Ive given up

[kepler20b]

Anyone else throwing in the towel this year? If they think its ok to abandon us, well guess I can leave also.


I dont want a frankenstein computer.
I dont want a hackintosh
I dont want 4k/5k 16:9
I dont want 14 thunderbolt 3 ports without hdmi or dp 1.4


I guess I'm no longer the target consumer for these products anymore. It's not even about hte pricing, $5k for an imac pro? not a problem-- I can spend that amount.


But I'm going back to get something that fits my needs.

nvme storage
34-38" 21:9 (5k uw via LG if necessary)
8c/16thread 2700x with the option to upgrade to a 7nm cpu in 2 years via dropin
and a 1080ti


sorry I dont see anyway I can justify a future mac pro anymore no matter how badly I want one.

 

[bopajuice]

For $5K you could build a PC that would decimate all. I think the "eco-system" thing is highly overrated. Good luck.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

The major issue is not designing the new machine. The issue is there is a CPU war going on between Intel and AMD. The updates are coming fast so you need to judge when to release a new computer otherwise it could get outdated fast.

For example, there's a 28 core Intel CPU clocked at 5Ghz coming this Fall.

Imagine that in a Mac Pro if you need that many cores.

 

[jscipione]

Wait for Mac Pro 7,1 or hackintosh while you still can

 

[Ph.D.]

For example, there's a 28 core Intel CPU clocked at 5Ghz coming this Fall.

No. Not unless you can run a kilowatt+ chiller next to your hand-selected and absurdly over-clocked cpu as Intel did. And it wasn't a new chip. And it might have only run long enough for a quick demo. So, just no.

On the other hand, yes, there is finally some interesting competition going on. And yes, Apple may well be waiting for some as-yet unavailable CPU to sit on without changing for another 5+ years.

(Also, if you build a computer, skip the hackintosh and pick a linux distribution. There's one for every taste, including options that can be easily configured to look and act a lot like OS-X, if you are into that.)

 

[Kris Kelvin]

But I'm going back to get something that fits my needs.

That's always advisable. There's no point in running macOS just for the sake of it.

For example, there's a 28 core Intel CPU clocked at 5Ghz coming this Fall.

Imagine that in a Mac Pro if you need that many cores.

You mean the monstrosity that requires an industrial water chiller to keep things cool? Not even Apple will be able to put that in a quiet, reasonably small box.

Not that it matters, since there's no software to properly use that many cores anyway. What's needed most is improved GPU support.

 

[DearthnVader]

Threadripper2 is only 250w

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

That's always advisable. There's no point in running macOS just for the sake of it.



You mean the monstrosity that requires an industrial water chiller to keep things cool? Not even Apple will be able to put that in a quiet, reasonably small box.

Not that it matters, since there's no software to properly use that many cores anyway. What's needed most is improved GPU support.

Yeah but if you want a CPU based renderfarm then booyakasha

At this progress rate it will come down to desktop size in 2-3 years. That's quick!
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No. Not unless you can run a kilowatt+ chiller next to your hand-selected and absurdly over-clocked cpu as Intel did. And it wasn't a new chip. And it might have only run long enough for a quick demo. So, just no.

On the other hand, yes, there is finally some interesting competition going on. And yes, Apple may well be waiting for some as-yet unavailable CPU to sit on without changing for another 5+ years.

That update model will have to go. Apple has to return to offering Mac Pro updates annually. They should also have a builder section of their store that continually offers the latest GPUs, SSDs, etc (Apple branded versions of course that only work in Mac towers). They should not only offer workstation solutions but also steal market share from the builder community that has been growing a lot lately. If they offer beautifully stylized components that befit their new push into Metal gaming and VR then it's going to be amazing.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

The major issue is not designing the new machine. The issue is there is a CPU war going on between Intel and AMD. The updates are coming fast so you need to judge when to release a new computer otherwise it could get outdated fast.

For example, there's a 28 core Intel CPU clocked at 5Ghz coming this Fall.

Imagine that in a Mac Pro if you need that many cores.

I would rather imagine the AMD 32core thread ripper on 12nm now. Nothing would please me more if apple moved to AMD to rightfully punish intel and how pathetic their ability to deliver progress on CPU. Used to be Microsoft was holding back computer progress, now its intel.

 

[0388631]

Threadripper2 is only 250w

8180 operated at 205w.

No one has the tech to cram that many cores at a high operating frequency and have a TDP of a midrange i5.

 

[singhs.apps]

The major issue is not designing the new machine. The issue is there is a CPU war going on between Intel and AMD. The updates are coming fast so you need to judge when to release a new computer otherwise it could get outdated fast.

For example, there's a 28 core Intel CPU clocked at 5Ghz coming this Fall.

Imagine that in a Mac Pro if you need that many cores.

Someone already mentioned the dirty BS Intel demo.

Regarding out of date, you will always be out of date no matter when you buy a new system. That said now is a penomenal time to get or build a new system. The CPU options have never been better.

Threadripper2 is only 250w

Try getting any cpu with that amount of Power crunching chomps under 250w. If that doesn’t convince you, try getting them at the price point AMD will charge for it.

 

[DearthnVader]

Someone already mentioned the dirty BS Intel demo.

Regarding out of date, you will always be out of date no matter when you buy a new system. That said now is a penomenal time to get or build a new system. The CPU options have never been better.



Try getting any cpu with that amount of Power crunching chomps under 250w. If that doesn’t convince you, try getting them at the price point AMD will charge for it.

Still 250w is a lot of heat to dissipate, basically a server grade part, made for a room cooled by an industrial AC unit. I understand they want to compete with Intel workstation class CPU's and I'm a big fan of the Ryzen.

 

[singhs.apps]

Still 250w is a lot of heat to dissipate, basically a server grade part, made for a room cooled by an industrial AC unit. I understand they want to compete with Intel workstation class CPU's and I'm a big fan of the Ryzen.

Ofcourse Ryzen is promising. Very promising.
I might even go with the 16 core threadripper for my little system with dual nvidia GPUs and wait for the 7nm variety that might launch by this time next year for the BIG system with its potential power saving capacity without sacrificing performance.

When I do the numbers with the little+big, a 12 hour render would get done under 1.5 hours. Multiply that by a years worth of such rendering tasks ...that’s a lot of energy and time saved right there.

If power usage and price point are worries there are excellent 6-8 core CPUs from both intel and AMD.

Like I said elswhere, it’s a great time to switch (back in my case) if anybody’s on the fence no matter what the price point.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Someone already mentioned the dirty BS Intel demo.

Regarding out of date, you will always be out of date no matter when you buy a new system. That said now is a penomenal time to get or build a new system. The CPU options have never been better.

Yes it is a dirty demo, but a preview of things to come.

We saw these CPU wars have impact on Mac release dates many times before. That was the reason the G5 was not upgraded for a long time and the PowerBook G4 began to update very slowly in its last two years. When Apple is redesigning systems it is with new upcoming components in mind. So it is best to wait for a moment of slowdown in the CPU war to make sure you are releasing a machine at an opportune moment.

 

[pl1984]

Yes it is a dirty demo, but a preview of things to come.

We saw these CPU wars have impact on Mac release dates many times before. That was the reason the G5 was not upgraded for a long time and the PowerBook G4 began to update very slowly in its last two years. When Apple is redesigning systems it is with new upcoming components in mind. So it is best to wait for a moment of slowdown in the CPU war to make sure you are releasing a machine at an opportune moment.

Rapid change in CPUs were common in the 1990's and 2000's so what is occurring now is nothing new. There's no excuse for Apple to delay releasing updates to their hardware given the CPUs have been available for some time now. Other companies are able to do it and Apple should too.

The reality is Apple doesn't seem all that interested in the Macintosh anymore.

 

[DearthnVader]

Rapid change in CPUs were common in the 1990's and 2000's so what is occurring now is nothing new. There's no excuse for Apple to delay releasing updates to their hardware given the CPUs have been available for some time now. Other companies are able to do it and Apple should too.

The reality is Apple doesn't seem all that interested in the Macintosh anymore.

I think Apple is still interested in the Mac line, but they need a reality check, they seem to think they can make Computers that can't be upgraded and not lose more sales than they gain. A computer is not an iPhone, we aren't just going to throw it away and buy a new one every 18 months.

Apple seems not to understand that the ATX form factor has evolved to be what it is, that it meets the ends of the most users, they want to reinvent the wheel and profit at every turn of it.

At first I was excited about a modular Mac Pro, but lately I'm thinking that Apple's idea of modular is a bunch of external add on crap requiring expensive thunderbolt boxes and cables and wire all over the place.

I really didn't think they learned anything from the nMP.

 

[pl1984]

I think Apple is still interested in the Mac line, but they need a reality check, they seem to think they can make Computers that can't be upgraded and not lose more sales than they gain. A computer is not an iPhone, we aren't just going to throw it away and buy a new one every 18 months.

IMO if they're going to make computers which cannot be upgraded then they need to keep them current. If they're unwilling to keep them current then they need to make them end user upgradable. The whole idea of having a non-upgradeable system which Apple themselves won't upgrade to more current technology is ridiculous.

 

[DearthnVader]

IMO if they're going to make computers which cannot be upgraded then they need to keep them current. If they're unwilling to keep them current then they need to make them end user upgradable. The whole idea of having a non-upgradeable system which Apple themselves won't upgrade to more current technology is ridiculous.

I agree, but just think people that bought 4,1 or 5,1 systems have been able to get better resale value out of them.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Rapid change in CPUs were common in the 1990's and 2000's so what is occurring now is nothing new. There's no excuse for Apple to delay releasing updates to their hardware given the CPUs have been available for some time now. Other companies are able to do it and Apple should too.

The reality is Apple doesn't seem all that interested in the Macintosh anymore.

You're wrong and you'll see. I was speaking to an Apple Engineer (ex) and he said they just have so many things going on internally. Fans being disappointed is understandable, but resources have to be managed and the rest of the computing industry does have an influence on release schedules.

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

Regarding the title of the thread: "Ive given up"
Is that supposed to be a typo for:
"Ivy given up" - Because he can't design a beautiful COMPLETELY glued together professional Mac Pro, or:
"I've given up" - Which is understandable!

...Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Anyone else throwing in the towel this year? If they think its ok to abandon us, well guess I can leave also.

What is your timeframe? I would expect Apple to finally give us some information on the 2019 Mac Pro or whatever it will be, in late 2018. I expect some sort of Mac related minor happening where they update most of their current models.

Personally, my 2011 iMac is still going strong, but I will likely be looking at upgrading it in the coming years, as the GPU may be failing again, and I don't think I can keep baking it. If they release a model that is targeted at gamers, ie. not too expensive and with an upgradeable GPU, then I will likely pick that up. Otherwise, Hackintosh it is for me, or, *shudder', I will actively try out Windows, or finally look seriously into Linux.

But oh boy, I really need some certification that they take macOS seriously, soon.

 

[pl1984]

You're wrong and you'll see. I was speaking to an Apple Engineer (ex) and he said they just have so many things going on internally. Fans being disappointed is understandable, but resources have to be managed and the rest of the computing industry does have an influence on release schedules.

This might be an explanation if it weren't for the fact that Apple is the largest company, by market cap, of all time. They're even approaching being the first trillion dollar, by market cap, company. It's not as if Apple doesn't have the resources to work on multiple things at the same time. In fact their product line is, relatively speaking, small compared to many other companies.

No, lack of resources is not the reason. Lack of interest is.

 

[Biped]

This might be an explanation if it weren't for the fact that Apple is the largest company, by market cap, of all time. They're even approaching being the first trillion dollar, by market cap, company. It's not as if Apple doesn't have the resources to work on multiple things at the same time. In fact their product line is, relatively speaking, small compared to many other companies.

No, lack of resources is not the reason. Lack of interest is.

Not to mention that aside from iphones, their product line is laughable on many levels. Including neglect (mac mini) and crib death (homepod). Falling way behind with signature products like Siri. Pragmatically no presence in upcoming technology areas like AR/VR and ML.

The Apple apologetics enable all that.

 

[DearthnVader]

But, but, but, they gave us Dark Mode, that's as good as new hardware, aint it.

 

[iMactouch]

they gave us Dark Mode

I think Dark Mode is one step before "The last one shuts off the light" (I don't know if that saying is understandable in English correctly).
Maybe I am too old but I can not read longer texts in white on black. I always loved the old Atari and the Mac because they normally used black on white text and not those white on black DOS-screens or something like that.

 

[fastlanephil]

I think Dark Mode is one step before "The last one shuts off the light" (I don't know if that saying is understandable in English correctly).
Maybe I am too old but I can not read longer texts in white on black. I always loved the old Atari and the Mac because they normally used black on white text and not those white on black DOS-screens or something like that.