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iWork '09 Torrent Carrying OS X Trojan
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And so it begins...
Yap. And basically there are still some unanswered questions, because this whole piracy discussion took of. I'd rather read more about the trojan, you know.
Anyway...with the advent of SL I guess I'll be safe, as SL won't work on PPC
And who does a Universal Binary of a Trojan anyway?
Ofcourse it does because you are using the logic "Piracy == stealing, stealing is always very bad, therefore Piracy is always very bad, QED". Until you accept the truth that Copyright infringement is not theft but rather something else you cannot therefore have a rational discussion.
The fact is that many software companies use piracy to increase market share. It was a central strategy of Microsoft who intentionally allowed wanton piracy of XP to enforce a stanglehold on the market.
Apple is doing this right now by removing the serial requirement from iWork, they want this product pirated as they need to increase the install base. Probably to transition to selling services like iWork.com online.
Well I disagree with your argument of Apple wanting this to be pirated, but agree on everything else.
It's simple guys: If I STEAL your car, you don't have a car anymore; If I PIRATE your sortware, now you and me have the software and you can still sell it for a profit. I did not take anything from you, I just took it for me. IS it that difficult to understand.
And as I told you before, it is NOT ILLEGAL in many countries, most of the EU countries actually. It is considered a civil offense in which the owner of the rights MIGHT be entitled to some compensation but the pirate can not be punished besides a fine. The owner of the rights does not even have the right to ask for the identity of the pirate on the grounds of a civil offense.
As I mentioned before in other posts, it is not companies like MS, Apple, the record industry or the movie industry the most adequate ones to speak about morality. If I'm pirating (which I'm not since a long time ago, by the way) it's because I might have taken a lesson from them.
The picture and the reasoning make sense, but it is not common sense that dictates what theft is, and what not.
It is the law that defines what is theft and what is not. In most countries the law is quite clear on this: software piracy is theft.
Not true. In the US, if you steal $1000 worth of software, you go to jail. If you pirate the same amount, you might have to pay around $3000 to settle or go to court and then pay a fine plus compensation to the rights owner, but you won't go to jail. Law is very clear in every country: piracy is not theft. In some countries is illegal and in some others is allegal (civil offense) but in no one is equivalent to theft. Because you don't remove anything from anyone, which is the definition of theft.
Go read up on history. Hacking AT&T's network is one of the first things they did together.
If you're learning an industry, you'll gain the benefit of buying the tools. Besides, as a student your pricing is so much cheaper than the full price that to suggest that you need to rip off others just to get what you want is patently ridiculous and more than a little selfish. If you're making money off of the work you do with this software, how can you sleep at night knowing that you're ripping off the people that made that software? You would get all up in arms if you create a design for someone and they used it without paying you for it, but you do the same to someone else and you feel justified because you (supposedly) can't afford it.
jW
Exactly which CEO in the record/movie/software industry have you seen asking for money in the subway covered with newspapers?.
Please, don't be so dramatic.
Asking a poor working family for thousands of dollars just because a teen-ager downloaded some music could end up with several people actually asking for money in the subway. And I did not see any of you complaining when that happened during the massive suing process delivered by the RIAA.
Wrong. Under section 2319 of title 18, you might go to jail.
Wanna share where you are seeing this definition of theft?
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the situation is not like some people want to see it. Industry still makes tones of money and actually internet stores have reduced a lot of their expenses. That's what I meant by not being so dramatic.
Again, how many people of the HUNDREDS that were sued by the RIAA were actually even close of going to jail? In how many cases that was even discussed?.
Now, go to your local Virgin Store, and steal more than 1000 songs (all those people were originally sued were sharing that amount or more), that is around 100 CDs. Tell me wether you are going to jail or not.
Actually all those people were accused of SHARING those files, as downloaders were not accused. Only people with such amount of files in their shared folder were sued on the grounds of distributing copyright material without authorization, not stealing. And lawyers only asked for money as a compensation, not jail.
That doesn't preclude the possibility that you might go to jail, which the conviction for copyright infringement in the U.S. certainly allows for. To simply state "you won't go to jail" as a matter of fact is misleading. Given the right circumstances, you could.
Incorrect, in english law theft is the permanent deprivation of property belonging to another. The distinction between theft and copyright infringement is quite clear, see Dowling v. United States (1985). Most other countries are more liberal than those that are based on english law.
That said in a significant number of countries copyright infringement is against the law, and can constitute a criminal offense.
The only alternative to piracy is the complete lock down of your computer equipment, combined with the most restrictive TrustedComputing DRM possible and big brother style oversight of every process running on your CPU. This is not a world you would enjoy to compute in, innovation would stagnate and the software industry would be dominated by those that can jump through the administrative hoops.
The alternative to some piracy is the death of the computer industry as we know it, i'm with the pirates all day long.
No, but a crime means less if no-one suffers damages.
Good point. Not. Software engineers and GOOD business people are some of the pickiest individuals in the business, and rightfully so. Anyone can code, but to make something production ready that works across a multitude of mediums and can heal itself (such as data center hardware/apps) cost plenty to produce.
I wish everyone here would start up a software company and try to get away with paying programmers substantially less than they could earn in typical trades. That would be the best.ceo.lynching.ever.
Anyway..
Software != music. No matter how you slice it, if you have gripes with the software industry or the music industry, thats fine, but you can't apply one argument to another and "itz mines cuz I can't afford it" doesn't work either; its makes one sound a bit thick.
In other news. Adobe Photoshop CS4 apparently has the same trojan as iWork.
http://www.intego.com/news/ism0902.asp
Attention pirates: someone wants in your box. Do you accept? (y/n)
Which is why you just get the direct download from Apple.
Because it included the serial number for a full version
By that logic, neither is rape. I don't see how that makes it right.
It isn't a crime, but your sense of humor is