I returned the ipad. No whatsapp for ipad? Cmon.... Lot's of iphone scaled app's! Binance, Instagram... c'mon....
 

nexx27

macrumors member
Jul 8, 2012
93
99
Me too, specially on macos. No netflix app for example.

And it's the main reason I returned the ipad. No whatsapp for ipad? Cmon.... Lot's of iphone scaled app's! Binance, Instagram... c'mon....
Since I don't like to complain without giving a solution. Here's my take:
- Apps can do better than website, period. The IOS/MACOS/IPADOS API is stronger and more flexible than web. It's a not a technical limitation. My take, I don't run netflix on my mac. I go for AppleTV.
- Apple should enforce through it's policy that ipad apps (with say >5MM users) must have a proper app. Not a scaled version. This should address Instagram
- Add an option on IOS Settings that we can choose if we want to disable browser invocation of some app. Example I don't want Amazon website to open automagically my Amazon APP. So I can disable it in the settings.

Browsers are for browsing..
 

nexx27

macrumors member
Jul 8, 2012
93
99
YouTube Premium. Totally worth it (and not just for ad-free).
I agree with BOTH posts:

- Youtube app sucks (IMHO every google interface sucks, not just the youtube app).
- Youtube premium totally worth it (In my case just for ad-free)
 

usagora

macrumors 601
Nov 17, 2017
4,869
4,456
- Youtube app sucks (IMHO every google interface sucks, not just the youtube app).

I've yet to see someone claiming this explain how in a way that makes sense. I'm truly baffled that anyone could think that app "sucks" or is "trash". That implies that it's pretty much useless, and I simply don't see how anyone could make that argument.
 

Sheepish-Lord

macrumors 68030
Original poster
Oct 13, 2021
2,529
5,148
I've yet to see someone claiming this explain how in a way that makes sense. I'm truly baffled that anyone could think that app "sucks" or is "trash". That implies that it's pretty much useless, and I simply don't see how anyone could make that argument.
Agreed, I think the YT app is perfectly fine just opposed to how it’s forced on mobile users. Btw, running a desktop site on an iPhone Mini is a no-go ha but on my iPad it’s default.
 

Rradcircless

macrumors regular
Jun 9, 2022
194
434
I think apps have become exceedingly hostile with their advertising and subliminal pressuring to make you buy things. With every update, YouTube, Instagram and the like, their user interfaces get uglier and there seems to be more and more ads.

Not to mention, Uber eats which is getting so many new menus and promo pages that it’s becoming ugly to look at. I actually turned off automatic app updates to stop them from turning my phone into a handheld marketplace.

But the creepiest thing is that even with the automatic app updates paused, I still find new features and menus being added to apps like YouTube and Uber Eats. It’s as if they’re being downloaded over the air into the app, bypassing the App Store.
 

klasma

macrumors 604
Jun 8, 2017
7,446
20,741
But the creepiest thing is that even with the automatic app updates paused, I still find new features and menus being added to apps like YouTube and Uber Eats. It’s as if they’re being downloaded over the air into the app, bypassing the App Store.
A lot of apps are little more than a browser facade for a mobile website that is only accessible via the app. The content and UI can therefore be just as dynamic as for a regular website.
 

Benlurks1010

Cancelled
Aug 6, 2022
83
146
The YouTube app has grown on me a lot but I’ll never like viewing video descriptions/comments in the sidebar instead of below the video.
 

Tevosn

macrumors regular
Aug 6, 2020
190
216
YouTube i prefer in mobile browser despite it being only 720p, which is more than enough imo. Don’t think I could watch YouTube if it wasn’t for Adblock either.
IKEA is the only app I can think of that I use other than the webpage too.
 

eXan

macrumors 601
Jan 10, 2005
4,738
134
Russia
Can we also mention mobile games? Not to sound like an old fart, but back when the App Store just came out, there were so many good free and paid games that were made with care, had the creativity and played smoothly? Not so much anymore. The other week I tried to look up some games on my iPhone, but no matter what I'd get it would be trash filled with ads and continuous prompts to donate.
 

Benlurks1010

Cancelled
Aug 6, 2022
83
146
Can’t stand ads in games. The first thing I do when looking at any game is check the list of in-app purchases and see if there’s one to remove them…if all I find are ludicrously expensive “packs of diamonds”, run away!
 
  • Like
Reactions: max2

darngooddesign

macrumors P6
Jul 4, 2007
18,362
10,114
Atlanta, GA
That's always been the case but yes, things appear to be getting worse in that regard.

This is one of the reasons why I find myself using my Chrome OS-based Lenovo Duet tablet (and ThinkPad Chromebook in tablet mode) for those things:

  • No need to install separate apps.
  • No wave of app updates.
  • The shortcuts are just a few bytes compared to the MB size of apps. (launching the shortcut is quick)
  • Launch the shortcuts as windows and they can be tiled or overlapped.
This obviously isn't for everyone, but if you have the opportunity to give something like that a try, I recommend it.
How is not using apps on your Lenovo tablet different from not using apps on an iPad?
 

sracer

macrumors G4
Apr 9, 2010
10,405
13,290
where hip is spoken
How is not using apps on your Lenovo tablet different from not using apps on an iPad?
The Duet runs Chrome OS which runs the desktop version of the Chrome browser that you'd run on MacOS or Windows. The iPad can only run mobile versions of web browsers... all based on webkit.

The desktop version of Chrome has support for extensions and offers more settings for configuration than a mobile browser. Note: running a desktop browser is different than running a mobile browser and selecting, "Request Desktop Website".
 

usagora

macrumors 601
Nov 17, 2017
4,869
4,456
The YouTube app has grown on me a lot but I’ll never like viewing video descriptions/comments in the sidebar instead of below the video.

That must be an iPadOS thing. Comments in the YouTube app on iOS are still under the video.
 
  • Like
Reactions: max2
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.