According to Macobserver.com's Macworld coverage. None of the other live coverages remark on the up-to-date program promotion. So at least for some it will be $19.95. Who will get it, is the big question that remains unanswered. So keep the coupons that came in your Mac OS X box or new Mac. They may be worth the tune of $110.
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Jaguar full version $129, up-to-date program $19.95
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Up-to-date program details:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
"Your Macintosh is a state-of-the-art computer, engineered for power, speed and ease of use. It is ready for Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar which significantly enhances the modern foundation of Mac OS X and builds upon it with innovative new features including iChat, an AOL compatible instant messaging application, an expanded, more powerful Mail application featuring advanced junk mail filtering, and Sherlock 3, the evolution of web searching that will change the way you use the Internet.
Apple would like to give you the opportunity to upgrade to Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar. Customers who purchase a qualifying new Macintosh computer on or after July 17, 2002, that does not have Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar included can upgrade to Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar for US$19.95.* See Terms and Conditions for program details.
The program ends on October 31, 2002. Your order must be postmarked or faxed by October 31, 2002, so order your upgrade now...* Covers product plus shipping and handling fee. U.S. customers add appropriate state sales tax. "
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
"Your Macintosh is a state-of-the-art computer, engineered for power, speed and ease of use. It is ready for Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar which significantly enhances the modern foundation of Mac OS X and builds upon it with innovative new features including iChat, an AOL compatible instant messaging application, an expanded, more powerful Mail application featuring advanced junk mail filtering, and Sherlock 3, the evolution of web searching that will change the way you use the Internet.
Apple would like to give you the opportunity to upgrade to Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar. Customers who purchase a qualifying new Macintosh computer on or after July 17, 2002, that does not have Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar included can upgrade to Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar for US$19.95.* See Terms and Conditions for program details.
The program ends on October 31, 2002. Your order must be postmarked or faxed by October 31, 2002, so order your upgrade now...* Covers product plus shipping and handling fee. U.S. customers add appropriate state sales tax. "
looks like it, but this is a huge upgrade, full of software and said to make a G3 run like a G4, I think its worth it, I think everybody is overreacting about all this pay stuff. Its a company, not a charity. If you love apple so much, and you want them to just give you stuff, buy some stock and make Apple worth more money, then they won't be so ight fisted with the Freebies.
It may be worth it, but I will be upset to say the least if I have to spend $129 for the "upgrade" on the iMac I purchased in March. I was expecting a $19.95 upgrade cost for everyone, just like for 10.1. What's the deal????
While I agree, I also don't like the fact that they offered a "free" e-mail for so long and then decided to make it a manditory pay service. $100 all at once is quite a bit of money for e-mail (which is all that a lot of people really want). No option for monthly payments, either.
I think this was a VERY bad move.
I can handle paying for an OS upgrade. This seems reasonable to me.
Taft
I think your mac.com email is still free. You just only get 5MB instead of 15MB with a pay account. It's called a "trial account", but it's still free, as far as I can tell.
Agreed - I'm wondering if positioning the death of iTools 75 days out rather than just 5 weeks away is to give them room for a little backtracking, or to introduce ".Mac Lite" if they're not getting the signup numbers they want.
Remeber, it's $49 for the next 75 days.
It's not bad considering you get 100MB storage, Virex 7.1, 15MB email account, AND iSync between multiple Macs. For a little over $4 a month.
And also, it makes good business sense for Apple, even if we're the once having to pay.
It's not bad considering you get 100MB storage, Virex 7.1, 15MB email account, AND iSync between multiple Macs. For a little over $4 a month.
And also, it makes good business sense for Apple, even if we're the once having to pay.
Hope you're right
I hope you're right. When I have the $50 (discount rate), I'll pay it, assuming this Trial I've got proves that the new .mac is worth the annual fee. But if apple refuses to give me free email, I might not subscribe just to spite apple. I think they need a .mac for free where you get an email account free w/every mac bought, and a .mac for $100 a year with all the other stuff.
I hope you're right. When I have the $50 (discount rate), I'll pay it, assuming this Trial I've got proves that the new .mac is worth the annual fee. But if apple refuses to give me free email, I might not subscribe just to spite apple. I think they need a .mac for free where you get an email account free w/every mac bought, and a .mac for $100 a year with all the other stuff.
HUH? finance a hundred bucks? that sure doesn't seem like the way to go. it's not like macs go for 500 dollars and the company is asking you to shell out a fifth of the cost of the system just for OS upgrade. I'll gladly pay the $130 and put it on my three g4's.
Dammit! Sonouvabizatch! I can somewhat agree with the $129 for the upgrade but having to pay for email? You gotta be insane. I don't care about the iTools crap, I just want free email. I finally finished telling everyone my new email and now they have to do this. It's so bogus! If you buy a computer from them, the least they could do is give you a free mac.com email with just 5megs of storage, at least
i don't agree with the up-to-date program. It should at least go back one month. It's not fair for "/switchers" like myself that bought a mac 2 weeks ago... to now have to spend 130 bux on a new update.
I think the upgrade cost is fine but I can't put up with paying for the email. Is there any chance they might decide to make it alone free?
did anyone notice the little note under the buy me button that said (single user)? you dont think that they will pull any strict per computer install type things like microsoft xp do you?
-john
-john
I hope not... But there is some good news for all you educational users. You can get Jaguar for $69. If your not...go find a friend in college...
Jaguar update for $19.95
Well, it was an unexpected benefit but I'll take it. I was holding out to see if they brought the 17" iMac screen to the the whole range of iMacs, but as I suspected, only the top-end unit got the bigger screen. Ended up going with the 700 15" combo iMac for my wife's birthday. Now I find out that I can get 10.2 for $100 off! BONUS!!
Well, it was an unexpected benefit but I'll take it. I was holding out to see if they brought the 17" iMac screen to the the whole range of iMacs, but as I suspected, only the top-end unit got the bigger screen. Ended up going with the 700 15" combo iMac for my wife's birthday. Now I find out that I can get 10.2 for $100 off! BONUS!!
this thing better be worth 129. the only reason that they made 10.1 cheap was because it was necessary for productivity. look at the apps out there. office x is for 10.1 or later. photoshop was for 10.1 or later. 10.1 was a coverup. now even those who already forked out over $100 for 10.0.0 (like me) have to pay for one of the more 'final' versions after already paying for the work in progress.
anybody know what the student discount will be on it?
anybody know what the student discount will be on it?
file sharing & Jaguar
I think Apple realizes that they need to make as much money from 10.2 from customers who will buy it, because they know we live in an age of people downloading software for free. Apple knows that tons of people had quicktime 6 before the beta version because of all the file sharing programs.
Music artists now charge more for concert tix to offset the loss of cd revenue. Apple will charge more for jaguar to offset the loss from people illegally downloading and sharing it.
what do you think?
I think Apple realizes that they need to make as much money from 10.2 from customers who will buy it, because they know we live in an age of people downloading software for free. Apple knows that tons of people had quicktime 6 before the beta version because of all the file sharing programs.
Music artists now charge more for concert tix to offset the loss of cd revenue. Apple will charge more for jaguar to offset the loss from people illegally downloading and sharing it.
what do you think?
hey guys, Apple spent 9 million dollars in r&d for Jaguar, and in an economy like this, they can't afford to let that money go to waste. I'll spend the $129 when it comes out not only to upgrade my computer, but to support Apple, the company I love. Sure, you can say that you like Macs, and that you're for them all the way, but when you refuse to hand over cash for something worthwile, you're hurting the company...
yes and no.
quicktime is free, so downloading that doesn't really offset anything for apple, downloading the pro version, which should be free, does, but apple is wrong for charging for it anyway. as for jaguar, i have a powerbook g3 400 pismo, and it runs like a new machine, i'm using 6c87, and it really does make so much a difference. but i have a problem, i see how this runs as the way it should have ran when osx first came out, so i don't see this being a "upgrade" but really, a late revision. i don't consider them "new" features, but features that should have already been there but were left out. we are going from 10.1.5, to 10.2, not to osx2 or something. i know that's how they want to make it seem, like you are buying a new os. but really, osx when it first came out was crap, ran like crap, didn't do much of what it promised, now with jaguar, it's ready, sort of like anything before it was a beta and this is the final. but why pay again for it, i sort of feel owed this after paying for not only 10, but 10.1 as well. dvd didn't work, nothing was optimized, no programs were out, now that everything works, and there are programs, they want me to pay for something to run correctly, stop me if i'm wrong but that seems a bit wrong to me.
quicktime is free, so downloading that doesn't really offset anything for apple, downloading the pro version, which should be free, does, but apple is wrong for charging for it anyway. as for jaguar, i have a powerbook g3 400 pismo, and it runs like a new machine, i'm using 6c87, and it really does make so much a difference. but i have a problem, i see how this runs as the way it should have ran when osx first came out, so i don't see this being a "upgrade" but really, a late revision. i don't consider them "new" features, but features that should have already been there but were left out. we are going from 10.1.5, to 10.2, not to osx2 or something. i know that's how they want to make it seem, like you are buying a new os. but really, osx when it first came out was crap, ran like crap, didn't do much of what it promised, now with jaguar, it's ready, sort of like anything before it was a beta and this is the final. but why pay again for it, i sort of feel owed this after paying for not only 10, but 10.1 as well. dvd didn't work, nothing was optimized, no programs were out, now that everything works, and there are programs, they want me to pay for something to run correctly, stop me if i'm wrong but that seems a bit wrong to me.
g4 scott: "but when you refuse to hand over cash for something worthwile, you're hurting the company.."
i already did hand over cash, twice, and what i got was not worthwile, so why am i paying again, i supported apple, i paid, i went out, i upgraded i went with the new thing, i had no problem with this. i refuse to pay for the "fix" as i see it, it's not an upgrade, it fixes what was wrong with the os, sorry, but paying for a service pack is not right, and apple knows it, that's why they tried upgrading as many apps with it as possible, which nobody really cares about. if they charged for a seperate apps cd, that'd be fine, i'd be more willing to pay for new apps, then pay for a "fixed" os, that should have been fixed months ago, and should be free because i paid for osx, doesn't matter what version number you put after it, it's still x, and i already paid for it.
i already did hand over cash, twice, and what i got was not worthwile, so why am i paying again, i supported apple, i paid, i went out, i upgraded i went with the new thing, i had no problem with this. i refuse to pay for the "fix" as i see it, it's not an upgrade, it fixes what was wrong with the os, sorry, but paying for a service pack is not right, and apple knows it, that's why they tried upgrading as many apps with it as possible, which nobody really cares about. if they charged for a seperate apps cd, that'd be fine, i'd be more willing to pay for new apps, then pay for a "fixed" os, that should have been fixed months ago, and should be free because i paid for osx, doesn't matter what version number you put after it, it's still x, and i already paid for it.
education discount...
it's great to have a mother that works in the school system!!!
Since this would really be the first time I would pay for an OS update, I would be willing to pay $129 for it
it's great to have a mother that works in the school system!!!
Since this would really be the first time I would pay for an OS update, I would be willing to pay $129 for it
~G4SCOTT
You kidding , right?>!
I paid over $4000 for my Ti.
If thats not forking over the BUCKS for a company that I love then what the
HELL is!>?
Other laptops that are top of the line, do NOT cost this price.
So I HAVE paid my money to APPLE and I got a half done operating system.
I know that R&D cost money, thats why this damn Ti cost SO much, i am sure.
Thats why APPLE computers are the most expensive computers.
Thats why APPLE has billions in the bank of all our hard earned cash.
We all supported APPLE when they were going DOWN!
Its great to see kindness treated like weakness and used by yet another sly talker.
You kidding , right?>!
I paid over $4000 for my Ti.
If thats not forking over the BUCKS for a company that I love then what the
HELL is!>?
Other laptops that are top of the line, do NOT cost this price.
So I HAVE paid my money to APPLE and I got a half done operating system.
I know that R&D cost money, thats why this damn Ti cost SO much, i am sure.
Thats why APPLE computers are the most expensive computers.
Thats why APPLE has billions in the bank of all our hard earned cash.
We all supported APPLE when they were going DOWN!
Its great to see kindness treated like weakness and used by yet another sly talker.