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PatrickNSF

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I was a bit surprised by how flexible the standard Epix band was
The Garmin bands keep improving (becoming more flexible) with each generation. My first came with a F5+ and even those bundled with the F6 we’re a nice improvement.

I generally avoid using third-party bands with expensive watches but the two Abanen ones I have feel very secure. I generally only use them for running and occasionally sleeping (much like I do with Apple‘s sport loop).
 
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DontGetTheCheese

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The Epix is the best Garmin I've owned. There's no game breaking bugs, everything makes sense, and it gets good battery life. The touch-screen is a nice add too.

Your use-case(s) will decide which one to buy but the Epix closes a lot of ground and the AW really, really needs to up it's battery life. Seven days vs one day just isn't gonna get it done for much longer.
 

johnb300m

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I’ve been switching back and forth between a Garmin and Apple Watch since it’s release in 2015, generally preferring the Garmin for workouts and the AW for daily wear. But with Garmin‘s latest training/recovery metrics released last week that rely on 24/7 use, I see myself joining you and going back to Garmin full time.

The EPIX 2 with its AMOLED display is probably the closest thing to having the best of both worlds, though the new Forerunner 955 is likely more comfortable for 24/7 wear. Good luck!
What are your thoughts on the Garmin app?
I've just picked up an AWSE, to replace my aging Vivoactive 3.
I really love Garmin's fitness-oriented features, but I've had a "like-HATE" relationship with the Garmin Connect ap for years.
There's like no support for it. It's clunky AF. Glitchy for me. Synching is terrible. It's sad, because it makes living with the fantastic VA3 a chore.
So I'm going to give AW a try for a while. And the tipping point to do so was the awesome added fitness features coming to Watch OS 9.
 

PatrickNSF

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What are your thoughts on the Garmin app?
I've just picked up an AWSE, to replace my aging Vivoactive 3.
I really love Garmin's fitness-oriented features, but I've had a "like-HATE" relationship with the Garmin Connect ap for years.
There's like no support for it. It's clunky AF. Glitchy for me. Synching is terrible. It's sad, because it makes living with the fantastic VA3 a chore.
So I'm going to give AW a try for a while. And the tipping point to do so was the awesome added fitness features coming to Watch OS 9.
I prefer Garmin Connect to the combination of Apple Heath/Workout. I like having all my data (sleep, workouts, steps, etc.) in one app. Whenever I've had periods of only using an AW I've exported those workouts into Garmin Connect (and supplemented the AW with a small Vivofit clip for steps).

With all the new training/recovery metrics and seamless integration in Garmin, I've already sold our backup AW and am transitioning to either an EPIX or 955 for 24/7 wear. But I train year round for races, and none of the third-party apps I've tried (Athlytic, Training Today) have been reliable for me. But I'm holding onto one AW for limited use...for now.
 
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alphasports

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What are your thoughts on the Garmin app?
I've just picked up an AWSE, to replace my aging Vivoactive 3.
I really love Garmin's fitness-oriented features, but I've had a "like-HATE" relationship with the Garmin Connect ap for years.
There's like no support for it. It's clunky AF. Glitchy for me. Synching is terrible. It's sad, because it makes living with the fantastic VA3 a chore.
So I'm going to give AW a try for a while. And the tipping point to do so was the awesome added fitness features coming to Watch OS 9.
Yeah the Garmin app takes some getting used to but it has improved. It always tended to work better on Android but I'm running iphone lately and it seems fine. They trick is getting it setup properly so it sees your watch/device...once it does an initial sync it seems to retain it. My problem is I have several Garmin devices (watches + bike computers) so the phone app tends to not know what to sync by default. The recent garmin devices have wifi sync which is awesome by letting you bypass phone sync completely.

My guess is you'll find AW just fine for your needs especially if you add an app like Workoutdoors which is fantastic. And if you want to keep Garmin Connect in sync with AW just grab RunGap for iphone and it will sync AW with a million other fitness portals including GC, works great. At least this way there is no penalty for switching allegiances every now and then!
 
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johnb300m

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just grab RunGap for iphone and it will sync AW with a million other fitness portals including GC, works great. At least this way there is no penalty for switching allegiances every now and then!
Thanks for this idea.
I think I'll look into that since this is my first foray into AW, and I've already got over 4yrs of data in Garmin Connect.
 

firstcellosuite

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I’ve owned my Series 5 Nike Sport Apple Watch since it launched a couple of years ago and it was a big reason for my getting healthy during the pandemic. But there are two things that are now making me look at upgrading to a Garmin Epix 2 Sapphire watch.

One is of course the battery life. I used to be able to get 30+ hours of wear time with my AW, but I’m now needing to recharge at the end of every day, so where I used to be able to wear my AW to sleep, now I can’t and it’s something I miss.

The other is less of a performance issue and more of an aesthetic issue - I’m sick of the rectangular watch shape. Previous to my AW purchase, I owned a Seiko Automatic watch, and wore it 24 hours a day for 15+ years. My youngest son is now wearing it and it has a decidedly more sporty look (with round case) flat sapphire lens (still in perfect condition) and stainless body that although scratched still looks fantastic. So I’m ready to jump back to a round watch, but not willing to give up the health tracking.

The talk about Apple releasing a more rugged AW is interesting, but I certainly don’t see them offering an AW with 6-16 days of battery life, like the Epix 2 can get. Sure, the Garmin doesn’t have cellular connectivity and can’t as seamlessly integrate with the iPhone, but I just can’t get excited about getting another AW without some significant jump in battery life.
A little background on my smartwatch history. I used an AW daily for about 3 years. I then decided to get a Fenix 5. It was great but i missed the AW so bought the series 5. My Garmin became the camping/outdoors watch while the AW 5 was every day use. After barely a year the darn thing died on me so i went back to the Fenix 5 but last year upgraded to the 6S Pro. I have smaller wrists so found the Fenix 5 to be too bulky for my tastes. A year later i love the 6S Pro and would only consider an AW if they came out with a rugged version whose battery life matched the Fenix series.

Something to think about - Garmin is great for fitness tracking and battery life. Any workout you pull up on the Garmin will tell you how much battery life is left in GPS mode. It's nice knowing I don't need to boost the watch before a run like i was doing with my AW. Smartwatch functionality is ok but nowhere near as seamless as the AW. I feel like a lot of reviews don't take that into consideration when reviewing a Garmin watch. If a watch that is fitness and battery life focused is important consider a Garmin.

One option is to get it at Best Buy and utilize their return window to test it out. i did that with about 3 other Garmin watches before settling on the Fenix series. BB just had some great sales on the Fenix series. I'm guessing they'll be back on Prime Day.

There is a learning curve to using the Garmin app and setting up the watch face how you want. It can be frustrating at times but once you sort it out the app is easy to use.
 

jmgregory1

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I joined you with the Epix. Sold my SS Apple 7 and bought it. Super happy so far.
Steep learning curve, but I have been spending time at night playing around with settings and I’m starting to feel like I have a handle on the watch and app. Can’t believe that I’ve gone a week without charging it, considering how much I’ve been using it, though none of my use has included GPS.
 
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Indianwin2001

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Steep learning curve, but I have been spending time at night playing around with settings and I’m starting to feel like I have a handle on the watch and app. Can’t believe that I’ve gone a week without charging it, considering how much I’ve been using it, though none of my use has included GPS.
I've had other Garmins before couple of years ago so the learning curve wasn't bad for me. But Yea Garmin and Connect can be complicated.
 

jmgregory1

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One thing I’ve always been surprised about with the titanium Fenix/EPIX watches is that they‘re the same weight as the stainless AWs (all with standard bands). I think the Fenix/EPIX appear heavier because the body is a bit bigger.

BTW these bands are great if you’re looking to reduce the weight and improve the fit for running or other cardio. And they’re easy to change out when you want to go back to a regular silicone band.

I got a set of the Abanen bands (green and black) over the weekend and swapped the original Garmin band for the green woven one and really like it. Even my wife commented on how nice it looks. I also put the watch through some rougher conditions, wearing it while sailing, including flipping the catamaran, getting banged up, and the Epix didn’t skip a beat. I still can’t believe how great the battery life is (compared to the AW), and I keep thinking I should be charging it, but won’t have to until later this week or next weekend.
 

PatrickNSF

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I got a set of the Abanen bands (green and black) over the weekend and swapped the original Garmin band for the green woven one and really like it.
Glad those are working out. A few other sellers have them on Amazon, but they’re of varying quality. These are Enduro-style and could be another option –

I don’t find the Garmin QuickFit bands particularly comfortable. They’re a bit overdone and the mechanism that attaches to the watch isn’t designed nearly as well as Apple’s.
 
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xDKP

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The EPIX is a beautiful, but Garmin’s introduction of the feature-packed 955/255 last week shifts the value proposition. You can get all the features of the EPIX in the 955 for half the price, and about 90% of the features in the 255 for 1/3 the price – all in lighter and smaller packages arguably more suitable for running, cycling, etc.

As a runner I know what you mean. But coming from an Apple Watch, going to those displays alone is a deal breaker for me
 

PatrickNSF

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As a runner I know what you mean. But coming from an Apple Watch, going to those displays alone is a deal breaker for me
That’s a fair point.

Given that the current Garmins require 24/7 wear to fully take advantage of the new training/recovery metrics, probably the best compromise if you’re looking to replace an Apple Watch is the EPIX but maybe with a third-party nylon band. It’s similar weight to an AW aluminum with the sport band, but lighter than stainless steel.
 
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As a runner I know what you mean. But coming from an Apple Watch, going to those displays alone is a deal breaker for me
With the MIP screen you have to learn to work with it, not against it. I have an ultra minimal white-on-black watchface on my Fenix 6X that makes it easy to read in any light.
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The real advantage is outside on a sunny day, the thing is just crystal clear. And the screen truly is "always on". It never turns off, ever.

After owning almost every variant of the Apple Watch, I won't buy another simply because of the battery life. I simply cannot go from 3 weeks back to 1 day. When I had a S5 cellular, I couldn't even get that - maybe 8 to 10 hours at best.
 
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With the MIP screen you have to learn to work with it, not against it. I have an ultra minimal white-on-black watchface on my Fenix 6X that makes it easy to read in any light.
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The real advantage is outside on a sunny day, the thing is just crystal clear. And the screen truly is "always on". It never turns off, ever.

After owning almost every variant of the Apple Watch, I won't buy another simply because of the battery life. I simply cannot go from 3 weeks back to 1 day. When I had a S5 cellular, I couldn't even get that - maybe 8 to 10 hours at best.
Yeah, the AW battery should be made illegal. That thing is horrendous. I went to the pool having 30% battery left on S7 cellular without iPhone and it lasted less than 2 hours. They should be ashamed of it.
 
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jmgregory1

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Yeah, the AW battery should be made illegal. That thing is horrendous. I went to the pool having 30% battery left on S7 cellular without iPhone and it lasted less than 2 hours. They should be ashamed of it.
After 12 days of some heavy use of my new Epix 2, at 34% left, it’s showing 6 days of usage remaining. Even if Apple could figure out how to extend the battery on their Watches to 2-3 days, I’m not going back.
 

jmgregory1

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Personally, I'd never say "never," but the EPIX battery life even when in always-on mode is pretty remarkable.
Ha, I thought exactly that as I was writing the above. I’d consider a Watch again, but they’ll need to make some significant improvements AND it would need to include making the Watch round.
 
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PatrickNSF

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Ha, I thought exactly that as I was writing the above. I’d consider a Watch again, but they’ll need to make some significant improvements AND it would need to include making the Watch round.
I'm sure after wearing a Garmin 24/7 for training this summer I'll be ready to resume answering calls and texts from my wrist after my marathons this fall 😁
 

jmgregory1

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I have to say the Epix is tempting but I refuse to pay the best part of a grand for a smartwatch.
The only thing I wish they offered, which I would pay even more for, would be an all titanium chassis version of the Epix, kind of like an update Marq version. For a device that you wear 24/7 and don’t have to worry about scratching or charging every night, the cost isn’t terrible.

Someone else did suggest buying two Apple Watches and swapping between them every day, which would work I suppose. I love how I can now travel for work and NOT have to bring my Watch charger puck, even when I’m going to be gone all week.
 

firstcellosuite

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I have to say the Epix is tempting but I refuse to pay the best part of a grand for a smartwatch.
One way to look at it - Garmin watches tend to last a long time. I've got a Fenix 5 coming up on 5 years. One button tends to stick a little and battery life probably lasts 8-10 days between charges rather than 14. But after 5 years it still works for fitness tracking and as an everyday watch. Meanwhile sitting in a drawer at home is a series 5 LTE AW with a battery that died after barely a year.
 
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