Ive given up

[pl1984]

thanks i will read up on it, i will be surprised if they were deliberately trying to force obsolescence on the early machines. i had some of the early apples and it just never seemed that way to me.

Everything I've read leads me to conclude it was done for simplicities sake. There were several people who felt a closed system would be much easier for a new computer user to set up and start using. The fact it may result in faster replacement was likely considered a side benefit.

As for AMD I am happy to see they're growing their market share. It's good to see a return to competition in the processor space. For far too long this aspect of computers has been, relatively speaking, stagnant.

 

[barmann]

There were several people who felt a closed system would be much easier for a new computer user to set up and start using. The fact it may result in faster replacement was likely considered a side benefit.

There are still people today who claim expandability is a bad thing , and users benefit from closed systems .
Not on this fine message board, of course .

 

[jscipione]

There are still people today who claim expandability is a bad thing , and users benefit from closed systems .
Not on this fine message board, of course .

This ignores the Macintosh II and all of the expandable Macs that came after many of which came out under Steve Jobs like the beloved cMP. The last upgradable Macs were released in 2012 just after Jobs died, it has been all Tim Cook closed boxes thereafter. I have hope still for Mac Pro 7,1 one last box before... well you will see.

 

[AidenShaw]

I have hope still for Mac Pro 7,1 one last box before... well you will see.

If the mMP (AKA MP7,1) is the last box - it will be dead before it is even shipping. Many folks who are getting paid for their work want to see a roadmap for at least the next few years.

If the MP7,1 is the last box before Apple goes all IOS and ARM - the HP Z-series sales folks will be very busy.

 

[jasnw]

This is exactly right, and one of the possible reasons that Apple's being so closed-mouth about the status of headless desktops. There are a bunch of us that will immediately bail from systems perceived to be on a death watch.

 

[applesaucePro]

i saw one site today thats rumoring the mMP itself will use the new arm chip, made me want to puke! they are also saying its in a new convertible ipad/mbp hybrid which is already in the hands of some beta testers.

 

[pl1984]

There are still people today who claim expandability is a bad thing , and users benefit from closed systems .
Not on this fine message board, of course .

I see nothing wrong with systems which do not support internal expansion (such as laptops and iMacs, though I would like to see upgradable versions of each). IMO the problem arose when Apple released the 6,1 Mac Pro eliminating any option to purchase an internally expandable Mac.

 

[AidenShaw]

i saw one site today thats rumoring the mMP itself will use the new arm chip, made me want to puke! they are also saying its in a new convertible ipad/mbp hybrid which is already in the hands of some beta testers.

OMG - the Ipad Super Pro.

Time to move my Apple stock to HP.

 

[jscipione]

If the mMP (AKA MP7,1) is the last box - it will be dead before it is even shipping. Many folks who are getting paid for their work want to see a roadmap for at least the next few years.

If the MP7,1 is the last box before Apple goes all IOS and ARM - the HP Z-series sales folks will be very busy.

Not necessarily. Apple may have a massively multi-core Arm chip up their sleeve. The transition will go sorta like the PowerMac G5 to Mac Pro transition: the new enclosure will ship with the old architecture first (Xeon this time) and then Apple will transition the laptop line and iMac to Arm in 2020, then finally release the fully ARM Mac Pro late 2020 or 2021. This will all be explained at WWDC 2019 when they roll out their Arm transition strategy and is one of the reasons they haven't spoken about the Mac Pro again yet.

 

[smirking]

Despite it being such a wealthy company their product line is fairly small.

There is a lot going on there that you have no idea about. Of course, I don't know this for a fact because I don't know what I don't know, but I do know from people who work there that there are top engineers who work on mysterious projects in areas of the building that nobody knows anything about.

It's either Apple is unwilling to commit the necessary resources or Apples current leadership lacks the knowledge / skill to do so. My opinion it is the former but perhaps it is the latter.

Indeed, it may be the case that they're unwilling to commit the necessary resources because those resources don't grow on trees. You can't hire your way through every challenge. They have plenty of money throw at whatever problem they want to throw it at, but money does not automatically mean you have enough of the right people available. They do things at such scale that there is no such thing as a simple problem.

They could do something as simple as release an updated version of the cheese grater as the "new" Mac Pro and they would not only have to have do all the things on the surface that you can see, but they'd also have to devote resources to securing the supply chain. Those people don't grow on trees either. People who are needed to inspect yields at factories in Korea for the new iPad might now need to be pulled off the plane and redirected to Thailand and they're not going to do that.

It ain't magic. It all looks easy from here.

 

[BlueTide]

But, but, but, they gave us Dark Mode, that's as good as new hardware, aint it.

Hey, I think they said in the keynote that these things are inspired by the PRO people!