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Are there even external Thunderbolt video cards out there right now? I'd say just get the higher-end Mac mini with the AMD Radeon HD 6630M (which, for FCP X should be plenty sufficient), and don't get the Thunderbolt display. For what it is, it's worth every penny, but if you don't need the high resolution it offers, there's no point.

I already own the Apple monitor,and the Mac Mini. It's not a big deal though because I have a Core i7 Dell with a Cuda GPU in it that works great for video editing with Premiere Pro.I'm trying to learn Final Cut,so that's why I was looking into Thunderbolt capabilities.

I like the monitor too much to sell it,but a guy at work really wants my Mac Mini,so I may sell it to him and buy the more powerful model with discrete GPU. I just do video editing as a hobbie.

Check out this video of what this guy is doing with a Macbook Air.Of course I'm sure that's some expensive peripheral's he's using. Still pretty amazing though.http://9to5mac.com/2012/01/25/macbook-air-thunderbolt-editing-4k-video-shows-why-the-mac-pro-as-we-know-it-can-die/
 
I already own the Apple monitor,and the Mac Mini. It's not a big deal though because I have a Core i7 Dell with a Cuda GPU in it that works great for video editing with Premiere Pro.I'm trying to learn Final Cut,so that's why I was looking into Thunderbolt capabilities.

I like the monitor too much to sell it,but a guy at work really wants my Mac Mini,so I may sell it to him and buy the more powerful model with discrete GPU. I just do video editing as a hobbie.

Check out this video of what this guy is doing with a Macbook Air.Of course I'm sure that's some expensive peripheral's he's using. Still pretty amazing though.http://9to5mac.com/2012/01/25/macbook-air-thunderbolt-editing-4k-video-shows-why-the-mac-pro-as-we-know-it-can-die/

That video is pretty amazing. Personally, I think that the Mac mini is a stupid computer for how limited it is. That and how non-user-servicable it is for anything beyond the RAM. Yes, the current enclosure beats the Late 2009 and earlier chassis for sure, but still, it is far easier to upgrade much more of a MacBook Pro (in which you can very easily replace the hard drive) than it is of a Mac mini and, given that the latter is a "desktop", that's a crime. Not to mention that the Mac mini is basically a laptop minus a battery, screen and integrated mouse and keyboard. Sure, it's priced to be substantially cheaper than a MacBook Pro, but honestly, if you could afford a low-end current gen (or, hell, even an Early 2011 model) 15" MacBook Pro instead of a higher-end Mac mini, I'd say do that instead.
 
That video is pretty amazing. Personally, I think that the Mac mini is a stupid computer for how limited it is. That and how non-user-servicable it is for anything beyond the RAM. Yes, the current enclosure beats the Late 2009 and earlier chassis for sure, but still, it is far easier to upgrade much more of a MacBook Pro (in which you can very easily replace the hard drive) than it is of a Mac mini and, given that the latter is a "desktop", that's a crime. Not to mention that the Mac mini is basically a laptop minus a battery, screen and integrated mouse and keyboard. Sure, it's priced to be substantially cheaper than a MacBook Pro, but honestly, if you could afford a low-end current gen (or, hell, even an Early 2011 model) 15" MacBook Pro instead of a higher-end Mac mini, I'd say do that instead.

All good points.The MacBook Pro is Thunderbolt equipped and portable...you got me thinking.:)
 
All good points.The MacBook Pro is Thunderbolt equipped and portable...you got me thinking.:)

I mean, it's all a matter of personal preference. Obviously, if the machine isn't going to go anywhere, you save a metric f***ton of money getting a Mac mini over a MacBook Pro. Though, thinking practically, in terms of things like portability, serviceability and post-AppleCare-upgradability, and for the kind of machine you're getting, the MacBook Pro is probably Apple's most practical Mac. Though, being that I am a dual-platform user, I inherently dislike all of Apple's desktops for not being as serviceable as a custom-built PC tower, whereas I think Apple's MacBook Pro machines are more servicable than any PC laptop out there. But then again, I like having that option available to me.
 
IThough, being that I am a dual-platform user, I inherently dislike all of Apple's desktops for not being as serviceable as a custom-built PC tower.

So am I. My Windows PC is a Dell XPS 9100 with 16 gigs of ram ,and I've put a good GPU in it.It will handle anything I throw at it as far as my limited editing skills go.

I wish Apple would come out with a mid-size tower but I guess that will never happen,or not any time soon,so for now I will do my editing on my PC and will play with FCP on the mini until I make a decision on the MBP.
 
That's a good point. There really needs to be something between the Mini and the Mac Pro that isn't a laptop...or an iMac.

Just a mid-level dedicated computer.
 
At some point I do think apple will upgrade the mini to Ivy Bridge, but I think it will be the last line to get it, and I think there will be a delay. Apple seems to wait an extended periods to update the mini.
 
At some point I do think apple will upgrade the mini to Ivy Bridge, but I think it will be the last line to get it, and I think there will be a delay. Apple seems to wait an extended periods to update the mini.

extended period? The longest gap was way back in 2008. between the mid 2007 and early 2009. More recently the mini has been updated yearly (at least). So I think its reasonable to assume there will be an update this year. It may be just an under the bonnet tweak. with, perhaps a USB3. I doubt it will be more radical than that.
 
That video is pretty amazing. Personally, I think that the Mac mini is a stupid computer for how limited it is. That and how non-user-servicable it is for anything beyond the RAM.

I don't agree, you're getting a computer that's almost as good as a MacBook Pro with memory upgradeability up to 16GB, for less than half the price.

It's also great for travelling, last time I had to work abroad for a week I just brought the mini, I had a screen & desk at my destination. It's actually lighter than an 11" Air+Power supply (and cheaper than one of those too) so if you don't actually need to use it while travelling it's a good choice. And a lot more powerful.

I do a lot with virtual machines so 4GB would just be too limiting for me. I do have an 11" Air but I only use it for typical travelling stuff, nothing serious.

I know that video proves that you can even use an Air to edit 4K video but for what I do an Air wouldn't be enough as my only machine.
 
I don't agree, you're getting a computer that's almost as good as a MacBook Pro ..... 4K video but for what I do an Air wouldn't be enough as my only machine.

AND, in order to edit those videos in 4K, you need to have all those things set up, just like in the video, which we don't even know how much it will cost.

Back to the main topic, what if we had:

2.3GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 Ivy Bridge (honestly, any Ivy Bridge CPU would suit majority of the people)
4GB memory
750GB HDD
[Integrated GPU that comes with the CPU]
OS X Lion

This seems like a reasonable upgrade to me.
 
All this mac mini bashing! I have owned a mac mini since the first generation was released in 2005. And currently own the mac mini server. As well as at various times a 15" MBP, 11" MBA and the current gen 13" MBA. With these disclaimers out of the way, the reason why I LOVE the mac mini is that I can upgrade it every year without having to pay the depreciation of the relatively lo-tech monitor, keyboard and trackpad. To boot, if I want to sell a mac mini I can ship it to a buyer much more easily than an iMac or a mac pro. Even a macbook pro which I did a few weeks ago and I have to say I was holding my breath for days until my buyer gave me good feedback to confirm it got there in one piece. And yes, changing the hard drive of a mac mini is inherently more difficult than the same task for a macbook pro, but at the price, I can afford to upgrade every year whilst I couldn't do that with my macbook pro. So, I can take advantage of market prices of SDD and whatever component I want to upgrade...
 
That video is pretty amazing. Personally, I think that the Mac mini is a stupid computer for how limited it is. That and how non-user-servicable it is for anything beyond the RAM. Yes, the current enclosure beats the Late 2009 and earlier chassis for sure, but still, it is far easier to upgrade much more of a MacBook Pro (in which you can very easily replace the hard drive) than it is of a Mac mini and, given that the latter is a "desktop", that's a crime. Not to mention that the Mac mini is basically a laptop minus a battery, screen and integrated mouse and keyboard. Sure, it's priced to be substantially cheaper than a MacBook Pro, but honestly, if you could afford a low-end current gen (or, hell, even an Early 2011 model) 15" MacBook Pro instead of a higher-end Mac mini, I'd say do that instead.

The mini is a great computer; stupid it is not.

That said, it's not a great computer for all tasks, so in a sense you are kind of right too.

I have the i5 and swapped out the HDD for an SSD. I'm not a massive tech dude and I must say, it was not that hard.

I love the price and form factor. My TV is now 'smarter' than any you can buy on the market!;)
 
swapped out the HDD for an SSD. I'm not a massive tech dude and I must say, it was not that hard.

What I am hoping to do with mine at some point this year when the price of SSD is right for my needs. Glad you said it's not so hard. I am not that techie either but willing to have a go.
 
But the iMac is a dedicated computer ...

I think they mean headless :)

Well, more that it's not an all-in-one and that it's a desktop with more modularity than either the iMac or the Mac mini.

I don't agree, you're getting a computer that's almost as good as a MacBook Pro with memory upgradeability up to 16GB, for less than half the price.

Well, no, if you have a problem and you have 16GB in there, Apple can and will refuse to provide warranty service, which, mind you, is a bulk of the real value to buying their desktop hardware in the first place (over something like a Hackintosh). Also, your "less than half the price" assumes that we're talking about the entry-level Mac mini which, given its processor and GPU for a desktop costing $600 is a pitiful machine. Do I think the entry level 13" MacBook Pro should cost more than twice that? Not at all. But I do think that it's a much better value for what you're paying for, especially since you can't really hackintosh a laptop anywhere near as easily as you can a desktop, giving an Apple-branded laptop that much more value.

It's also great for travelling, last time I had to work abroad for a week I just brought the mini, I had a screen & desk at my destination. It's actually lighter than an 11" Air+Power supply (and cheaper than one of those too) so if you don't actually need to use it while travelling it's a good choice. And a lot more powerful.

So for the cost of a standard laptop with a dual-core Sandy Bridge Core i5 processor, the Intel HD 3000 pos graphics, and 4GB of RAM, and a 500GB hard drive, I get a desktop with those components light enough for me to carry. I'm sorry, but I fail to see what's so great about that.

I do a lot with virtual machines so 4GB would just be too limiting for me. I do have an 11" Air but I only use it for typical travelling stuff, nothing serious.

It's an overglorified x86 iPad running full-on Mac OS X instead of iOS. You can pretty much ONLY use it for typical traveling stuff and nothing serious.

I know that video proves that you can even use an Air to edit 4K video but for what I do an Air wouldn't be enough as my only machine.

This proves that you are at least a sane person.

All this mac mini bashing! I have owned a mac mini since the first generation was released in 2005. And currently own the mac mini server. As well as at various times a 15" MBP, 11" MBA and the current gen 13" MBA. With these disclaimers out of the way, the reason why I LOVE the mac mini is that I can upgrade it every year without having to pay the depreciation of the relatively lo-tech monitor, keyboard and trackpad. To boot, if I want to sell a mac mini I can ship it to a buyer much more easily than an iMac or a mac pro. Even a macbook pro which I did a few weeks ago and I have to say I was holding my breath for days until my buyer gave me good feedback to confirm it got there in one piece. And yes, changing the hard drive of a mac mini is inherently more difficult than the same task for a macbook pro, but at the price, I can afford to upgrade every year whilst I couldn't do that with my macbook pro. So, I can take advantage of market prices of SDD and whatever component I want to upgrade...

Why upgrade every year? It's not like they get THAT much faster from rev to rev.

What I am hoping to do with mine at some point this year when the price of SSD is right for my needs. Glad you said it's not so hard. I am not that techie either but willing to have a go.

You need to remove the bottom cover, the fan, the cowling, the antenna plate, the logic board, and the internal power supply if you're replacing the top drive, and same sans the power supply if you're replacing the bottom drive. If that's not hard for you, then fantastic. Otherwise, I'd highly recommend against it. It also voids your AppleCare.

The mini is a great computer; stupid it is not.

Here's why I strongly disagree with that statement. The Mac mini costs $600 at baseline and $800 for the high-end model (which, in my opinion is the only one worth considering given its discrete GPU and drive options). For $500, you could build a Hackintosh that not only crushes the $600 mini, but is also many times more expandable, comes with the SSD that said model will never have, as well as a hard drive, as well as the optical drive that these models all don't have. Same goes doubly for the $800 mini. It is a desktop where you have to partially remove the logic board to even get at the hard drives, and at that point, you can only replace them and RAM. For a desktop computer, that is pitiful in terms of expansion. Not to mention, you're not even getting desktop components at all with the mini; everything inside, from chipset, to CPU, to GPU, to drives and RAM, all designed for laptops, and therefore weaker. It's a terrible value out of the context of Apple's Mac line (and given that it's about as hard to build and set up a Hackintosh as it is to replace the hard drive on the i5 mini you own, that's worth mentioning) and in the context of it, it's only a good value because for some reason, they feel as though a battery and a screen costs enough to warrant the difference in price between the minis and the 13" MBPs.

That said, it's not a great computer for all tasks, so in a sense you are kind of right too.

It's fine for most tasks. As long as it's not an epic-large file server, a gaming machine, or a workstation powerhouse, the mini will suffice for just about anything. Though that kind of applies to most low-mid-range hardware these days.

I have the i5 and swapped out the HDD for an SSD. I'm not a massive tech dude and I must say, it was not that hard.

My point wasn't that it's hard. The only hard machine to service, in my opinion is the iMac. The point is that it's not as easy as (a) it should be, and (b) it is on any unibody MacBook Pro. It shouldn't be harder to replace a hard drive (even if we're saying that it's not hard at all) on ANY desktop than it is on a unibody MacBook Pro. If it is, then you paid way more attention to form over function as a chassis engineer. Again, it's a desktop. Go to any desktop and the procedure should be, remove panel, remove screws, remove cables, replace drive. Not, remove bottom plate, remove cowling, remove antenna plate, remove power supply, remove screws, remove logic board, remove cables, remove drives; that's needlessly ridiculous for a desktop; hell even a laptop too (given that even non-MacBook-Pro PC laptops all also follow the same ease of hard drive replacement that the Unibody MacBook Pros have).

I love the price and form factor. My TV is now 'smarter' than any you can buy on the market!;)

The form factor is all you're really paying for. That the ability to run Mac OS X without having to make a Hackintosh. But when you consider that (a) it's not hard, and (b) you can get a more powerful machine for the same money, your TV can be even smarter for even cheaper. And, unlike the Mac mini, you can actually upgrade the crap out of it.
 
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All this mac mini bashing! I have owned a mac mini since the first generation was released in 2005. And currently own the mac mini server. As well as at various times a 15" MBP, 11" MBA and the current gen 13" MBA. With these disclaimers out of the way, the reason why I LOVE the mac mini is that I can upgrade it every year without having to pay the depreciation of the relatively lo-tech monitor, keyboard and trackpad. To boot, if I want to sell a mac mini I can ship it to a buyer much more easily than an iMac or a mac pro. Even a macbook pro which I did a few weeks ago and I have to say I was holding my breath for days until my buyer gave me good feedback to confirm it got there in one piece. And yes, changing the hard drive of a mac mini is inherently more difficult than the same task for a macbook pro, but at the price, I can afford to upgrade every year whilst I couldn't do that with my macbook pro. So, I can take advantage of market prices of SDD and whatever component I want to upgrade...

I agree.

You can replace the HD and it does not, I repeat does not void the warranty. Only if you mess something up does it void the warranty. And they will not service any third party parts. Other than that, you are good to go. They will not service the new HD that you installed. But the rest of the computer yes.

Changing the HD isn't any more difficult than on anyother mini computer. Easier than the HP or the Dell. You can't compare the Mini to a tower. Look at the form factor. The engineering on the Mini is exceptional. I don't know how they fit everything in that tight space. How many unibody micro computers are there out there? Zero besides the mini.

The mini is the best deal going for a Mac. I bought a dual 2.7 and added my own OEM SSD and added 8gb of ram for about $1200. You can configure the same machine on Apple's site for around $1400.

You are paying for the engineering and OSX on the Mini. If a tower suits you and it all about hardware and how much off the shelf parts you can fit into a computer. You will never grasp the reason for the mini in the first place. The i7's that are used in the mini are not cheap parts. Costs more than their desktop equivalents. The mini is high quality. Period. If you want a cheapo windows box that can run osx. A mini isn't for you.

If you are comparing the Mini to a tower you don't get the reason for the Mini in the first place. Try fitting that tower on your desk and have it be completely silent and hardly visable. Or run a update to OSX for a hackintosh. If you like frustration Windows is for you. A mini is not.

You don't have to remove the logic board. It took me 15 min to replace the HD on the Mini. Not hard at all. Most people that complain about replacing the HD have never done it before.

The mini is the ideal mac. Powerfull, quiet. small, and has a high resale value. It has a alum unibody frame that is the smallest on the planet for what you are getting. The engineering that went into making is really amazing.

You can change out the Mac mini every year if you wanted. Want a new monitor, go ahead get a new one. Try doing that with a imac. Or a macbook pro.

Laptop parts are just as powerfull as their desktop equivalents or more so watt for watt.. for mainstream use. No down side to having them, other than they run cooler and quieter. I don't see the down side. Your not going to get a sandybridge E in a mini, but than again that is not what it was designed for.
 
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You can replace the HD and it does not, I repeat does not void the warranty. Only if you mess something up does it void the warranty. And they will not service any third party parts. Other than that, you are good to go. They will not service the new HD that you installed. But the rest of the computer yes.

I've worked at an Apple Authorized Service Provider as an Apple Certified Macintosh Technician. Not to toot my own horn, but I know for a fact that you are wrong about that. For one, the only officially user-servicable parts on that machine are the bottom cover and the RAM. That's it. If they find that someone not certified or working for a certified outfit or an Apple Store as a Genius Bar worker has cracked that thing open, they can and will deny a covered-under-warranty repair. Period. That said, if they open up the machine and can't tell that such a repair was done, then they can't declare the warranty voided. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...you hopefully get the point.

Changing the HD isn't any more difficult than on anyother mini computer. Easier than the HP or the Dell. You can't compare the Mini to a tower. Look at the form factor. The engineering on the Mini is exceptional. I don't know how they fit everything in that tight space. How many unibody micro computers are there out there? Zero besides the mini.

Comparing the Mac mini to a similar (or even the same) class of product made by Dell and HP is one thing. Comparing it to the breadth of other options out there let alone comparing its internals to other computers using the exact same CPUs and North and South Bridges from Intel is another. Going with the former comparison, I'm not shocked that Apple's engineering beats anyone else's, but that's not as much my point as the latter comparison. That and mini machines are pointless unless you need a portable machine that isn't a laptop (and really how many people out there fit that specific niche?) or if you demand a silent machine that also isn't a laptop. If that's you, fine. Mazel Tov. If it isn't, then what's the point of spending $600 for a desktop with the same internals as a $500 laptop?

The mini is the best deal going for a Mac. I bought a dual 2.7 and added my own OEM SSD and added 8gb of ram for about $1200. You can configure the same machine on Apple's site for around $1400.

This further demonstrates my point that Apple charges way too much for way too little of a machine.

You are paying for the engineering and OSX on the Mini. If a tower suits you and it all about hardware and how much off the shelf parts you can fit into a computer. You will never grasp the reason for the mini in the first place. The i7's that are used in the mini are not cheap parts. Costs more than their desktop equivalents. The mini is high quality. Period. If you want a cheapo windows box that can run osx. A mini isn't for you.

See that's where your evangelical Apple Fanboyism shows itself. Being that this is macrumors.com and that I'm also an Apple Fanboy, I won't fault you, but I think you fail to grasp some key things here.

For one, about the only amazing thing about this current mini from any technological or engineering standpoint is the fact that the chassis is one part and that every other part snaps into it as well as it does. Barring that, there's nothing really amazing about it. From a servicing standpoint, it's almost worse to deal with than the Late 2009 and earlier Mac minis, and again, I don't care whether it's a mini or a full-blown workstation tower, they are not constrained with a thinness requirement like they are with laptops; they are not constrained with a weight requirement like they are with laptops; it should be as easy to replace any part in the Mac mini as it is in any of the Unibody MacBook Pro models, let alone any PC desktop out there. Period. If it's not, then the engineering could stand to be improved. And for the nonsense premium for an Apple branded desktop that saves me an afternoon of Hackintoshing, I had better get that improved engineering.

That being said, the parts in that "cheapo Windows box" would be not only higher quality, but FASTER IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. For the cost of a Mac mini with a Dual-Core i5 and a AMD Radeon 6630M, you could build a high-quality system with a quad-core i5 and a Radeon 6770 (notice the lack of the "M" at the end of that). And yes, I could have Lion running stably on it. So aside from a quieter running computer and being spared the hassle of looking up how to get whatever specific configuration up and running, I fail to see how Apple's "amazing engineering" is worth the cost. Really, if you refuse to go with a Hackintosh because you lack the patience and/or technical skill for it (which I can respect), and have no need to ever take the computer anywhere, AND find a Mac Pro too much for your needs, THEN AND ONLY THEN is a Mac mini a sensible computer.

If you are comparing the Mini to a tower you don't get the reason for the Mini in the first place. Try fitting that tower on your desk and have it be completely silent and hardly visable. Or run a update to OSX for a hackintosh. If you like frustration Windows is for you. A mini is not.

I don't need a silent computer that somehow isn't a laptop. For those that fit that niche, it's a perfect computer. But for everyone else, it's an overpriced underpowered Mac desktop.

You don't have to remove the logic board. It took me 15 min to replace the HD on the Mini. Not hard at all. Most people that complain about replacing the HD have never done it before.

So, I've consulted the official Apple Service Manuals to both the Mid 2010 models and the Mid 2011 models as well as the iFixit guides for both machines. All three resources confirmed that you do have to at least partially remove the logic board to replace the drives (completely if it is the second drive). So unless you are following a magical third guide that magically circumvents this procedure, I'm gonna have to call BS on your claim there.

That being said, I never said it was a hard procedure. Getting one's oil changed in their car isn't a hard procedure; but how many people know how to do it? How many people would be willing to do it? Doing this task on a MacBook Pro is as simple as removing 14 screws (10 for the bottom plate, 4 for the drive), unplugging the battery cable, replacing the drive, replugging in the battery cable and redoing the screws. The fact that it isn't this simple on the Mac mini, let alone any "mini" computer made by any computer manufacturer is stupid. Period. I'm sorry if you disagree.

The mini is the ideal mac. Powerfull, quiet. small, and has a high resale value. It has a alum unibody frame that is the smallest on the planet for what you are getting. The engineering that went into making is really amazing.

If small and quiet are the things you look for in a computer, fan-freakin'-tastic. Personally, I don't understand the need for "small", but I can at least fathom situations where "quiet" is beneficial. Do I feel like I should have to pay a premium for small? Not at all. But Apple doesn't give me that choice. I'm sure that most Mac mini customers would be fine with a machine with twice the thickness if it meant shaving off a one to two hundred off the price tag. Frankly, the Mac mini's unibody engineering does nothing for me that I didn't get with the Late 2009 and earlier Mac minis. At least the Unibody MacBook Pros make the machines drastically sturdier and easier to service than their predecessors. But hey man, if you like tooting Apple's horn, don't let me stop you.

You can change out the Mac mini every year if you wanted. Want a new monitor, go ahead get a new one. Try doing that with a imac. Or a macbook pro.

The only reason you'd want to replace the monitor on those machines is if they broke. Otherwise, each of those machines supports any external display...just like the Mac mini. And for the most part, the only time the iMac or MacBook Pro displays ever break is if the user is stupid and breaks them.

Laptop parts are just as powerfull as their desktop equivalents or more so watt for watt.. for mainstream use. No down side to having them, other than they run cooler and quieter. I don't see the down side. Your not going to get a sandybridge E in a mini, but than again that is not what it was designed for.

Desktop parts get you better bang for buck. When I buy a new computer, I don't buy the one that looks the sleekest. I'm buying it because I need it to get a job done. I'm buying it because it serves a utility function. Toward that end, I think the MacBook Pros are fantastic machines because they are well-engineered (far better than even the closest competitor) and for what they are, they're only marginally costlier than the competition. That said, Hackintoshing a laptop will never yield you with anywhere near as stable of a machine, and even if it did, that machine would have terrible build quality.

Building your own tower for Mac OS X on the other hand would yield just as high quality of a machine, that is faster, tons more upgradable, and costs less. Oh yeah, and it's no harder to do that, and set it up so that OS X system updates aren't at all a pain, than it is to replace the hard drive in a Mac mini. I'd argue that it's actually easier. So again, aside from a quiet machine, what exactly am I getting for my $600-800?
 
So, I've consulted the official Apple Service Manuals to both the Mid 2010 models and the Mid 2011 models as well as the iFixit guides for both machines. All three resources confirmed that you do have to at least partially remove the logic board to replace the drives (completely if it is the second drive). So unless you are following a magical third guide that magically circumvents this procedure, I'm gonna have to call BS on your claim there.

There's a video linked in one of the threads here (too lazy to look for it now) that shows a guy replacing both drives without removing the logic board, or even sliding it out a little.....so it can be done.
 
There's a video linked in one of the threads here (too lazy to look for it now) that shows a guy replacing both drives without removing the logic board, or even sliding it out a little.....so it can be done.

You're not giving me much (anything) to work with here. :p
 
I really don't understand the hate of the Mac Mini here.

Sure, it's a bit expensive but every Apple product is more expensive than it should be for the specs you get. Especially the 15" and 17" MBP. You can get business laptops with the same specs for nearly half and that unibody is not worth that much.

I just love the mini because I like to have a dedicated desktop, I hate the hassle of having just one laptop and no desktop. My desktop is always there when I need it, no need to take it out of my bag and plug it in.

Any computer should be quiet in my opinion and the mini does that well. I don't care too much about size (unless it's not like the pro or something), but I wouldn't go for an iMac because I hate glossy screens.

Also, I use my screen for other things as well, such as my Xbox. You can't do that with an iMac (the new 27" only accepts input from Thunderbolt Macs). For me that's a big feature because I have limited space.

For me the mini offers excellent performance and price. Of course there's the premium but that comes with the Mac territory. You can easily get more bang for your buck with a hackintosh but I want my computer to just work without hassle and not to worry every time there's an update. A hackintosh is a cool trick but no comparison to a real Mac.
 
I really don't understand the hate of the Mac Mini here.

Sure, it's a bit expensive but every Apple product is more expensive than it should be for the specs you get. Especially the 15" and 17" MBP. You can get business laptops with the same specs for nearly half and that unibody is not worth that much.

I just love the mini because I like to have a dedicated desktop, I hate the hassle of having just one laptop and no desktop. My desktop is always there when I need it, no need to take it out of my bag and plug it in.

Any computer should be quiet in my opinion and the mini does that well. I don't care too much about size (unless it's not like the pro or something), but I wouldn't go for an iMac because I hate glossy screens.

Also, I use my screen for other things as well, such as my Xbox. You can't do that with an iMac (the new 27" only accepts input from Thunderbolt Macs). For me that's a big feature because I have limited space.

For me the mini offers excellent performance and price. Of course there's the premium but that comes with the Mac territory. You can easily get more bang for your buck with a hackintosh but I want my computer to just work without hassle and not to worry every time there's an update. A hackintosh is a cool trick but no comparison to a real Mac.

There is only one thing macrumors dwellers hate more than minis. And that is people who buy mac pros.
"Why do you need such a powerful machine?" They´ll scream
"you're better off with a mini for those needs"

Of course, we know that they also hate the minis... sooo its a vicious cycle :eek:

:D
 
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